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FREEP NEA 1-202-822-7200 Lesson plans for 9/11 Blame America but don't blame terrorists are out
NEA ^ | August 26, 2002 | TheEagleHasLanded

Posted on 08/25/2002 10:37:14 PM PDT by TheEaglehasLanded

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To: Mark Felton
Great post. I'll keep my eye out for responses and let you know. These people can get so hostile.
41 posted on 08/27/2002 8:14:49 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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"These people can get so hostile."

Yes, I know. I fought with them in the mid-1990's when we were pushing Back-to-Basics. As long as the School Board members are pro-NEA they are completely unaccountable to anybody.

School districts have become so large that to run for School Board member requires a seriously funded campaign organization. The budgets of large school districts are often larger than the budgets of the local cities. Thus these seats require the support of the NEA who provide the campaign organization. The average mom and pop have little hope.

42 posted on 08/27/2002 10:05:40 AM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: hsmomx3
"These people can get so hostile."

Yes, I know. I fought with them in the mid-1990's when we were pushing Back-to-Basics. As long as the School Board members are pro-NEA they are completely unaccountable to anybody.

School districts have become so large that to run for School Board member requires a seriously funded campaign organization. The budgets of large school districts are often larger than the budgets of the local cities. Thus these seats require the support of the NEA who provide the campaign organization. The average mom and pop have little hope.

43 posted on 08/27/2002 10:06:29 AM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: Mark Felton
I posted a new article at the DVUSD forum called "Sept. 11: What our children need to know". This is a report by the Fordham Foundation which takes an anti-NEA pro-patriotic approach for teachers. I included links. Please check it out. I used "pursue excellence" as my author name.

Go here to learn about the report (I found it on Freerepublic) at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741066/posts

44 posted on 08/29/2002 8:02:07 AM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: hsmomx3; summer
I posted a new article at the DVUSD forum called "Sept. 11: What our children need to know". This is a report by the Fordham Foundation which takes an counter-NEA pro-patriotic approach for teachers. I included links. Please check it out. I used "pursue excellence" as my author name.


Go here to learn about the report (I found it on Freerepublic) at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741066/posts
45 posted on 08/29/2002 8:17:10 AM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: Mark Felton
Great post. Now let's see how they react to it. I noticed they kept real quiet with regard to your other post, which I thought was excellent! Here are some responses I have recently received at the site.

"I would like to correct you. In DV there are many, many, many EXCELLENT teachers. If you are so impressed with the education of our Founding Fathers, without the public school system, I can only assume you are giving your children the "best" also--without the public school system. You know, us teachers already get beat up pretty good by the media. If you want to teacher bash, please do it somewhere else. Teacher bashing is not welcome here. Take a hike(literally). Do you get my drift?"

This is my response to the above post I wrote: "I know that there are some good teachers but this notion that the NEA is like a "savior" is nauseating.

About the money issue. I have no say whatsoever as to how the schools spend "my" money and neither do you. If it wasn't for taxpayers, then there would be no schools, no teachers, etc. I do find it fascinating that many of our Founding Fathers received an excellent education outside of a classroom setting. Their situation was unique and we should all learn from it. Latin, literature, proper writing skills, etc. Necessity, as you call it, just does not cut it. It's like making a deal with the devil. Read the post up above by someone who posted about the company one keeps."

And I also had this to say:

"I merely mentioned the Founding Fathers because I feel that EVERYONE can learn so much from them, the way they learned, what they were taught, and how they succeeded in their lives.

It's an amazing story.

Sorry if you disagree but since many of our Founders had no public schooling to speak of, the thought of what jobs they held, and the type of education they received speaks volumes. Compare that to the education of our kids today and how many are failing miserably.

Are today's schoolkids learning Latin, literature, proper history? Heck, some school districts have eliminated spelling altogether!

As for teacher bashing, I have not done that. I have been critical of the NEA. Go back and reread my posts."

46 posted on 08/29/2002 9:52:30 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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sounds good. I've found that there are a lot of good teachers but they are caught up in the institutional culture that is foisted upon the schools by the elite academic socialists (NEA, universities etc..)

I try to complement the teachers where possible and then show them how their personal views conflict with the socialists. This then raises the questions about why they tolerate such nonsense.

For instance, the one teacher talked about all the abuse they take from the media. You can point out that they took abuse over the 9/11 stuff because of the NEA, not because of them personally. It is the NEA that is abusing them.

If kids are being socially promoted that is not the teachers that is the school board. Thus the school board is abusing the teachers.

If the kids are being taught to wear condoms it is not because of the teachers it is because of the State Board of Education etc etc. So the State is causing the teachers to be abused.

The more we can do to help define the core of the problem and distinguish the teachers from the problem then the sooner the teachers will see the light and start to demand action and take action. How much more abuse do they want??

47 posted on 08/29/2002 11:02:50 AM PDT by Mark Felton
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BTW: If you make a post and there is no response then that is good. Do not assume they are not listening. Teachers who have conservative traditional views are AFRAID to speak out. They NEED the parents to speak up and create an environment where they can feel more secure voicing their conservative views.

Few teachers will jeopardize their livelihood for the sake of speaking out on their political views. Yet, that is exactly what they face.

Schools will not force out teachers for being poor teachers, but they DO force out teachers for having the "wrong" political views.

48 posted on 08/29/2002 11:10:29 AM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: hsmomx3
I just made post to the "take a hike" thread. My name was "pursue excellence".
49 posted on 08/29/2002 11:30:13 AM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: Mark Felton
Thanks!! I'll have to check it out.

I wonder how many teachers actually support the NEA? From what I have read, the district office reads that website. The moderator of that board is an activist/parent.

50 posted on 08/29/2002 12:10:41 PM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: Mark Felton
Thanks for the info.
51 posted on 08/29/2002 3:10:39 PM PDT by summer
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