Jim Talent v. Widow Carnahan: Talent is gaining ground (and leading), ZOGBY poll shows

St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | 08/23/2002 10:41 PM | Jo Mannies

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Republican nominee Jim Talent enters the final, 10-week stretch of the U.S. Senate campaign in a stronger position than the incumbent, Sen. Jean Carnahan, D-Mo., a new poll of Missouri voters shows.

Of 801 likely voters polled statewide, 47.1 percent supported Talent, compared to 46 percent for Carnahan. The margin of error is 3.5 percentage points, which makes the matchup "too close to call," said pollster John Zogby.

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Zogby International polled 801 registered voters statewide in Missouri for the poll, which was done Aug. 19-22. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

Overall opinion - Jim Talent

Very favorable 29.4%
Somewhat favorable 27.5%
Somewhat unfavorable 10.3%
Very unfavorable 14.1%
Not familiar16.8%
Not sure 1.9%
Total 100.0

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Overall opinion - Jean Carnahan

Very favorable 34.7%
Somewhat favorable 21.2%
Somewhat unfavorable 15.4%
Very unfavorable 22.5%
Not familiar 4.9%
Not sure 1.3%
Total 100.0

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If the election for the U.S. Senate were held today and the candidates were Democrat Jean Carnahan, Republican Jim Talent and Libertarian Tamara Millay, for whom would you vote?

Carnahan 46.0%
Talent 47.1%
Millay 2.2%
Other .5%
Not sure 4.1%
Total 100.0

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Who are you leaning toward right now?

Carnahan .4%
Talent 1.3%
Not sure 2.4%
Total 4.1%
No response or not sure 95.9%
Total 100.0

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Importance in determining your vote for Senate - Health care costs

Very important 70.5%
Somewhat important 22.4%
Not important 6.0%
Not sure 1.1%
Total 100.0

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Importance in determining your vote for Senate - The nation's security

Very important 79.7%
Somewhat important 17.8%
Not important 2.2%
Not sure .3%
Total 100.0

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Importance in determining your vote for Senate - The economy

Very important 80.5%
Somewhat important 18.1%
Not important 1.0%
Not sure .4%
Total 100.0

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Importance in determining your vote for Senate - Security of your pension or 401K

Very important 66.8%
Somewhat important 19.7%
Not important 10.9%
Not sure 2.5%
Total 100.0

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Importance in determining your vote for Senate - Prescription drug costs

Very important 65.6%
Somewhat important 23.8%
Not important 10.0%
Not sure .6%
Total 100.0

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18. Importance in determining your vote for Senate - U.S. foreign policy

Very important 62.7%
Somewhat important 28.4%
Not important 5.0%
Not sure 3.9%
Total 100.0

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Importance in determining your vote for Senate - ConcerNot sure about Social Security

Very important 66.7%
Somewhat important 24.9%
Not important 8.3%
Not sure .2%
Total 100.0

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Importance in determining your vote for Senate - Environmental issues

Very important 46.6%
Somewhat important 41.8%
Not important 11.0%
Not sure .7%
Total 100.0

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Importance in determining your vote for Senate - Abortion

Very important 47.7%
Somewhat important 30.5%
Not important 19.1%
Not sure 2.7%
Total 100.0

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Importance in determining your vote for Senate - Experience

Very important 49.3%
Somewhat important 38.9%
Not important 9.9%
Not sure 1.9%
Total 100.0

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Some damn good news!..Lets just keep it that way.

Ashland, Missouri

[Oldeconomybuyer]

Do not forget that Missouri is the "if you elect republicans more black churches will burn" state, and with the US Senate up for grabs the NAACP and other fringe democrat groups will pull out all the stops to keep the incompetent widow Carnahan in office.

[BlackRazor]

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[bluesagewoman]

Thanks for the info. It is starting to look up a little!

[lawgirl]

A "down with the Widow Carnahan" BUMP!!! OOHH I can't wait to vote!

[rface]

did you take the Missouri Bar Test?

[jackbill]

For Carnahan backers, the top issues were the economy, health care and prescription drugs. Those also were the top issues among the women polled.

