Computer Connectivity and Putting 40 Something’s in Jail for Stuff they did in there 20s

Me ^ | Friday, August 30, 2002 | FoxPro

[ijcr]

Crime has CONSEQUENCES . Look on the bright side, Ohio is not a three strikes state. There are many things a Liberal judge will permit,but contempt of court is not one of them.

You are in the NCIC and any traffic stop in any state will now result in your immediate arrest.There are two ways to deal with this "youthful indiscretion".If choose, you can report to your local sheriffs office, and let Ohio deal with extradition, or you can sneak into Ohio, preferably on a bus and then turn yourself in to the authorities.That will save you money as you will be charged for the trip and escort.

PS be real nice to the Booking officer at the jail, you really do not want to end up in the wrong cell. But if you do end up in the wrong cell, remember your maxim, "I just want to get it over with", don't scream.

[decimon]

Well, lets go 2 years after this (I am now 27 years old) where I found myself in a grocery store, in a different Ohio county. My arms were full of stuff I was planning to buy, so I stuffed a couple of things in my coat pocket, so I could get them to the checkout. Well the store security nailed me for shoplifting, called the cops and I end up in court again. After explaining to the judge that I didn't actually take anything from the store, they dropped the charge down to something called "abuse of property". Little did I realize that by pleading guilty to this and paying a minor fine (I think it was $25) I had technically triggered a probation violation from 2 years before. Again, I just wanted to get out of there, and be done with it.

That doesn't sound right. In New York I believe it's still true that you must leave a store with the merchandise to have committed a crime. Some lawyer should be able to make it not worth their while to persue the matter.

I think the key is to make it more trouble for them than for you.

[dpa5923]

Okay, let me see.

Assault. (Not your fault though, someone else was harassing a girl)

DUI. (Not your fault, the owner made you drink several margaritas and then made you move your car)

Illegally removing crime evidence (Not your fault because your brother knew this guy)

Failure to appear in court for the DUI (not your fault cause you illegally obtained a license in another state)

Illegally obtaining a license (If you had informed the DMV that your license was confiscated by Ohio state they would never have issued you a new license)

Abuse of Property (Not your fault cause you didn't know you couldn't hide stuff in your pockets)

You didn't notice that you were given a 3 year probation period.

You didn't know pleading guilty would trigger a probation violation.

Anyone else notice a pattern here?

FoxPro, grow up. You (and only you) made your bed. Now sleep in it.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

To: OrthodoxPresbyterian The key is,they had no evidence and no probable cause,period.It's a money thing ,it makes there job more secure. 16 posted on 8/30/02 5:36 PM Pacific by eastforker

I'm sorry, East... aside from not passing Prohibitionist Laws which are prone to abuse in the first place, sometimes you just hafta vote the bastages out in the general elections.

That, and sue them both professionally and personally with extreme prejudice.

Other than that -- I wish I had more for you, but I honestly don't.

[Poohbah]

Very succinct analysis.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Anyone else notice a pattern here?

I noticed the same pattern (it's pretty obvious in the article), but FoxPro's situation (whatever his failings) would've been better served by an ounce of immediate Justice in each case, than a ton of suspended "Justice" years later, hanging over his head.

Even the Court Jester sometimes makes a good and valid point, and FoxPro is the Jester of the moment....

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

15 years ago I punched some guy for harassing a nice girl at a friendly beer keg gathering ~~ Doesn't sound like a completely friendly gathering. :-)

"Friendly" can be a very elastic term at certain beer keg gatherings. ;-)

Hold muh beer an' watch this....

[ijcr]

So selling 50 KGS of cocaine is not a crime in your eyes as long as it is on private property?

[gg188]

The right amount of money to the right lawyer who takes care of the right judge and, buddaboom, you skate. It won't be cheap, I imagine (a few grand should do it.) In the county (or counties) in question, you need to find one of a well-connected, veteran, "insider" attorney plugged into the system there. After that, it's just negotiating a price with him, and him negotiating a price with a judge. If you visit a lawyer there who says this can't be done, go find another lawyer. You are a prime mark for profits by all those involved.

[eastforker]

Unless you are a lawyer,do you know all the laws in your state and the ramifications if you violate them.I know,Ignorance of the law is no excuse,however,no one can remember all laws and the cosequences of breaking them,and you and I know we all break laws everyday,knowingly or not.

[winodog]

This does not help you but in a related storyabout 12 years ago in Vegas a baliff came to the door and arrested my girlfriend at 6 o'clock just as we were sitting down to dinner. The kids were crying as mom was handcuffed.
The baliff would not let me go pay the fine. He insisted she had to go to jail.
She had recieved a ticket for the dog not being on a leash about 4 months before this.
And for that they sent a officer to the door and took her to jail.

[Billthedrill]

Get a lawyer who is a member of the Ohio bar. Have him or her look into the matter and see if it can be mediated. This can be done without entering the state if you're worried about a warrant.

And for Pete's sake don't screw up again. At least not while this is pending - that's what got you into it in the first place.

[eastforker]

You nailed it exactly,follow the money,what works for the crimminal works for the legal justice system.

[Poohbah]

Unless you are a lawyer,do you know all the laws in your state and the ramifications if you violate them.

The nice thing about our system is that you are *TOLD* at sentencing what ramifications you are being subject to. Maybe FoxPro shoulda paid attention when the guy in the funny robes was talking to him.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

So selling 50 KGS of cocaine is not a crime in your eyes as long as it is on private property?

Nor is the sale of 50kg of vodka.
It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

There are 613 moral laws in the Old Testament. 613.
NOT ONE places the control of intoxicants (of any chemical variety) on private property under the purview of the State -- Not a single one.

Preaching against drunkenness (of any chemical variety) is a ministration of the Church, not of the State. If it's good enough for God, it's good enough for me.

[eastforker]

Yes,you are right,most lawyers and judges are brothers and sisters of the same alumni,they are of the same cloth,without one,the other would not survive.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Get a lawyer who is a member of the Ohio bar. Have him or her look into the matter and see if it can be mediated. This can be done without entering the state if you're worried about a warrant. And for Pete's sake don't screw up again. At least not while this is pending - that's what got you into it in the first place. 32 posted on 8/30/02 5:53 PM Pacific by Billthedrill

Hear, hear. Good advice.

Listen to the man.

[opinionator]

Nothing is ever your fault, is it? Three charges, and they're all just little misunderstandings. Funny.

[gg188]

It's marks like Foxpro is that are so profitable for everyone involved. Foxpro is not a threat to anyone, not a recidivist, not going to go to the local TV news or the FBI or any sh*t like that. He is going to pay his money and go and the lawyer and the judge and the legal system will never see him again. There is no risk exposure of any kind for the judge or the court or the lawyer. He is totally over a barrel, he is NOT a professional criminal by any means. Foxpro needs to find the lawyer, for example, who handles johns who are busted in that county. Routinely, middle-class and upper-middle class johns buy their way out and everyone all the way around is satisfied. I am not applying a value judgement here or saying it is right or wrong. I have known of countless contested divorces that are decided based upon simply who has the best-connected lawyer and which lawyer has which judge in his pocket and can get his cases in his judge's court.

[eastforker]

Don't wanta fight with you,not everyone understands what he is being told and what the cosequenses are.MY point,did the judge tell foxpro that if he went back to his home state and got a duplicate license that he would be commiting a criminal act?An ounce of protection is worth a pound of cure IMO.