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Mob beheads nun in Bagdad
UPI | 8/27/02 | UWE SIEMON-NETTO

Posted on 08/27/2002 7:30:54 PM PDT by kattracks

WASHINGTON, Aug 27, 2002 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- A nun belonging to Iraq's Christian minority that still speaks a dialect of Aramaic, the language of Jesus, was found beheaded in Baghdad, the U.S.-based Chaldean News Agency reported Tuesday.

CNA blamed "Muslim terrorists" for this murder of Sister Cecilia Hanna, 70. According to this wire service of Iraq's Christian exiles, she "was knifed down savagely and her head was severed from the rest of her body by a group of thugs while she was staying in the Chaldean monastery located in Palestine Street in Baghdad."

When asked about this report, a State Department spokeswoman told United Press International Tuesday, "We are not aware of this case."

Shortly after the start of the U.S. war on terrorism, Albert Yelda, a London-based Iraqi opposition leader, had warned that Iraq's ancient Christian community would be made a whipping boy for this conflict.

Yelda told UPI at the time that Iraq's Christians "no longer dare to wear their traditional crosses. They are being called crusaders. They do not receive food rations. They are being told, 'Ask the Americans to feed you. You have no business being here.'"

In an interview, Bishop Ibrahim N. Ibrahim of the Chaldean Church's Eastern diocese in the U.S. referred UPI to the CNA story Tuesday but denied that Christians in Iraq were being singled out for persecution.

However, CNA now ranks Sister Cecilia Hanna among the long line of martyrs in present-day Iraq, whose Christians are the descendants of one of the oldest known civilizations -- Mesopotamia. Collectively, these Christians are known of Assyrians.

Assyians say they were the first nation to adopt Christianity as state religion in 179 AD, more than 100 years before Armenia, which prides itself with being the first Christianized country. The Assyrians also claim were the ones to have built the first Christian churches and to have been the first to translate the New Testament from Greek into their vernacular, which still resembles the language of Christ.

The Chaldean Church, to which the murdered Sacred Heart of Jesus nun belonged, is in union with the Vatican and has approximately one million members, half of whom still live in Iraq, while the rest is spread around the world, Bishop Ibrahim said.

Another 300,000 to 500,000 Assyrian Christians belong to the venerable Church of the East. This denomination was once condemned as heretical because it followed the teachings of Nestorius, the 5th-century bishop of Constantinople, who taught that the Virgin Mary was not the "theodokos," or mother of God, but simply the mother of Jesus Christ.

Nestorian missionaries were the first the reach Mongolia, China and Japan in the 8th century. However, in the 16th century, a segment of the Nestorian Church recognized the Pope and united with Rome, which persecuted the remaining Nestorians for centuries, especially in India.

"Today, our two churches are very close," Bishop Ibrahim said. While not in full communion, they practice Eucharistic hospitality under certain circumstances. In other words, they commune each other's members if they have no church of their own denomination to go to.

"Our liturgies are very similar," Ibrahim explained. "Assyrian services consist of 99 percent liturgy with lots of incense," Yelda said. The difference is that while the Chaldeans allow icons in their churches, the Nestorian sanctuaries are as stark as synagogues. But for a simple cross above the altar, nothing adorns them.

There are other parallels between the Nestorians and the Jews as well. Nestorians call their priest "rabi" (teacher), and like orthodox Jews they eschew mixed marriages. "We want to preserve a Christian people in our country," Yelda explained.

While Bishop Ibrahim allowed that "Christians like all others suffer from the turmoil in Iraq, but are not targeted for persecution," the Chaldean News Service accused Saddam Hussein's government of appeasing "the rising tide of Muslim fanaticism."

This movement, it said, "has at its final goal not only the murder or the complete subjugation of non-Muslims but all those who do not measure up to its doctrine of terror and hatred."

According to Albert Yelda, Saddam Hussein, too, has set out to destroy the venerable Assyrian culture, "not out of any Muslim convictions but because, like every tyrant, he hates minorities."

Yelda described how Saddam had banned the Assyrians' cultural clubs, where their literary language was kept alive. "Saddam had hundreds of Assyrian villages razed, including recently a 2nd-century church."