Why am I not surprised? Gimme, gimme, gimme.

I want someone else to pay for my health care and my prescription drugs.

[MassMinuteman]

"What makes this particularly stunning is that we're capturing a Democratic-leaning mood in the rest of the country," Zogby said.

Zogby is always in a demoncrat-leaning mood.

--Cary, NC

[lawgirl]

Yep- I took the Bar on July 30- results out Sept. 20. Wish me luck!

[BlackRazor]

You just beat me to it! :)

[RightOnline]

Ya know what? This all just goes to prove how incredibly stupid voters can be.

What exactly are the Widow Carnahan's qualifications for the godd**ned United States Senate????

"Well, gee golly, I......um........washed my husband's drawers for decades, so I SURELY know how to help govern the most powerful nation on earth, donchaknow."

Bloody twits.

[o_zarkman44]

The one question the poll did not mention is how important the 2nd Amendment is to voters. For this voter, support will go 100% to Talent because his record on firearms rights is very positive. And because Gebhardt supports Carnahan, and Gebhardt is given a "F" grade by the National rifle Assn, we don't need birds of a feather flocking in St Louis.

[alfa6]

PING

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

[07055]

Will they keep the inner city St. Louis polls open until midnight again to help faciliate fraud?

[Oldeconomybuyer]

Senator Jean Carnahan (D)
Missouri
Democrat, Years of Service: 1

 

ACU Ratings for Senator Carnahan:
Year 2001	28
Year 2000
Lifetime	28

2001 Congressional Vote Breakdown:

• Ashcroft Nomination (Roll Call Vote No. 8 )
  2001-02-01
  Confirmation of President Bush's nomination of John Ashcroft of Missouri to be attorney general. ACU supported this nomination, and considers it a critical test of whether conservatives could be confirmed for executive nominations by the Senate and, ther
  ACU supported this bill.

  This bill was: supported
  The vote was: 58-45
  
  This Senator voted: Negative
  

• Capital Gains Tax Rate Reduction HR 1836 (Roll Call Vote No. 115 )
  2001-05-21
  Gregg (R-NH) motion to allow consideration of his amendment to the tax cut bill. His amendment would provide for a temporary reduction in the maximum capital gains rate from 20 percent to 15 percent, to stimulate the economy.
  ACU supported this bill.

  This bill was: defeated
  The vote was: 47-51
  
  This Senator voted: Negative
  

• School Vouchers S. 1 (Roll Call Vote No. 179 )
  2001-06-12
  Gregg (R-NH) amendment to the Elementary and Secondary Education Reauthorization bill that would create a demonstration program in 10 school districts to allow public school children to use federal funds in the form of vouchers to transfer to another publ
  ACU supported this bill.

  This bill was: defeated
  The vote was: 41-58
  
  This Senator voted: Negative
  
  

• Allow Limited Oil and Gas Development HR 2217 (Roll Call Vote No. 231 )
  2001-07-12
  Landrieu (D-LA) motion to permit oil and gas development in certain areas in the Gulf of Mexico.
  ACU supported this bill.

This bill was: adopted
The vote was: 67-33

This Senator voted: Negative

[LS]

A caller to Rush yesterday from Georgia said with GREAT confidence that Chambliss would beat Cleland.

I have said for a MONTH that to get ANYTHING done in the Senate, we need to win a NET of four seats. If we only have a one-vote majority . . . again . . . either Chaffee or McCain will bolt and we'll be back to square one. BUT, if we win by 3-4, the margin actually becomes 5-7 because Breaux and Miller will suddenly vote with the majority (and in line with most of their ideology, anyway).

As of now: Toricelli trails; Wellstone trails; Carnahan trails; and Johnson trails. Hutchison leads; Dole leads. The key races will be in New Hampshire and Georgia. If we break even on those two, it will make the "working" 4-6 vote majority we need.

[Pining_4_TX]

The poll shows that Carnahan's support from women is solid - almost 64 percent viewed her favorably, slightly above her approval rating among women in the earlier poll.

Among those supporters is Ruthann Hartzell of Imperial. Her reasons touched on the continued emotional power of the personal loss that landed Carnahan in the Senate.

