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The Bible vs. The Quran
Islam ^ | 08-30-02 | Abdullah Al Araby

Posted on 08/31/2002 5:30:20 AM PDT by vance

The Bible vs. The Quran

By Abdullah Al Araby

The Quran is the Muslims' Holy Book, the same as is the Bible to Christians, Muslims regard the Quran as the infallible utterance of the Almighty. The word "Quran" means recitation. The name was applied by Mohammed to each individual portion of the Book, but was later used for the whole Book.

Mohammed proclaimed the Quran as the miracle that proved his prophethood. There has been, however, much debate among intellectual Muslims on the issue of the miracle of the Quran. Some Arabic scholars like az-Zamakhshari noted more than one hundred grammatical errors in the Quran.

The Quran is written in Arabic poetic prose. It is divided into 114 Surahs or chapters, and contains the religious, social, civil, commercial, military, and legal code of Islam. It also contains stories which occur in the Jewish and Christian Scriptures and Apocrypha.

The Quran, however, contradicts the Bible in many of the details of these stories, including some of the names of the people involved. When faced by these contradictions, Muslims justify them by claiming that the Bible must have been altered. Yet in no place in the Quran do we find the Omniscient (knowing everything) Allah pointing out these altered passages of the Bible, or revealing the correct ones. Such a claim can also be disputed by historical evidence, as well as by the Quran itself, which approved of the Bible, and said so repeatedly:

There is enough evidence to support the claim that the Quran may have been tampered with. Nobody knows where the original Quran is. The Quran that we have in our hands now is called the Uthman's Quran, which was collected long after Mohammed's death. Parts of the original Quran must have been lost, after many of the reciters of the Quran died or were killed in battle. Uthman, the third Caliph (successor of Mohammed) gathered what was left of the Quran, arranged it by length of Surahs rather than chronologically, then burned all other existing copies.

The Bible, on the other hand, has stood the test of time. To suggest that the Bible has been altered is against both reason and historic findings.

Neither Christians nor Jews can reasonably be accused of altering their Scriptures. One reason is that they didn't have anything to gain from doing so, and if they did, they wouldn't willingly spill their blood defending it. In the book of Revelation God puts a severe punishment on those who add to or take away, any part of God's Word. (See Revelation 22:18 & 19)

The Jews were also commanded not to commit such a terrible act. (See Deuteronomy 4:2)

Furthermore, Christians and Jews did not alter their Scriptures based on historic evidence. Many manuscripts of early copies of the Bible were discovered through the years, and were found to match the text we have now. Here are some of these famous manuscript:

The Sinaitic - It was written in the middle of the fourth century, about 270 years before Islam. It contains the whole of the New Testament and a large part of the Old Testament. It is now kept in the British Museum

The Alexandrian - It was written in the early fifth century, more than 200 years before Islam. It contains the whole Bible, except a few pages that have been lost. It is also kept in the British Museum.

The Vatican - It was written in the early fourth century, about 300 years before Islam. It contains the whole Bible. It is now kept in the Vatican Library at Rome.

These and other manuscripts such as Codex Ephraemi and the Dead Sea Scrolls and the thousands of other copies or part of copies of the early Bibles prove beyond doubt that the Bible could not possibly be altered or corrupted.


Many stories of the Bible that have been recorded in the Quran were misquoted and are contradictory to the Bible. Here are a few: examples:

The story of Cain and Abel

After Cain killed his brother Abel, The Quran says that "Allah sent a raven who scratched the ground to show him how to hide the shame of his brother." Surah 5:31. This is not mentioned in the Bible.

The story of Noah and the flood

The Quran in Surah 11:42 & 43 says that one of the sons of Noah refused to go into the Ark and was drowned in the flood, while the Bible says that all three sons of Noah went into the Ark with him and were saved from the flood (Genesis 7:7).

In Surah 11:44 the Quran says that the Ark came to rest on top of mount Judi, While the Bible says that it was Mount Ararat (Genesis 8:4).