Yelda also accused Saddam's son, Uday, of raping and killing an Assyrian woman and then making this act public knowledge.

As for the repression of Iraqi Christians in the name of Islam, Yelda said it ran counter the stated wish of the Prophet Mohammed, who was so impressed by the Assyrians' knowledge of medicine and sciences that he issued a Firman, or letter of protection, for them.

The Firman disappeared without trace over 150 years ago.

By UWE SIEMON-NETTO, UPI Religion Correspondent

Copyright 2002 by United Press International.






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1 posted on 08/27/2002 7:30:54 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
I can't even comment on this. Sister Cicilia, God bless you as I know he will. We will pray for you.
2 posted on 08/27/2002 7:34:34 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: kattracks
Islam=peace
3 posted on 08/27/2002 7:35:49 PM PDT by newsperson999
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To: kattracks
The sooner we start killing Iraqis, the better.

L

4 posted on 08/27/2002 7:36:35 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: Bahbah
That is so sad. She deserves sainthood.
5 posted on 08/27/2002 7:36:39 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: kattracks
This is merely an observation. As a non-Christian, I find that Protestants at FR are quite aware that Islam exists to wipe out Christianity, yet Catholic Freepers more or less ignore this fact, because it's an ugly one.

Yeah - I know I'm generalizing - I don't need to be reminded.

6 posted on 08/27/2002 7:36:54 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: kattracks
Yeah, Iraq is a "secular" nation. Sure.

Who the hell are they trying to kid?

7 posted on 08/27/2002 7:37:44 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: kattracks
This is very sad to hear. But there's also some amazing religious history in this article I knew nothing about. (spoke a dialect of Aramaic? whoa...) Nice post.
8 posted on 08/27/2002 7:38:21 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: NYer
I think you posted a report on Sr. Cecilia the other day. If possible, could you post her picture on this thread? She had one of the kindest faces I have ever seen.
9 posted on 08/27/2002 7:39:48 PM PDT by livius
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To: kattracks
Amazing article. Thanks for posting this. Do you possibly have a url? Many thanks in advance...
10 posted on 08/27/2002 7:40:00 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: kattracks
It must make these tough guys feel real brave beheading a defenseless nun.
11 posted on 08/27/2002 7:43:16 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: kattracks
I refused to believe this is true, because (a) President Bush told us last year that Islam was a peaceful religion and (b) President Bush told us that the people of Iraq deserve freedom.

Therefore, they can't possibly have done something like this.

/sarcasm

12 posted on 08/27/2002 7:43:54 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: kattracks; knighthawk
My, my. It appears that the molsems didn't respect her religion. Imagine that. How frightfully intolerant of them. They being the religion of peace, love, tolerance, kindness, generosity, goodness, properity, health, happiness, and so on and so forth, after all.
13 posted on 08/27/2002 7:43:57 PM PDT by neutrino
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To: kattracks
I hope this story is included in the North Carolina's understanding of Islam.
14 posted on 08/27/2002 7:47:15 PM PDT by Russell Scott
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To: kattracks
Nobody likes my idea but here it is:

For every Christian head these bastards cut off, we cut off 100.

The backward pigs better pray to their perverted moon god that Christians don't give them the "holy war" they keep begging for. If we ever did get a hair up their ass and give it to them it would be the end of them and their disgusting "religion of peace".


15 posted on 08/27/2002 7:47:44 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Brian Allen
,,, surprised?
16 posted on 08/27/2002 7:48:10 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Senator Pardek
Im Catholic and I am fully aware what Islam means to Christians....
17 posted on 08/27/2002 7:50:38 PM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: Aliska
Here is a photo of Sister:

The moslems have been persecuting, torturing, and murdering the asyrian Christians [church of antioch] in norther Iraw for at least 40 years. There seems to be no end to it either.