"Senator Carnahan's husband and her son were killed in a plane accident, and my brother and dad were killed in a plane accident a few years before that," Hartzell said. "I feel like I have kind of a connection with her."

Why did we ever let women vote? (For the record, I'm female, but I'd gladly give up my vote to keep morons like Ruthann from voting.)

[stlrocket]

I used to live in that dismal state and that backwater city of St. Louis. The perpetual voter fraud and outright criminal behaviour was sickening!

I actually had Talent to my home for a fund rasier when he was in Congress. He is truly a decent man with the morals and ideals that are not only good for America - but essential if we are to stop this headlong rush into mediocrity!

This cartoon typifies voting in Missouri - a state that I will never miss!

WEEKEND AT BERNIES - ER -MELS!

[staytrue]

"We have a $2.1 million cash-on-hand advantage over him

We know how Talent got his money, up front Bush fundraisers. How did Carnahan get hers ? Apparently over 2.1 million and more than likely in the neighborhood of 5 million over a very short period of time (about 19 months or about 300 k per month).

[Helms]

"Zogby is always in a demoncrat-leaning mood."

And his brother, a mouthpiece for thge ongoing infiltration of ill meaning Arabs to this country.

Raleigh( North), NC

[donozark]

IMO BOTH brothers are bad! In the post-9/11 months, he would often try to justify the events of that blood-soaked day. Screw him, and that pig-faced mo Ibish that oft times appears with him. The brothers Zogby, as well as "Wimpy" Ibish are all supporters of the Trans-Asia Axis. Hope AG Ashcroft tails 'em all!

[donozark]

You got that right! I have an email from Talent when he was running for Governor that promises to sign the CCW Law if such was placed on his desk. Of course we shall now have him in the Senate, hopefully. Just can't believe ANY voter would cast a vote for Ma Carnahan.

[donozark]

I believe Evita gave Ma Carnahan ton$ of ca$h. Emilys list, etc. Usual leftist chronic-moronics.

[donozark]

And what piece of paradise do you occupy now, having abandoned us "po' folk" to the likes of Ma Carnahan, Gabby Gephart and St. Louis gangsters? You should return-we need your vote. Live votes count-if you are a Republican...

[lasereye]

Hutchison leads

What's your source? Is it outside the margin of error?

Carnahan trails

The poll shows they're tied. Also, couldn't the Dems pick up seats in OR and CO? I have this feeling they'll pick up at least one of those.

[Coop]

Hutchinson does have a small lead, but within the margin of error. I wouldn't consider Wellstone behind, from what I've seen. More like a dead heat, but definitely a vulnerable position. And Carnahan isn't behind. Just a day or two ago I reviewed all the polls, and she had a small edge. Given this poll, however, it's fair to say the MO race is also a dead heat.

TX is a race that the GOP needs to get busy with, and put some distance between Cornyn and Kirk.

[GraniteStateConservative]

Several senators like Byrd and Nelson (NE) are also pretty conservative on non-economic issues (judicial appointments).

[Antoninus]

Go Talent Go! The widow Carnahan election was an aberration. I don't think the pity vote works twice. Of course, her husband could be sending some of his minions from the land of the dead to St. Louis to vote for her. I hope the Talent people are on the lookout for vote fraud!

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Interesting that in these polls they never ask about concern for rising taxes and expanding government.

[Coop]

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[bimbo]

Another consideration: In a close race, the polls in St. Louis stay open until there is a sufficient margin for Carnahan.

[bimbo]

OOHH I can't wait to vote!

Then vote often - don't deny yourself.

[cactusSharp]

Paul Harvey should just flat out
say it...Talent is real right and here,Mrs
Carnahan(sp) is a shell of a ghost,unproven
herself in one of two state Federal Senate
positions...Which helps Missouri ? With
Dubya there 7 more years ?

[Wild Irish Rogue]

The widow looks and acts like an old lady, like somebody's grandmother. The vitality and gravitas issue is important-hope they have debates,because the contrast will be great between Talent and Grandma Carnahan.

[FairWitness]

But when men are factored in,, her overall approval rating has declined compared to the last poll.