The Story of Abraham

Abraham's father, according to the Quran, is Azar (Surah 6:74), while the Bible says that his name was Terah (Genesis 11:26).

The Quran says Abraham had two sons, the Bible says they were eight.

The Quran says some of Abraham's descendants lived in the valley of Mecca (Surah 14:37),while the Bible says they lived in Hebron (Genesis 13:18).

The Quran says that Abraham had two wives, in the Bible he had three.

The Quran says that he built the Kaaba (Surah 2:125-127). The Bible has no record of that.

The story of Moses

The Quran states that the one who adopted Moses was Pharaoh's wife (Surah 28:9), While the Bible says it was Pharaoh's daughter (Exodus 2:5)

The Quran states that Haman lived in Egypt during Moses' time (Surah 28:6), while the Bible says that Haman lived in Persia during King Ahasuerus time (Esther 3:1).

The story of Mary (the mother of Jesus)

The Quran states that her brother was Aaron (Surah 19:28), while the Bible says that Aaron lived 1300 years before Mary (Numbers 26:59).

That she gave birth to Jesus under a palm tree (Surah 19:23),while the Bible says it was in a stable (Luke 2:7).

That Jesus spoke and made miracles at the time he was a baby (Surah 19:24-26). The Bible has no record of that. That Zacharias could not speak for three nights (Surah 19:10), while the Bible says he could not speak until the child was born (or for about 9 months) Luke 1:20.


Muslims believe that the Quran is a direct utterance of Allah (God). Because God is infallible, one would expect the Quran to be infallible also. However, by examining the Quran, we are faced by many statements that go against the undisputed facts of science. It would be unacceptable if such errors were attributed to a learned human being, worse yet to attribute them to the Omniscient God. The list of the errors in the Quran is very long, and are discussed in full detail in other books. Here, we have a limited space to list only a few samples. Our goal is to question whether God can make such errors, whether God was in fact the author of the Quran.

Geographical Errors

The Earth is stationary

"He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs." Surah 31:10

The Sun sets in a spring

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." Surah 18:86

Historical Errors

Pharaoh built the tower of Babel in Egypt

"Pharaoh said: "O Chiefs! no god do I know for you but myself: therefore, O Haman! light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace, that I may mount up to the god of Moses: but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!" Surah 28:38

Alexander the Great was a prophet

"They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain (Alexander the Great) Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story." Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends. One (such) way he followed, Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." Surah 18:83-88

Ethical Errors

Legalizing perjury

"God will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225

Legalizing murder

"O Apostle! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding." Surah 8:65

Legalizing deceit

"God will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth God make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89

Scientific Errors

A corps leaning on a staff for a year

"Then, when We decreed (Solomon's) death, nothing showed them his death except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his staff: so when he fell down, the Jinns saw plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in the humiliating Penalty (of their Task)." Surah 34:14

A nap lasting three hundred and nine years

"So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more)" Surah 18:9-26

Legal Errors

Scourging the witness

"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-" Surah 24:4

God ordains taking spoils

"And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to God,- and to the Apostle, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in God and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For God hath power over all things." Surah 8:41

Since the Bible came first, and since there is every reason to believe that the Bible was kept uncorrupted, Muslim theologians have lots of explaining to do with regard to such contradictions and errors in their Book.

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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
"The Bible, on the other hand, has stood the test of time. To suggest that the Bible has been altered is against both reason and historic findings. "

You:" Okay, this is where I stopped reading. This statement is absolutely false. Next contestant please."

Hate to rain on your one person parade but ... back you your ridiculous statment.

41 posted on 08/31/2002 2:11:48 PM PDT by nmh
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To: muir_redwoods
Right, and you disbelieve, but I did want to get it on the record that God said that He wrote the Bible, not man.
42 posted on 08/31/2002 2:13:07 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: vance
Thank you for posting this. Maybe some will see ... but as you know, many will not.

Have a wonderful weekend too!

43 posted on 08/31/2002 2:13:14 PM PDT by nmh
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To: RJCogburn
It's sad to read a statement like this:

"Each requires faith, not reason, to be accepted by the respective believers. Arguing over which one is 'right' seems difficult."