18 posted on 08/27/2002 7:50:40 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: kattracks
Thank you for posting this,Eternal rest,Sister pray for us.
19 posted on 08/27/2002 7:50:45 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Senator Pardek
OK, good enough. I won't remind you.
20 posted on 08/27/2002 7:51:17 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: kattracks
It's really sad to see the hatefilled intolerance of Muslims toward Christians...but I believe the hell they are raising here on earth is simply a preview of the place their false religion is leading them.
These are some miserable people.
21 posted on 08/27/2002 7:52:17 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: M. Thatcher
Link
22 posted on 08/27/2002 7:52:58 PM PDT by michigander
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To: Senator Pardek
Protestants at FR are quite aware that Islam exists to wipe out Christianity, yet Catholic Freepers more or less ignore this fact

Some of us see it, trust me.

23 posted on 08/27/2002 7:53:43 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: JMJ333
Thank you. She has the face of an angel. May she have eternal happiness.
24 posted on 08/27/2002 7:54:04 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: michigander
Thanks so much!
25 posted on 08/27/2002 7:54:31 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: AAABEST
She wouldn't have wanted that.
26 posted on 08/27/2002 7:55:38 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: JMJ333
The dear sister is resting comfortably now, I'm sure. As for the unspeakable vermin who did this...I can't imaging that Allah is proud of such cowardly swine.
27 posted on 08/27/2002 7:56:43 PM PDT by Scully
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To: Senator Pardek; Askel5; ELS; patent
Not this Catholic.
28 posted on 08/27/2002 7:57:52 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: kattracks
God grant President Bush the wisdom to know what to do and WHEN to do it. Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.
29 posted on 08/27/2002 7:59:34 PM PDT by teletech
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To: Aliska
You're welcome. She does have a sweet face. I take comfort in the fact that her martyrdom perhaps one souls for Christ. Viva Christo Rey!
30 posted on 08/27/2002 8:01:43 PM PDT by JMJ333
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whoops...one=won
31 posted on 08/27/2002 8:02:16 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: kattracks
once condemned as heretical because it followed the teachings of Nestorius, the 5th-century bishop of Constantinople, who taught that the Virgin Mary was not the "theodokos," or mother of God, but simply the mother of Jesus Christ.

interesting how the correct Biblical interpretation was considered heretical ...
32 posted on 08/27/2002 8:03:33 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: AAABEST
For every Christian head these bastards cut off, we cut off 100.

I'm all for it. Islam must be crushed.

33 posted on 08/27/2002 8:04:29 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: AAABEST; Senator Pardek
AABEST, a lot of Christians in the Middle East, especially heretical sects like the Nestorians, have a huge resentment about crusaders. Even the ones who are in union with Rome, consider themselves survivers of earlier attempts at genocide. Read what the article says about centuries of persecution.

In the article on this case yesterday, the Chaldean church complained bitterly about earlier martyrdoms, most especially those by the Kurds and Turks during what is termed the "Armenian genocide." Remember that the Kurds and Turks are our allies during the current struggle in Iraq. If our allies reach central Iraq (I trust they wont make to the south) then the Chaldeans had better hang on to their hats. Vengance time. The Christians in Iraq are often accused of being quislings for Hussein, because certain Christians hold high office in Baath party. Our allies will, if they can, finish the whole community off, with weapons provided by the Western alliance. Be aware that this is what you are supporting in Iraq.
34 posted on 08/27/2002 8:05:44 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: JMJ333; Senator Pardek
Thanks for posting this picture. I just pinged NYer for it - an article was posted by NYer about this yesterday.

This woman has such a kind face.

BTW, to our Protestant friends, Catholics are indeed upset about things like this. The majority of Christians who have been driven out of the Middle East have been Catholics of one kind or another (Maronites, etc.). When I lived in San Francisco, almost all of the corner grocery stores were owned by (Catholic) Christians from Ramallah - who had been driven out by the Palestinian Muslims.

I would suspect that the Vatican is attempting to be diplomatic in order to prevent the remaining minority from meeting a fate similar to Sister Cecilia's. That said, I too would like to see a more aggressive stance from Rome, because I think it would offer some protection to Christians in what are now Muslim lands.
35 posted on 08/27/2002 8:06:10 PM PDT by livius
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To: JMJ333
She looks like she never lost her innocence. I don't mean that in a carnal way; I mean in a spiritual way.
36 posted on 08/27/2002 8:07:11 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Centurion2000
I'm all for it. Islam must be crushed.

