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BadJoe/JimRob Dispute Ended - Free Republic Train Wreck Derailed
Free Republic | August 26, 2002 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/26/2002 7:21:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Most of you know that a battle has been raging over the last several weeks between me and BadJoe regarding some of our moderating policies. Looked pretty bad there for awhile. Joe was going to resign from Free Republic and there was even a dust up regarding the monthly donors and how the records would be turned over to a new credit card service.

I am happy to report that today that battle has officially ended and Free Republic may have avoided being fatally damaged in a disastrous train wreck. As it is, the only losses suffered were a few black eyes and a lost ear or two. Fractures and abrasions were suffered, but no major bones broken or organs punctured. Hurt feelings, bruised egos, dampened spirits, damaged bodies are now all on the mend. A satisfactory agreement has been reached between all warring parties as to how we will continue forward in our fight for Freedom.

Summary of today's agreement between BadJoe and JimRob:

  1. Jim to reinstate the observer program with between 2-4 members of his choosing. Joe may suggest nominees.

  2. Jim to put up a post to this effect, including his boilerplate guideline to the mods.

  3. Jim will work with John on writing a subroutine or program that lists the banned comments, banned threads and names of banishees, that Joe will have access to.

  4. Joe will process the Sept fundraiser cc's, and work with Jim and whomever is taking over the program to effect a smooth transition. Joe will continue to work on the fundraisers as a volunteer but will not run the program.

We will be working on a moderator policy manual (the boilerplate guidelines) and will post it as soon as completed. For now, I will say that we do not want racist material, anti-Semitism, religion bashing, tin-foil hat material, leftist propaganda (used to smear or bash conservatives), profanity, vulgarity, pornography, excessive flaming, insults or feuds, liberals, leftists, marxists, etc., are generally not welcome as are multiple screen names, disruptors, anti-FReepers or returning bannees.

Said material may be deleted as discovered or reported and posters may be warned, suspended or banned depending on severity.

But the standing moderator policy is to go as easy as possible on the posters. Many flame wars and insults and even some minor violations of other rules may sometimes be ignored. It depends entirely on the situation and the posters involved. Posters with unclean hands might as well avoid using the abuse button. We do not want to wade through hundreds of posts looking for who is at fault. We do not have time for it and do not want to act as nannies anyway. The general rule of thumb for a moderator is to always give the poster the benefit of the doubt. If there is any doubt, then we do not delete and do not ban. I'd rather bend the rules than stifle the debate. And now that we have a smokeybackroom forum, we'll suggest that people take their feuds and flame wars there and unless it gets too nasty the moderators will look the other way.

Believe it or not we do not like deleting or banning. We want to attract as many new people as we possibly can, but we also want to run a clean board. And we want to advance our conservative causes while not assisting the leftists propaganda artists in their dirty work.

I know this does not cover everything, but we'll be posting more as we can.

Also, we are in the process of contracting with one of the major nationwide credit card processing companies. Joe has been processing these for us for the last several years, but the job has gotten to be a huge task and a burden on him. Joe will assist us in making as smooth a transition as possible to the new service.

As always, I thank all of you from the bottom of my heart and we are all very appreciative of your support and understanding. I'm sorry for this recent turmoil and hope it is all behind us and we can get on with our FReeping!

God bless you all and God bless America!

Jim


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1 posted on 08/26/2002 7:21:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
btttttttt
May it all work out for a better FR!
2 posted on 08/26/2002 7:24:16 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Jim Robinson
Also, John is already at work devising a new moderator observer forum and new moderator action reports and summaries for Joe and others.
3 posted on 08/26/2002 7:25:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, if you avoided a train wreck and continue to maintain a positive balance sheet, you are doing better than Amtrack :- )
4 posted on 08/26/2002 7:26:09 PM PDT by Freeper 007
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To: OneidaM
Ping for some good news. :)
5 posted on 08/26/2002 7:26:32 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Jim Robinson
Good to see that everyone can be "adults" and work things out to mutual satisfaction.
6 posted on 08/26/2002 7:26:40 PM PDT by looney tune
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To: Jim Robinson
Let's hope that with the new guidelines for mods, freepers will also take the time to review forum rules and refrain from the politics of personal destruction. FR is only as good as we make it.
7 posted on 08/26/2002 7:26:44 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Jim Robinson
God Bless You Jim Robinson!
NeverGore :^)
8 posted on 08/26/2002 7:26:56 PM PDT by nevergore
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To: Utah Girl
Thanks for the ping K!!!
9 posted on 08/26/2002 7:28:15 PM PDT by Neets
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To: Jim Robinson; BADJOE
1.Jim to reinstate the observer program with between 2-4 members of his choosing. Joe may suggest nominees.