Faith and reason go hand in hand when it comes to the Bible. This is not so with the koran. Again contrary to your who is "right" ... it is the Bible that is right. If you'd read it, you'd know that to be true. Those who know the Bible as being "right" don't have the difficulty of seeing where the koran is wrong, contradictory and illogical. It's just another blessing from being familiar with the Word of God. BTW, God isn't relative either. Right and wrong are clearly written about.

I like this verse on reasoning:


[18] Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

What the Lord is saying is that believing in Him and His teachings is not unreasonable and neither is faith in Him.

44 posted on 08/31/2002 2:21:41 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Ahban
OK then, let's compare the historocity, as actual persons, of the Egyptian god seti with that of Jesus Christ.

OK, let's do that. Seti was a great pharaoh (and therefore a god) and the father of a greater one. He built temples all over Egypt (most notably at Abydos and Luxor). His name and deeds are written on stone, plaster and papyrus in copious amounts. And if you would like to meet him, his mummy currently resides in the Cairo Museum.

If you are interested in checking out the Ancient Egyptian religion (which was an active religion for twice the length of time Christanity has been around) in its modern manifestation you can go to: I'm not a believer but I find this group amusing.

45 posted on 08/31/2002 2:23:20 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: skull stomper
Christians are the largest religious group on the planet,and in the USA.

The largest, yes, but far less than half and, therefore, fewer people believe in Christ than don't. Got it? Or should I go through it one more time? I know, here's the numbers:

Christianity: 2 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 850 million
Buddhism: 360 million
Chinese traditional religion: 225 million
primal-indigenous: 150 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 95 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 14 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 6 million
Jainism: 4 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 3 million
Tenrikyo: 2.4 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 700 thousand
Scientology: 600 thousand
Zoroastrianism: 150 thousand

46 posted on 08/31/2002 2:35:03 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: Destro
You are right about the Exodus. There is no mention of it anywhere. Several million slaves revolt, perform several miracles including killing all the first-borns, then destroy pharaoh and his army before taking off into the desert. Yet no scribe writes it down. Scribes in palaces, temples, warehouses, etc., record that such-and such slave was absent sick on such-and-such day and that 20 deben of wheat was issued to the painters at Abu Simbel but they let the slave revolt and the death of the pharaoh slip their minds--all of them. How do the Biblical archaeologists handle this? They say that any day now something will turn up.They also have a problem with the pharaoh they identify as the guilty king--actually, he lived into his late 90's and died of an infected jaw. He was the son of Seti and lies with his father in the Cairo Museum.

So for 40 years several million people wandered around the desert, leaving no trace, although traces of older and smaller groups of travelers are common.

Then Joshua takes over and utterly destroys the major cities of Canaan. Oops! Most of these cities have been identified and dug and there are no destruction layers where there ought to be. Several weren't founded until centuries later. How do the Believers explain this? Hoffmeier, who is a Believer and an expert thinks all those stories about destroyed cities were just typical bragging, not to be taken seriously.

OK, but David and Solomon--they are real enough, right? Sorry, Charley. In all the thousands of tablets comprising the diplomatic correspondence of the kings of numerous cities, the names of David and Solomon do not occur. (Now before someone races in to tell me about the Tell Dan inscription which says "bit dwd" on it, which can mean House of David among other things please go to the following:

This will put you in touch with a very serious scholar who is charging that the Tell Dan inscription is a forgery.

47 posted on 08/31/2002 3:27:25 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: Seti 1
Twice the length of Christianity? Christianity is either Judism fulfilled or it is nothing. I guess one could say Judism is the pure form of proto-christianity (what God was leading us to). Some who have studied the matter more than I say Hinduism is a corrupted form of proto-christianity as well. Once you cut through all the goo there is one ultimate god expressed in three forms. There is a flood story with a Noah-type character.

Jesus may not have built any temples, but He built a kingdom in the hearts of men that has changed History forever. The works of Seti are of historical interest only, save the tiny group you reference.