Well I'm sure glad we (men) at least get "factored in" to the equation!

[VA Advogado]

Bump Good analysis.

[cousair]

Why do we, in this country when some male politician dies, put his wife in office?? Nine times out of ten, except in the case of Mary Bono, Rep. Ca., the wife doesn't know squat about her husband's job or how to run it, yet they get in. Whoever said you had to know anything to be elected to congress!!?

[Clemenza]

"Senator Carnahan's husband and her son were killed in a plane accident, and my brother and dad were killed in a plane accident a few years before that," Hartzell said. "I feel like I have kind of a connection with her."

Why did we ever let women vote? (For the record, I'm female, but I'd gladly give up my vote to keep morons like Ruthann from voting.)

Ah, the largely female symphathy vote. That is the reason Carolyn McCarthy occupies my (once Republican) childhood congressional district. Women (and girly-men) vote for her in droves because her husband was killed by "a gun toting black man." Needlees, to say, they also eat up her gun-grabbing posturing as well.

[~Kim4VRWC's~]

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[Gritty]

Carnahan beat Talent in one key area: She continues to enjoy stronger support from women.

I long for the days when silly women give up their sexist voting patterns and start voting for someone on more substantive grounds than the observation one candidate has a larger pair of b**bs!

The Widder Carnahan is a perfect example of this voting public malformity. So is Hitlery Clinton. And Barbara Boxcutter. And Diane Feinswine. And Babs "Tons-Of-Fun" Mikulski. And Patty "The Lightweight" Murray. And... the List goes on, and on, and on...

The other thing these b**bed bedwetters have going for them is they are Liberals, which is what really makes most of them attractive as most of them fail miserably on the "looks" side. Liberalism is the only thing that saves them from certain obscurity as the local harpy from whom normal men, intelligent women and most children usually flee. Liberalism also makes them very attractive to the girly-men (kudos to Ann Coulter for the word!) who periodically come out of the closet to vote for them in droves. They not only vote for them because of their sex, which is what these pitiful men secretly identify with, but also because of their (lack of) minds - which they also identify with - and their emotional, prevaricating words, which are miles long and millimeters deep.

In a saner, more enlightened and honorable Republic, the Widder Carnahan would have been history long ago - like November, 2000. The fact she isn't tells us more about the quality of our political process and the sensibility of a large, nearly majority segment of our gawd-awful fellow citizenry (some living, some dead but all mostly brain-dead) who somehow manage to find their way to the voting booths every few years - or at least get their votes cast there by means fair or foul!

A pox on these sexmongers, I say,... and on all those who fawn on them for their least desireable attributes!

[07055]

Of course, her husband could be sending some of his minions from the land of the dead to St. Louis to vote for her.

Well, they sure came through for him last time, didn't they?

He must have promised them brand new harps---or maybe new pitchforks.

[Coop]

BTTT

[RAT Patrol]

I love this "Widow" stuff.

[floriduh voter]

Phikap, see post 16. By the way, does anyone know how freeper Jay Wolfe is doing in New Jersey?

[Pining_4_TX]

Women (and girly-men) vote for her in droves because her husband was killed by "a gun toting black man." Needlees, to say, they also eat up her gun-grabbing posturing as well.

What? No black-man-grabbing posturing to go with it? :)

[afuturegovernor]

Libertarian Tamara Millay 2.2%

Can you image the rath that will (and should) come down on this lady if her stupid 2 percent candidacy cost the Republican Party control of the Senate and gives Daschele the power to shape of the Supreme Court. Why couldn't a wacko Green Party candidate have ran in this race.

[KQQL]

hmmmm interesting RAT leaning Zogby has her behind....

I wonder what gives, I thought everyone loved Da Widow...

----("What makes this particularly stunning is that we're capturing a Democratic-leaning mood in the rest of the country," Zogby said. )----

Oh really ZOGGGGGGBY !

[KQQL]

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[Torie]

I must admit this is a bit of a suprise. But than only one of the candidates has "talent" to really be competent and effective in such a high office IMO. That is not meant to be a partisan statement. :)

[deadmenvote]

I will rise from my coffin and vote several times.