Thanks for the good news, Jim, but could you amplify point #1 as I am not familiar with the observer program. Thanks.

10 posted on 08/26/2002 7:28:15 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: rintense
BTTT
11 posted on 08/26/2002 7:30:52 PM PDT by cibco
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To: Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; RikaStrom; ...
BUMP
12 posted on 08/26/2002 7:31:12 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Jim Robinson
Great news, Jim! Thanks!
13 posted on 08/26/2002 7:31:41 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: Jim Robinson
Good ^5

14 posted on 08/26/2002 7:32:06 PM PDT by amom
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To: OneidaM; Utah Girl
Oh, I get now, you two are the evil moderators. Just kidding, someone had to say that, LOL. Thank you Jim, BADJOE, and everyone who keeps this site running! God Bless!
15 posted on 08/26/2002 7:32:54 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Jim Robinson
Awwww...ain't that nice? Now why don't you guys give each other a biiig kiss...:-)

Seriously...good job!
16 posted on 08/26/2002 7:33:19 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks Jim,

I love the Freepers, and the site, and have been very upset at all the conflict.

Now lets go after the real enemy!

17 posted on 08/26/2002 7:33:50 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Jim Robinson; BADJOE
This goes a long way to healing the breach among many compatriots.

Thanks, BadJoe and Jim, for restoring a measure of faith we have in Free Republic. Here is our prayer that this salve works deep.

18 posted on 08/26/2002 7:34:38 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Registered
Ping!
19 posted on 08/26/2002 7:35:01 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Jim Robinson; BADJOE
Hallelujah!

My hope is that we can return to the task of fighting the liberals rather than each other (and I'm referring to much more than just the recent misunderstanding between the two of you). Lately it seems that FR has fallen prey to those whose motto is Divide and Conquer ..... we must not let them do that to us! Our mission is much too important!

God bless you both!

20 posted on 08/26/2002 7:35:20 PM PDT by kayak
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To: Jim Robinson

"I swear on all that anti-freeping stands for - the next time, FR will go 404 - I promise!"


21 posted on 08/26/2002 7:35:24 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Jim Robinson
>>>tin-foil hat material<<<

Please define this statement. Thanks.

22 posted on 08/26/2002 7:35:40 PM PDT by fone
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To: Jim Robinson
A big Good News, BUMP!
23 posted on 08/26/2002 7:35:48 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for the FreeRepublic, Jim! You're the best! I'm glad y'all got it sorted out. BadJoe has always been a gentleman toward me.
24 posted on 08/26/2002 7:36:41 PM PDT by JamesWilson
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To: Fred Mertz
Shortly after we started our moderator program last year, there were several discussions regarding perceived unfairness in some of the moderator actions. IronJack was one of the critics of the program. I decided to give him "observer" status over the moderator panel. A few months ago I added BadJoe as an observer. Joe took offense at some of our actions and this eventually led to our recent disagreement. After it blew up, I suspended the observer program. We've now reached an agreement as to how to continue onward and that includes reinstating and expanding the observer program. It is in process now.
25 posted on 08/26/2002 7:36:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
WONDERFUL news Jim! Simply WONDERFUL!
26 posted on 08/26/2002 7:36:55 PM PDT by Bigun
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To: Jim Robinson
For now, I will say that we do not want racist material, anti-Semitism, religion bashing, tin-foil hat material, leftist propaganda (used to smear or bash conservatives), profanity, vulgarity, pornography, excessive flaming, insults or feuds, liberals, leftists, marxists, etc., are generally not welcome as are multiple screen names, disruptors, anti-FReepers or returning bannees. Can we still be intolerant of the intolerant? You know, for the children.... hehe
27 posted on 08/26/2002 7:37:02 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Jim Robinson
God bless you Jim. Keep up the great work.
28 posted on 08/26/2002 7:37:46 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Jim Robinson
BT, Jim. Before you, we weren't Freepers -- just a bunch of disconnected good guys lacking a public forum to hash out our views. Thank you for changing that...
29 posted on 08/26/2002 7:38:22 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for the update and most of all THANK YOU for a great board and being so tolerant...
30 posted on 08/26/2002 7:39:46 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Jim Robinson
JimRob, this is great news! Each and every Freeper is so very important and I am glad that something was worked out.