I'll admit You can't find the body of Jesus anywhere. That is not because He didn't exist, its because He STILL exists. We have proof Seti is not an actual God, it rests, as you say, in the Cario museum. We have no such proof concerning Jesus even though it was in the interests of the authorities of the day to take steps to ensure the body of Jesus was available as a museum piece.

48 posted on 08/31/2002 3:39:53 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: Seti 1
Hmmmm. You do believe the holocaust occurred, right?

As far as the dates not matching, I think the scholars are off by about 2-3 centuries because the Egyptian king lists have some folks in there that were not kings. If they go a little earlier, the archeology is a much better, though admittatdly not perfect, match.

The cities founded centuries later were most likely re-establishments of the original destroyed cities.

As far as the lack of official documents of the Exodus, people were probably busy cleaning up after the disaster. BESIDES, GOVERNMENTS record their victories, not their humiliations at the hands of slaves.

How many records would they find in Iraq 2,000 years from now of the American's victory in desert storm? If there is any mention at all, it will be of THEIR great victory over us!!! Technology has changed, but I think we can both agree that the mindset of absolute dictatorships does not!!

49 posted on 08/31/2002 3:51:08 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: vance
50 posted on 08/31/2002 3:54:52 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: vance
But of course there are manifold inconsistencies within the Bible (and probably the Quran as well). For example, compare the genalogies of Jesus given in Matthew and Luke. They don't even agree on the name of Joseph's father.
51 posted on 08/31/2002 3:58:55 PM PDT by be131
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To: vance
No one can trap God in a book and then use it as a weapon against others. It is absurd. Don't franchise God. It doesn't work any more. God existed before religion or any "holy' book. Modern Humans have been around for 200,000 or more years and we only need this stuff now?

52 posted on 08/31/2002 4:07:42 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: Seti 1; Destro
Actually the Egyptians were following ancient historical styles of recording history.They would never record their failures or humiliations. The Pharaohs would not put up with it.Many battles that they lost they would record as a victory......The Torah is one of the few records that includes both.The Jews recorded victories and failures.
It is very odd that there the Egyptians have no records of first born children during that time .Recently archeological digs have uncovered evidence of 600 stables for chariots in the vicinity of the Reed sea.The Reed sea could be the Red Sea mentioned in the King James Version of the Bible. I don't believe the spelling of English words then was standard until the first dictionary was written.A word could be written with several spellings.
53 posted on 08/31/2002 4:12:33 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: Destro
Again the word kill in 1600 could have meant the same thing as murder.The synonym for kill is murder.Look it up. That is not an error.
54 posted on 08/31/2002 4:14:45 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: moteineye
could have? reed sea-red sea?
55 posted on 08/31/2002 4:29:02 PM PDT by Destro
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To: vance
The Bible vs. The Quran

No holds barred (as Islam has made readily apparent), best of 3 falls, no quarter given nor asked.

Coming to a theater (of war) near you very soon.

56 posted on 08/31/2002 4:35:34 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Destro
Yes, have you ever done any research? Spelling was not standard. Red could be spelled any way someone wanted to spell it. Red could be spelled red,read,reed etc.

Until the first dictionary there was not a standard for spelling words in English.
57 posted on 08/31/2002 4:36:02 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: moteineye; Seti 1
Just playing Devil's advocate.

A List of Biblical Contradictions

58 posted on 08/31/2002 4:44:00 PM PDT by Destro
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To: muawiyah
He could say that if and only if he had more than one copy,

If Bill Clinton is any example, Muhammad, or indeed any person, could also say that if he just made it up off the top of his head. Which he may have had to- how many languages could he read, even if he had found manuscripts?

59 posted on 08/31/2002 4:47:50 PM PDT by piasa
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To: moteineye; Seti 1
Just playing Angel's advocate: The following replies are to alleged Biblical contradictions cited by Jim Meritt (needless to say, not a Bible scholar, but an oceanographer) on the web page, "A List of Biblical Contradictions"
60 posted on 08/31/2002 4:50:04 PM PDT by Destro
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