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Media inaccurately depicts itself as objective
The Chronicle (Duke U) ^ | 8/30/02 | Nathan Carleton

Posted on 08/31/2002 12:51:29 PM PDT by NorCoGOP

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To: chudogg
I'm at a disadvantage here.

I get my news exclusively from the Internet, where of course you can find anything. But I seem to remember that, with the proliferation of channels, you can find quite a bit of variety on the tube as well.

21 posted on 08/31/2002 9:51:20 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
Not really when it comes to news. I think at this point we can pretty much discount anything from the major networks as "NEWS". As far as actual news goes, your choices are CNN, CNN International, MSNBC, CNBC, FOXnews, and if your cable allows it, BBC and other foreign channels.
22 posted on 08/31/2002 10:18:58 PM PDT by chudogg
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To: Youngblood
This also applies to Fox News....
...but its a conservative news channel, end of story.


I think we're confusing delivery of actual news with political commentary. Comparing Dan Rather to Sean Hannity, for instance, is comparing apples to oranges. Not to disparage Sean, but he's simply got a different job to do, and I certainly wouldn't want him to be my sole source of information. Unfortunately, many people depend on what their favorite pundit is saying rather than doing their own research. Hell, Rush is always saying something to the effect of "I do the research so you don't have to" or something like that. And this is supposed to be a good thing? It's damned dangerous in my mind. The line seems to have blurred between news and commentary.

As far as actual news and facts, I think you'd be hard pressed to find an objective source anywhere. So those of us who actually give a sh*t are forced to find our own answers and draw our own conclusions.

As far as FOX goes, once you filter out the commentary, I find it to be much too "National Enquirer" for my taste. Right now, it's pretty much the following (on 10 minute rotation):

The latest child kidnapping.
The Robert Blake trial.
The war on terrorism (with Israel and Iraq falling into this heading).

The first two items are what FOX must think our nation of Jerry Springer fans want to see. Admittedly CNN, MSNBC, etc. aren't much better. Sensationalism sells. Of course it's about ratings and ad dollars. In the mean time, because of that blurred line, we've turned into a nation of mostly uninformed parrots.

There is so much going on in the world that is SO much more important than the latest Elizabeth Smart update. I watch BBC news occasionally just to get a break from that. I'm not going to argue about their own bias, it's irrelevant. It's just refreshing to to see some news on the "tele" that isn't strictly ratings-driven.
23 posted on 08/31/2002 10:38:19 PM PDT by jenny65
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To: chudogg; jenny65
Make Yahoo your home-page and you can read news from anywhere in the world - and do your own research. There are chat-rooms and forums reflecting almost every point of view where people from all over the world can add first-hand accounts and alternate interpretations. What more could you ask for?

Why would anyone with an interest in the larger world settle for the tube? Are we who use this easily accessable resource - the Internet - so rare? If so, why?

I suspect that most people who don't do what we do are not really interested, that the networks give them what they want - entertainment and titillation.

24 posted on 08/31/2002 11:18:05 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Youngblood
It could be that the libs on FOX are "slaughtered" because their emotion based, fact and logic starved beliefs are indefensible.
25 posted on 09/01/2002 12:03:04 AM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: liberallarry
Why would anyone with an interest in the larger world settle for the tube?

Believe me, TV is at the bottom of my list when it comes to news. While I admit to watching most of the opinion shows, I don't make the mistake of confusing that with being informed. There's propaganda and lies coming from all sides of the issues.
26 posted on 09/01/2002 1:57:11 AM PDT by jenny65
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To: liberallarry
But I seem to remember that, with the proliferation of channels, you can find quite a bit of variety on the tube as well.

I found an interesting site, National Cable & Telecommunications Association. This site has some cable TV deployment statistics.

In short, US Television Households (February, 2002) = 105,444,330. Cable Penetration of TV Households (February, 2002) = 69.4%. I can't say what this means in terms of people, but 30% of American homes don't get cable channels -- only broadcast TV, meaning only ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS.

If they get their evening news from these sources exclusively, then they are getting biased information.

-PJ

27 posted on 09/01/2002 2:08:54 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Political Junkie Too
If they get their evening news from these sources exclusively, then they are getting biased information

True.

And if they don't know it - and they probably don't - then they are being led around like sheep by the wealthy and powerful corporations which own the major media.

Well, what of it? If liberals are smart enough to own and run these major corporations then their views should prevail. I don't see that anyone who believes in capitalism has anything to complain about. Our system does a better job than any other of providing real information. Those who are too lazy, stupid, or unlucky to make use of its resources must suffer the consequences.

28 posted on 09/01/2002 5:41:35 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
By the way, I've been posting here for a year and I'm still not convinced that Clinton is an unprincipled rogue.

If you actually believe that statement there is no hope for you, then.

That's more than holding on to formed political beliefs, that's willful blindness. Even most Republicans abandoned Nixon when 'Watergate' blew open. It took awhile but they finally faced the truth, even if Nixon wouldn't.

Clinton was far more corrupted than Nixon ever dreamed of being, yet you claim you are still not be convinced that he is 'an unprincipled rogue'. That says a lot about where you are, politically.

No real hope that I can see. You probably really, truly believe that Gore 'won' and Bush 'stole' the election. Sad.

29 posted on 09/01/2002 1:06:11 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Jim Scott
I used that example to dramatically illustrate a point - because I know how much Clinton is hated by conservatives.

On Gore vs. Bush my position is that Bush won. The Supreme Court is the final arbiter of legal disputes in very, very close elections. They decided. Bush won.

On Clinton himself, 40 million dollars or so was spent in a politically poisonous atmosphere to try to find anything that could be used against the man. Nothing surfaced but a sleazy personal life. Impeachment charges were brought and failed. The Courts and the Congress decided. Clinton is clean. Get over it - unless you have one standard for Bush vs. Gore and another for Clinton.

