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U.S.'S SECRET WEAPON AGAINST IRAQ (electromagnetic pulse bomb)
Newsmax Insider Report ^ | 8/29/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 08/29/2002 9:08:45 AM PDT by dead

Last week when President Bush met with the ever proper, suit-clad Donald Rumsfeld in Crawford, Texas, he met with the press and told them that when the time comes, a full discussion will reveal all the facts about Iraq.

President Bush offered a litany of factors that will be fully discussed, including, he said, "new technologies."

The buzz in Washington is that Bush was referring to a new weapon the Pentagon plans to use against Iraq, with devastating effect.

The new weapon is known as an "EMP" or electromagnetic pulse bomb. Such a weapon is not new to military planners.

When a nuclear device is exploded, it emits a powerful EMP that blows transistors and electric circuits for hundreds of miles. A successful EMP will knock out all electrical and communication systems. Even cars and trucks will stop working. Modern life will come to a screeching halt.

Apparently, the U.S. has perfected a weapon that emits a powerful EMP without the nuclear blast.

A Washington insider says such a weapon over Baghdad would likely collapse Saddam's command and control instantly.

"Saddam's Republican Guard won't even be able to use walk talkies," the insider tells NewsMax.com.


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1 posted on 08/29/2002 9:08:45 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead
A good weapon. Must be careful to not let it backfire.
2 posted on 08/29/2002 9:09:32 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: dead
Wow. This is huge. We are the only people in the world who have become privy to this secret! [/sarcasm]
3 posted on 08/29/2002 9:10:16 AM PDT by SunStar
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To: dead
Don't tell anybody.
4 posted on 08/29/2002 9:10:34 AM PDT by Consort
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To: SunStar
I hope no Iraqis subscribe to Newsmax's email alerts!
5 posted on 08/29/2002 9:11:54 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead
Not a secret anymore.
7 posted on 08/29/2002 9:12:31 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: dead
Hasn't the Chicoms installed a fiber optic system? I'm sure I read that. EMP won't affect fiber.
8 posted on 08/29/2002 9:12:40 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: dead
I guess we'll know they used it when CNN suddenly goes black. ;~))
9 posted on 08/29/2002 9:14:33 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Vinnie; All
EMP won't affect the fiber itself, just the routers and switches that use the fiber.

However, this story ignores the biggest problem: EMP effects realiably lethal to electronics are also going to be reliably lethal to a large part of the civilian population in the immediate area (imagine sticking your head in a microwave oven, jimmying the safety interlock, and turning the thing on at full power). And you can write off anyone with a pacemaker, as well.

10 posted on 08/29/2002 9:15:24 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Vinnie
EMP won't affect fiber

True, but every fiber must terminate in some electronic device.

11 posted on 08/29/2002 9:15:37 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Vinnie
Hasn't the Chicoms installed a fiber optic system? I'm sure I read that. EMP won't affect fiber.

All I know is the Chinese laying/engineering fiber optics to connect radars, anti-aircraft missile batteries and their command/control centers. A few of these EMP blasts would fry the electronics in all three places. So the fiber optic connects will be irrelevant.

 

12 posted on 08/29/2002 9:17:29 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dead
To lazy to go search for it, but I'm quite sure there was an article yesterday about Britain having made such a device, and that they were planning on using it on Iraq.
13 posted on 08/29/2002 9:17:45 AM PDT by anguish
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To: dead
Good! We're just one tiny step away from an electrochemical pulse bomb that will re-boot the human brain for a thousand miles around Mecca and Medina.

Bejing, Moscow, and most of Europe could stand to have one dropped on them, too.

Let's keep those R&D dollars pouring into the Pentagon!

14 posted on 08/29/2002 9:18:24 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: dead
I would be very uncomfortable about giving the rest of the world a lets develop EMP urge. Nobody is more vunerable to EMP than the US.
15 posted on 08/29/2002 9:19:51 AM PDT by weikel
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To: dead
Start worrying when we use mass drivers.

EMP small potatoes, can eventually be repiared, but mass drivers now that is a little more of a problem.

16 posted on 08/29/2002 9:20:43 AM PDT by dts32041
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To: dead
Key phrase is, "modern life" - who says Iraq has modern anything?

Okay, now, it could well have more advanced cellular phones than the US (many 3rd world areas do....since it is the first telephone of any kind, they install the latest and greatest). Anyone who has a new car, ditto.

But for those in Soviet tanks, APCs, and aircraft this means almost squat! When one of the first MIG29s was brought to us, we laughed at its antiquated tube technology, until we discovered that was only part of its EMP hardening.

