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This is shocking . . .
1 posted on 08/29/2002 5:33:12 PM PDT by The Energizer
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Shocking indeed. Fourteen unarmed planes defending the entire eastern seaboard. Could this be possible?

I wonder if a fighter pilot would obey an order to crash his plane into an airliner. I just don't think suicide missions are in our culture.

2 posted on 08/29/2002 5:37:37 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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Colonel Robert Marr was Commander of the North East Defence Sector and remembers the words that came over the secure phone "we will take lives in the air to preserve lives on the ground".

Who supposedly said this?

3 posted on 08/29/2002 5:38:51 PM PDT by michigander
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>>the entire US mainland was being defended by only 14 planes.

This is the Shocker. Of course, we were fat, dumb and happy in our complacency.

Kamikaze by US pilots were a sign of desperateness, but would the pilots have obey an order like that or done it on their own initiative? Who knows. At least someone was thinking desperate measures for desperate times.
4 posted on 08/29/2002 5:39:08 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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No - it is not. God bless our soldiers.
5 posted on 08/29/2002 5:39:24 PM PDT by patton
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Shocking looking back at it, yes, but we were a different country then.

The military changed this policy immediately. In the days after 9-11 when air-traffic finally resumed, I personally witnessed a couple of Navy F-18/As tailing a jumbo jet into SFO from the rear balcony of the building I work in that is literally on the shoreline of the bay off Foster City, CA.

Those Hornets were bristling with missiles. Every hardpoint was filled. Fully-loaded for bear.

The racetrack flight patterns they were running over the 'Bay lasted for at least a week.

8 posted on 08/29/2002 5:42:54 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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This is shocking . . .

It's also Bullshit!

There were at least 4 F-16s on alert at VTANG before and after 9/11

16 posted on 08/29/2002 5:51:39 PM PDT by JimVT
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If any Freepers can receive the BBC Two broadcasts, they will air a program on this.

Here are the details:

Clear the Skies - presented by the BBC's special correspondent Gavin Hewitt - will be broadcast on BBC Two on Sunday 1 September at 2100 BST.
17 posted on 08/29/2002 5:53:30 PM PDT by The Energizer
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Just a thought too but I bet the pilot would have tried to eject somehow just before his plane collided. Plus, there might be other ways of doing it- I'm certainly not a pilot but couldn't the fighter get under the airliner's wingtip and give it nudge to destabilize it's flight somehow- maybe try to break on of the tail stabilizers or something? Probably raw speculation on my part but I'll stand by the ejection seat bit.
19 posted on 08/29/2002 6:01:59 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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Uh huh. Unless I heard the audio tapes, I'd be inclined to dismiss this as "creative journalism."
22 posted on 08/29/2002 6:15:23 PM PDT by IronJack
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Utter garbage. Whoever wrote this article knows nothing about the U.S. defense system.
24 posted on 08/29/2002 6:23:39 PM PDT by TommyDale
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Since this was reported by the BBC I know it is true. Had this been from the evil American CCN I would not believe it.
26 posted on 08/29/2002 6:45:40 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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Their mission was to protect President George W Bush and to intercept any hijacked aircraft heading to other targets in the US.

This flaming, left-wing, Euro-trash slander bullsh*t. Duh.

31 posted on 08/29/2002 7:15:31 PM PDT by ASDFGHJK
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Uh...color me extremely skeptical. We may have had that many aircraft in the air in the area at the time, but then why would we have any more? One doesn't defend the continent by keeping a flotilla of aircraft circling on station 24 hours a day.

As for the "suicide missions," forget it. No CO would order any subordinate to do any such thing in the U.S. armed forces - remember, those airliners were filled with civilians just as innocent as the ones in the WTC. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that a pilot who knew what was going on might choose to sacrifice himself to save people on the ground - I know these people and they absolutely would do that sort of thing. But they did not know, nor did the people aboard the hijacked airliners know, what was in the terrorists' minds until impact. That's why the whole article is a little silly - you don't defend well against a threat you've never seen and have not anticipated.

I'm just guessing here, but it doesn't seem likely to me that the authors of this have much military time under their collective belt...

34 posted on 08/29/2002 7:24:37 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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This sounds like BS to me.

Jets take off from Andrews AFB constantly. I assume they do likewise from bases in Virginia, Massachussets, etc. Surely, most of them search to the East, as we would expect, but I find it hard to believe than NONE would have been available.

36 posted on 08/29/2002 7:25:11 PM PDT by blau993
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I saw this interview on BBC America. Truly scary. He was sending unarmed planes on combat missions.
38 posted on 08/29/2002 7:26:28 PM PDT by aculeus
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However, at the time of the attacks the US had just four fighter pilots on alert covering the north eastern United States.

This has to be complete and utter BS. The friggin' Brits love to toss this kind of misinformation around as if they know what they're talking about.

There would have been more than four pilots in F15s on alert at Otis AFB on the Cape alone. And I know that the Air Force has a wing stationed at or near Bradley Int'l in Connecticut.

42 posted on 08/29/2002 7:31:28 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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Is this new news? Why is it coming out one year later?
45 posted on 08/29/2002 7:35:53 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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This is completely false... while planes may be flying without missiles, I cannot for one minute believe only 14 planes in the country had bullets in thier guns.
51 posted on 08/29/2002 7:54:23 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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I've just read several posts on this thread insisting that the U.S. must have had more than 4 aircraft on alert prior to Sept 11. Here are some things to consider.
1. A base full of fighters is not the same as a base full of armed fighters. Before Sept 11 it was EXTREMELY rare to arm aircraft with actual ordnance. In fact, before Sept 11, in ten years of flying fighters I flew exactly 1 mission with live air to air ordnance in the U.S.. Many bases didn't even have live ordnance located on the base, nevermind loaded on the aircraft.
2. Active duty fighter squadrons did not sit alert in the U.S. immediately prior to Sept 11. The 1st Fighter Wing in VA is the primier active duty F-15 fighter wing on the East Coast, and was guarded by a couple National Guard F-16's from North Dakota.
3. Fighters sitting alert in the southern part of the U.S. were most commonly tasked to intercept suspected drug runners, and were typically flown without ordnance.
4. There really wasn't any reason to have a bunch of armed fighters sitting ready at U.S. bases prior to Sept 11. The only long range air threat ended with the demise of the Soviet Union. The notion that someone would us airliners as guided weapons wasn't realistic.
I'm not saying the BBC show isn't BS. I haven't seen it. But nothing I've read in the article refrenced here is too far off.
52 posted on 08/29/2002 8:12:46 PM PDT by Rokke
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"US pilots were forced to take to the skies without any weapons and might have had to deliberately crash into a hijacked plane to prevent casualties on the ground."

They could farm out the duty to the ChiComs. I understand they have recent hands-on experience in this area.

--Boris

59 posted on 08/29/2002 9:14:48 PM PDT by boris
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