It is true that - in both cases - new evidence could change the picture but, until then, the verdicts stand.

On the central point of the thread - the effect of bias in the major news media - I think I've made my position clear in my other posts.

30 posted on 09/01/2002 1:35:01 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
If liberals are smart enough to own and run these major corporations then their views should prevail.

Except that it used to be that the airwaves were public and the broadcasters were (and still are) licensed to use them. Part of that license agreement was that broadcasters had a certain responsibility to broadcast Public Service Announcements (PSA's), and the broadcasters used nightly news broadcasts as one of the was to satisfy that requirement.

If you're implying (in fact lauding the fact) that the broadcasters are knowingly abusing that trust in order to present one prevailing viewpoint, and also actively suppressing other viewpoints that they don't agree with, then they are violating the public trust that was given to them.

-PJ

31 posted on 09/01/2002 1:39:41 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Political Junkie Too
Companies of all types always abuse the public trust to one degree or another for the sake of profit. Two classic examples from the past are the railroads and large farmers out West who hogged public water and public lands.

Who's to say when the public trust has been abused in the case of news broadcasting? Do you want to see even more political correctness? An approved conservative, an approved liberal, an approved black, an approved woman, etc., etc.? There will then be zero news of value. Z-E-R-O! If conservatives want a better presentation of their views then they have to compete. They have to come up with shows that are highly rated and have to interest media owners or buy media companies. It's hard? So what?

32 posted on 09/01/2002 2:03:39 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
I'm not asking for conservative vs. liberal broadcasts. I'm asking for a broadcast by people who purport to be neutral to actually present both sides of a story. When you see the nightly news on the broadcast networks, they always go to the same set of liberal experts for analysis and never give sober discussion of other opinions. They always label the side they disagree with as either "conservative" or "so-called" but rarely label the other side. They omit more stories than they present (I know, 22 minutes isn't a lot), or they omit perspectives of single stories and exaggerate other perspectives. They use the phrase "some people" when the numbers don't support he positions that they are pushing.

These are not the tactics of organizations that portray themselves as objective. That's my complaint. With newspapers it's a different matter. But with licensed broadcasts on the public airwaves, they had a responsiblitiy to fairly present the news, and they don't.

-PJ

33 posted on 09/01/2002 2:10:30 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: liberallarry
That's about as close to objective as human beings can achieve

They are talking about TV journalists. They are level-headed; bias drips equally out of both sides of their mouths.

34 posted on 09/01/2002 2:39:47 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: liberallarry
Well, what of it?


Some believe conservative ideas have merit.Some in the general public may have no idea why we like:

School vouchers
Medical Savings Accounts
Tax Cuts
No collecting of racial data by government
Deregulation
Privitization of Social Security
Political correctness
2nd Ammendment....and more...

Our views are dismissed, and worse, ridiculed by news workers who themselves do not understand why we believe these ideas are GOOD for the country. Idon't mean good for Republicans. I mean good for the country.
35 posted on 09/01/2002 2:59:50 PM PDT by lneisone
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To: lneisone
Agreed.

But there seems to be no better way to do these things. Conservative ideas do get a fair hearing on radio, on the Internet, in magazines. Even from the major media, on occasion.

Politics, economics, life. All are tough games. Lots of mistakes are made. Lots of things aren't fair. The only thing to do is keep fighting for what one believes is right. Remember there've been plenty of times when the roles were reversed. And there are plenty of Lefties out there who mirror your views - who feel it is they who don't get a fair hearing, and the game is rigged against them.

36 posted on 09/01/2002 3:32:25 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Political Junkie Too
I'm for more Free Republic. Knock-down, no-holds barred arguments, demands for sources, as many rounds as the participants can stand. And no commercials. TV is hopeless. It's good for dramatic images - and sleazy pablum.
37 posted on 09/01/2002 3:44:47 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
You get what you pay for. TV is free. :)
38 posted on 09/01/2002 3:48:34 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
I can't believe it, but I find myself in agreement with a liberal!
39 posted on 09/01/2002 3:58:46 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: liberallarry
TV is hopeless.

Personally, I think that the elite media in the broadcast medium are on the decline. Viewers are recognizing that they are not getting what they want and are going elsewhere, be it cable news, radio, or the internet. The popularity of books like Goldberg's Bias, Coulter's Slander, or McGowan's Coloring The News, indicates that the public is becoming aware. I credit this as the unintended consequence of eight years of spin, which may have been around for a longer time but was never made into such an unabashedly public sport until Davis' book Spin Cycle.

The thing to see is that the media appears to be unable to recognize it, or they are unwilling to do anything about it. Brokaw, Jennings, and Rather are getting old and will soon retire. Their replacements will not be the "authority figures" of the news that these anchors were (or believed themselves to be). The influence that the broadcasters have will diminish.

The rise of Fox News is telling. Prior to the 2000 election, it was rare to see a Democrat leader on Fox, although Fox would have done anything to get them as guests. The Democrat leaders, whether intentionally boycotting Fox or just marginalizing them as irrelevant, would go to CNN, MSNBC, or the broadcasters. That left Republican leaders to appear on Fox unchallenged. People started watching. After Bush won and Fox would get first crack at administration officials, Democrat leaders started appearing more and more, like when Feinstein made her first appearance on the channel. Even now, Hillary Clinton will not appear unless interviewed by Alan Colmes alone at an outside location. People see this and draw their own conclusions. But they see it on Fox News, not ABC, NBC, or CBS. When they do see someone like Clinton on Meet The Press, they see softball questions and absurd statements going unchallenged.

That is why I believe that the broadcast newscasts will diminish in influence.

-PJ

40 posted on 09/01/2002 4:16:53 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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