Generally speaking, an EMP attack could put us on our collective butts. (Civilian and military) It is NOT as significant to anyone using Soviet weapon systems using pre- 70s or so technology of any sort.
17 posted on 08/29/2002 9:21:04 AM PDT by DK Zimmerman
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To: anguish
Someone said the Brits had come up with the E bomb...
18 posted on 08/29/2002 9:22:17 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: weikel
I have several boxes of tubes sitting around that would suddenly be worth big $.
19 posted on 08/29/2002 9:22:30 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: dead; All
2.  empwarheads.htm
The history, current technology status and applications of electromagnetic pulse weapons (EMP).
6/10/2002 http://www.deepspace4.com/pages/science/emp/empwarheads.htm
See results from this site only.

3.  Strategic Affairs - Analysis
Intelligence Weapons and Equipment Technology Top Brass Reportage Analysis Warfare Newsbrief Books Websites On Record Archive Home EMP - Nightmare for industrialized nations D. Sridar FOR THE smooth o
6/15/2001 http://www.stratmag.com/issueJune-15/page07.htm
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20 posted on 08/29/2002 9:25:19 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: dts32041
...Start worrying when we use mass drivers...

No kidding. Those folks will run over anybody.

(...groan...)

21 posted on 08/29/2002 9:26:14 AM PDT by SGCOS
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To: anguish
Saddam to be target of Britain's 'E-bomb'

Be sure to see reply 14 in that thread.

22 posted on 08/29/2002 9:26:48 AM PDT by michigander
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The base theory has been around for a while, I'm thinking I saw a Modern Electronics article on them years ago that said the theory was dated then.

But actually making a functional device is another matter. From that same (time-dimmed) article, they had been tested, completed, and filed away. US interest comes from recent emphasis on means of non-lethal attacks.
23 posted on 08/29/2002 9:27:04 AM PDT by DK Zimmerman
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To: SunStar
We are the only people in the world who have become privy to this secret!

Hi! Is there room for one more? Come on, I won't tell a soul.

It's our little secret. No more posts on this.

24 posted on 08/29/2002 9:27:05 AM PDT by Barnacle
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To: Poohbah
My biggest question would be, "Will my TV remote still work?"
25 posted on 08/29/2002 9:27:51 AM PDT by Chemnitz
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To: DK Zimmerman
Not to mention that there are solid state components that are RADHARD and would not be effected by an EMP.
26 posted on 08/29/2002 9:29:50 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: LibWhacker
LOL, that is really funny!
27 posted on 08/29/2002 9:31:27 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Chemnitz
Hey! See my post #24.

Oh, all right. You're already in. You can stay.

But no more!
28 posted on 08/29/2002 9:32:28 AM PDT by Barnacle
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To: CougarGA7
Agreed, but they are by far the exception and almost entirely limited to military apps.

Bottom line is, if it has a chip in it (and what doesn't these days - in the US) EMP will fry it. Omar's camel doesn't depend on a chip to start, nor his well to supply water.

On the other hand, I understand we got some very nice results from carbon fiber bombs in Kosovo (from public sources, of course).
29 posted on 08/29/2002 9:34:12 AM PDT by DK Zimmerman
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To: dennisw
Most modern US military hardware is shielded to withstand a certain amount. I would assume the Russian/Chinese makers are about as far along as we are in this respect.

Plans are supposed to be available for a EMP device on the net, somewhere around $400 bucks worth of electronics. Think there's an article on it around here somewhere.
30 posted on 08/29/2002 9:34:48 AM PDT by steve50
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Someone said the Brits had come up with the E bomb... "

Must be in response to the Russians developing the Goldeneye" :)

31 posted on 08/29/2002 9:35:44 AM PDT by DE50AE
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To: dennisw
If you do a search about recent attacks on Iraq (no-fly zone stuff) you will see that we blew that up a few weeks ago. At least thats what some are saying.

But, as you say, the fiber wouldnt be affected--but the lasers on each end would be useless.
32 posted on 08/29/2002 9:38:25 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: steve50
I respectfully disagree.

The vast majority of our military stuff is NOT shielded/hardened. We have consistently been unwilling to foot the the bill in our pursuit for the biggest bang for the buck. This typically means off-the shelf technology.
Not denying some is, but the vast majority is not.

Soviets have taken a different approach for decades!!! (See above) Don't know about Chinese, but I would be surprised if they didn't follow Soviet/Russian lead.
33 posted on 08/29/2002 9:38:42 AM PDT by DK Zimmerman
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To: dead
Rumsfeld is pulling a "Corbomite Maneuver".
34 posted on 08/29/2002 9:40:34 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: DK Zimmerman
Thanks for the info DK. I wasn't aware that we lagged behind others in this area. Not a welcome surprise.
35 posted on 08/29/2002 9:44:06 AM PDT by steve50
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To: steve50
Most military equipment is not encased in a Gaussian shield think again.
36 posted on 08/29/2002 9:44:36 AM PDT by weikel
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To: steve50
That's really the downside to the issue. We discovered the bloody effects and have known the solution from the get-go.

We have simply been unwilling to pay for it. They haven't. Another example of, yeah, we might know how to, but don't. They "lift" it from us and do!