ISLAM: the largest, fastest-growing, most influential religion the world will never miss. May it disappear soon. Very soon.

37 posted on 08/27/2002 8:07:30 PM PDT by MarineDad
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To: Bobby777
On who's authority was Nestorian correct in his "interpretation" of scripture?

Memorandom on the IC

38 posted on 08/27/2002 8:10:03 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Senator Pardek
Nope. Count me as Catholic and ready for yet another (and hopefully FINAL) Crusade against the fundy Islamics.,p> For the good sister:
Romans 8
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
   "For your sake we face death all day long;
       we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."[1] 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
39 posted on 08/27/2002 8:12:00 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Bobby777
interesting how the correct Biblical interpretation was considered heretical ...

This article did not make some things clear. The Nestorian heresy taught that Mary was not the mother of God, because they did not believe that Jesus was God. The Nestorian heresy gave rise to Arianism, which taught that Jesus was just a man and a prophet, which is similar to what the Moslems teach about Jesus. Another way to put this is that the Arians and the Nestorians rejected the Nicene Creed. If you beliefe that correct Biblical interpretation requires the rejection of the Nicene Creed, you are in a rather small group.

40 posted on 08/27/2002 8:12:15 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: kattracks
Well this was fascinating.I belive there are close to half a million Chrisitans myrtyred every year. And there is very little press coverage.I had no idea of this particular branch of Christianity, let alone that there was a group still speaking Aramaic.
41 posted on 08/27/2002 8:13:01 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Bobby777
"the correct Biblical interpretation was considered heretical ... " I won't get into a argument about that (grin!) but, yes, I must say that it does seem odd that anyone would want to make this point of interpretation a capital offense. I am sure that the Virgin Mary never have supported the notion that a single blow be struck in her name.

Also, the Nestorians really were on strong grounds, according to Holy Scripture, in refusing to call their clergy Father. Really, if one reads the sacred texts, there it is - "call no man your father, except He who is in heaven ... " etc. But this, also, was deemed a dangerous heresy.
42 posted on 08/27/2002 8:13:17 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: MarineDad
ISLAM: the largest, fastest-growing, most influential religion the world will never miss. May it disappear soon. Very soon.

Well said, Semper Fi.

43 posted on 08/27/2002 8:13:54 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: JMJ333
ummm, since the God of Israel exists in the New Testament LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGG before Mary, Mary is not the "mother of God" ... she was the chosen Earthly vessel by which Jesus Christ came to Earth ... the Scripture is explicitly clear ...
44 posted on 08/27/2002 8:13:54 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: JMJ333
We never hear these persecuted Christians referred to as martyrs, instead that term is used for homicide bombers blowing up school buses. It's easy to forget that Christians are now at least as persecuted as jews throughout the world. Gotta love that religion of peace.
45 posted on 08/27/2002 8:14:19 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: livius
I believe quite a few Lebanese Catholics have been driven from their homes as well. And of course there is the Sudan, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, etc, etc...
46 posted on 08/27/2002 8:15:08 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
"still speaking Aramaic." There is also an Aramaic speaking community of Christians in Syria - rather reduced in numbers but very honoured. They are members of an eastern Orthodox church. Their language is said to be very close to that spoken by Jesus.
47 posted on 08/27/2002 8:15:57 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
you started off alright there with an explanation and then drifted off into something that didn't make sense ... what rejection are you speaking of please?
48 posted on 08/27/2002 8:16:50 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: sinkspur
Any place where the west starts kicking islamic butt is as good as any other. Islam is a plague on the planet.
49 posted on 08/27/2002 8:17:14 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Bobby777
So it is on own your authority that Nestorian was correct. How then do you know that the rightly inspired books are in the New Testament if you reject the Authority of Rome since it was Rome who compiled and approved of the NT?
50 posted on 08/27/2002 8:17:41 PM PDT by JMJ333
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