When I challenged you about 3 weeks ago, I fully expected to be banned. Thankfully, I was not and that expression of mercy was most appreciated.

Sir, I fully respect your right to run this website in any way that you wish. That has never been in question, and you have performed a difficult job extreamly well over the years.

If I get upset because some people have been banned, it is because Freepers have become family to me. And to loose a dear family member that I have learned to love and respect, it is not something that I accept lightly.

So JimRob, please excuse me for challenging you a few weeks ago. It was only done because Freepers are a diverse group and each of the opinions are important to me. By listening to all sides of an argument, I can make my choice out of knowledge.

31 posted on 08/26/2002 7:40:26 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for all you do!
32 posted on 08/26/2002 7:40:27 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: Dakmar; Utah Girl; Jim Robinson
Oh?? So you got the message on the train-wreck thread I am an AM did you?? Funny thing tho, whenever I try to pull a post or ban someone, I keep getting error messages....LOL.

And then when I tell Jim about it, he is so intent on keeping my identity a secret he acts as if he has no clue of what I am talking about.

33 posted on 08/26/2002 7:40:56 PM PDT by Neets
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To: All
Free Republic how it looked in 1997, 98, 99...
34 posted on 08/26/2002 7:41:19 PM PDT by fone
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To: Jim Robinson; BADJOE
Having met you both, I'm glad you have settled things. You are both very special people and FR is a very special place. God Bless you both!!
35 posted on 08/26/2002 7:41:19 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: fone
Example tin-foil hat material: "Our government was in on a plot to hijack airliners full of people and crash them into the WTC, the Pentagon, and other government targets so that Bush could declare war on Afghanistan and other ME countries. It's all about oil and global power." That is in my opinion tin-foil hat material. Anyone who posts anything resembling this b/s will be nuked on sight.

36 posted on 08/26/2002 7:41:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

That was sure a close call. Could have easily looked like this

37 posted on 08/26/2002 7:43:08 PM PDT by JZoback
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, okay then. Your sight and your rules. Been around waaay too long to argue with the powers that be. FRegards
38 posted on 08/26/2002 7:43:18 PM PDT by fone
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim will work with John on writing a subroutine or program that lists the banned comments, banned threads and names of banishees, that Joe will have access to.

Now I have no idea how many 'abuse' reports get generated on a daily basis, so I apologise in advance if this suggestion is just not feasible..

.. but if the intent is to 'observe' the moderators, then wouldn't it be a good idea for the observers to have access to abuse reports that did not result in post-deletions/bannings/etc? IMO, that would give them a better idea of how fairly (or not) the moderators are applying their judgement to various situations.

Just a thought.

39 posted on 08/26/2002 7:44:59 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: mercy; illstillbe
Salut!!!
40 posted on 08/26/2002 7:45:00 PM PDT by Neets
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To: BADJOE
See #26!

;>)

41 posted on 08/26/2002 7:45:49 PM PDT by Bigun
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To: Jim Robinson
\o/--->:)
42 posted on 08/26/2002 7:46:55 PM PDT by swheats
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To: Jim Robinson; BADJOE

BadJoe: You better close your mouth before you catch some flys.

....or is that Casey Jones driving that train.

43 posted on 08/26/2002 7:47:03 PM PDT by JZoback
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To: Jim Robinson
Never let the inmates help run the asylum.
44 posted on 08/26/2002 7:48:02 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Jim Robinson; dixie sass; Memother; chesty_puller; mhking; Japedo; madfly; Snow Bunny; FallGuy; ...
A great news ping

Thanx jim and joe

45 posted on 08/26/2002 7:48:24 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Jim Robinson; BADJOE
All I can say is - Thank goodness.

I followed it because I care, but refused to get into the fracas.

God Bless FR and god Bles America

46 posted on 08/26/2002 7:49:51 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: JZoback
Now THAT is one strange-looking wreck.
47 posted on 08/26/2002 7:53:17 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Jim Robinson




Psalm 122 :8 For the sake of my brothers and friends, I will say, "Peace be within you."

48 posted on 08/26/2002 7:54:48 PM PDT by lsee
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To: mykdsmom; Lee'sGhost; KOZ.; borntodiefree; azhenfud; callisto; Overtaxed; ianync; Howlin; goosie; ..
Ping for NC Freepers.
49 posted on 08/26/2002 7:54:59 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Jim Robinson; BADJOE
This is great news...

Big caring bump....
50 posted on 08/26/2002 7:55:25 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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