I've got another even more telling example, but I fear I got it classified and I haven't seen it in the public domain.
37 posted on 08/29/2002 9:49:36 AM PDT by DK Zimmerman
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To: Vinnie
Hasn't the Chicoms installed a fiber optic system? I'm sure I read that. EMP won't affect fiber.

No, just the devices on either end of the fiber.

38 posted on 08/29/2002 9:49:36 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Poohbah; Alamo-Girl; OKCSubmariner; Travis McGee
Stupidity Bump!

EMP effects realiably lethal to electronics are also going to be reliably lethal to a large part of the civilian population in the immediate area (imagine sticking your head in a microwave oven, jimmying the safety interlock, and turning the thing on at full power).

You've said some foolish and absurd things before, Poohbah, but this just takes the cake.

39 posted on 08/29/2002 9:49:58 AM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: SGCOS
At least you appreciate the humor and acutally know what I am talking about.
40 posted on 08/29/2002 9:50:01 AM PDT by dts32041
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To: SunStar
Yeah, doesn't it really grind at ya when all these SECRETS are revealed so they aren't secret anymore? There HAS to be some purpose behind it, doesn't there? A NON-SECRET SECRET. Hmmmm.
41 posted on 08/29/2002 9:51:00 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: AFreeBird
Actually, despite all the preceding comments, I'm unsure about the effect upon fiber.

I have seen absolutely nothing on it, but light has its wave-particle duality and is part of the same spectrum. I simply would be unwilling to bet on it one way or the other.

It would make for an interesting experiment.
42 posted on 08/29/2002 9:53:39 AM PDT by DK Zimmerman
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To: steve50
Now WHY would the Chinese be as far along as we are? Couldn't be cuz Clinton sold or gave them secret information, now, could it. NAH, it couldn't be. He was our president and his first duty is to protect our nation. NAH.
43 posted on 08/29/2002 9:54:21 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: dead
They did this in the re-make of Ocean's 11. I guess NewsMax watches the movies to come up with their Top Secret Exclusive Breaking News Bulletin Cover Stories. What a joke!
44 posted on 08/29/2002 9:54:34 AM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: StockAyatollah
They did this in the re-make of Ocean's 11.

Good thing nobody saw it!

45 posted on 08/29/2002 9:58:00 AM PDT by dead
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To: steve50
Most modern US military hardware is shielded to withstand a certain amount. I would assume the Russian/Chinese makers are about as far along as we are in this respect.

My guess is some of the electronics is shielded in the radar/ missile batteries/control centers.... but not enough. The weakest links will be knocked out by fried electronics.

Shielding is done by using vacuum tube electronics/ by lead shielding/ my shielding with other metals. Someone correct me if I am wrong....

46 posted on 08/29/2002 9:59:37 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Marysecretary
My concern is that a klintoon can't sell military secrets by himself, it takes high level help to get that information and hide the transfer, it's not in a desk in the WH.. Many of the people with access are more or less lifetime political hacks, and we refuse to investigate.
47 posted on 08/29/2002 10:00:23 AM PDT by steve50
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To: Paul Ross
EMP effects realiably lethal to electronics are also going to be reliably lethal to a large part of the civilian population in the immediate area (imagine sticking your head in a microwave oven, jimmying the safety interlock, and turning the thing on at full power).

You've said some foolish and absurd things before, Poohbah, but this just takes the cake.

How so?

This is a known factor in EMP warhead employment and targeting, and has been commented on in more than one Air Force study (the best coverage is the AF2025 study report that covers a Global Area Strike System).

48 posted on 08/29/2002 10:03:08 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
imagine sticking your head in a microwave oven, jimmying the safety interlock, and turning the thing on at full power
 
 
Sorry, sometimes I just can't help myself.

49 posted on 08/29/2002 10:03:44 AM PDT by dinasour
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To: DK Zimmerman
For those seeking a common sense explanation of what EMP will do to the Iraqi people. Modern civilization ends for those under the EMP umbrella. If you detonate one above Chicago, then everything with 200 miles that is electronic in nature is gone, permanently unless you go out and buy new parts, cable, tv`s, etc. No truck will move. No missile will fire. No radar will function. No hydroelectric dam will produce. No nuke test lab will work. No anthrax test and develop center can operate. No resturant can function, unless you have a plain fire and pots and pans. Life becomes a pretty difficult thing. And for Saddam, it means no communications with anyone unless you send a motorcade to convey your message. You won't see taped interviews or satellite feeds for days if not weeks. Even CNN folks on the ground will back to 1900s if this occurs. This weapon doesn't kill folks, but it will sure make them think about the modern world and how little they really they are in it. Life will never be the same, and the good news is...you didn't kill a single Iraqi with a single missile. They did it to themselves.
50 posted on 08/29/2002 10:04:48 AM PDT by pepsionice
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