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Shelved immigratio issues still critical
Chicago Tribune ^ | August 30, 2002 | Georgie Anne Geyer

Posted on 08/31/2002 1:13:51 PM PDT by Marine Inspector

WASHINGTON -- At the end of last summer, one of the Bush administration's major initiatives was amnesty for Mexican illegal immigrants in the United States. The presidents of America and Mexico seemed all but in love, and borders appeared about to dissolve.

Now, a year later--after the shocks of Sept. 11 and the war on terrorism--where does the question of the mammoth Mexican immigration to the United States stand? How can Americans understand the character and threat (and, sometimes, blessing) of such an unprecedented new invasion?

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
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1 posted on 08/31/2002 1:13:51 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
blessing

BLESSING? Is this guy nuts? Illegal immigration AIN'T no blessing here in California.

2 posted on 08/31/2002 1:30:57 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
Illegal immigration AIN'T no blessing here in California.

Agreed, Illegal immigration is not a blessing anywhere.

3 posted on 08/31/2002 1:53:54 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
Bump


I've been trying to say this since 9-11. I guess I will be labeled as a bigoted American. By: An American Airlines Pilot - Captain ???? ?????????


September 11 Grievances

"You worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.

On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers. So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist. How do I differentiate between the true Arab-Muslim-Americans and the Arab-Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter those very same good neighbors and children? The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of it's religions, with ALL of it's different citizens, with all of it's faults. It is time for every Arab-Muslim in this country to determine it for me. I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know whether or not you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to it's flag? Do you proudly display in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and prosper it?

Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your "Jihads"? Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America? If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it. Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America.

Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. And no more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy ...I am only interested in action. What will you do for America-our great country-at this time of crisis, at this time of war? I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America". I want to see young Arab-Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim communities. You know them. You know where they are. Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals. The very few Arab-Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States prove who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat. If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders" are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance. It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose members defended Johnny Cochran and O. J. Simpson after the latter butchered his wife and murdered an innocent friend. A form whose members (some as young a five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America, the country of their birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly show their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or celebrate Christmas? Do you and you fellow Muslims hate us because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY civilized democratic nation in the entire middle-east? And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then why in the world are you even here? Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our peace and stability? Are you here to destroy us? If so, I want you to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like rats and dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, and your family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, your twisted, violent, intolerant religion. We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world. I want to know where every Arab-Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family. I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand." "Until then ... you worry me." ""




4 posted on 08/31/2002 1:55:12 PM PDT by B-Cause
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To: janetgreen
I believe the "guy" is a "gal", and yes, she's nuts.
5 posted on 08/31/2002 2:02:10 PM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Marine Inspector
Wish I could read the full article, but I have to sign up I guess..
6 posted on 08/31/2002 2:18:41 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
I hate it when I can't post or read the entire article.

I have a hard copy, if you want I can fax it to you.

7 posted on 08/31/2002 2:23:08 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
That's ok....can you just give us a synopsis of this....is it for or against.
8 posted on 08/31/2002 2:25:29 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
That's ok....can you just give us a synopsis of this....is it for or against.

Against. It's a very good read.

9 posted on 08/31/2002 2:29:45 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Sungirl
You have mail.
10 posted on 08/31/2002 2:48:28 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: PsyOp; Travis McGee; Sabertooth; Tancredo Fan; madfly; Brownie74; 4Freedom
Ping.
11 posted on 08/31/2002 3:09:17 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Free the USA; Fish out of Water; Helix; backhoe; Uncle Bill; Patriotman; Dogs in the field; ...
immigration ping
12 posted on 08/31/2002 3:54:11 PM PDT by madfly
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To: RCW2001; cardinal4; ValerieUSA; Republicus2001; joltinjoe; KSCITYBOY; GlesenerL; montag813; ...
Arizona Border ping!
13 posted on 08/31/2002 3:56:01 PM PDT by madfly
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To: Marine Inspector
How can Americans understand the character and threat (and, sometimes, blessing) of such an unprecedented new invasion?

Travel to Mexico and see what the culture made there and then ask if that's what they want to trade America for.

14 posted on 08/31/2002 4:23:20 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Just drive into any of the border cities and spend the day.

Is this what we want the rest of the US to look like?

Everyday, I talk to Americans returning from Mexico (resort areas) and they almost all say the same thing.

"I'm so happy to be back in America" or "Thank God I'm American".

9 out 10 say they will never go back to Mexico.

15 posted on 08/31/2002 4:33:15 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
Just drive into any of the border cities and spend the day.

I actually wouldn't advise that now ---check out the crime rates first. They just had 17 murders in one week in Ciudad Juarez, one of the border cities, one of the big NAFTA beneficiaries. Two maquila workers slain also btw. Why would anyone want this to become our culture??

16 posted on 08/31/2002 4:35:57 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Marine Inspector
La ola de violencia sigue incontenible y apoderada de Ciudad Juárez. Además de otros hechos delictivos, a lo largo del día de ayer fue ejecutado a balazos un mecánico, un yonquero fue víctima de un secuestro exprés, un joyero fue asaltado, dos mujeres sufrieron intentos de violación y en una más sí se consumó el abuso sexual.

From: http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.asp?notaid=5056 but it's in Spanish because it's Mexican news.
17 posted on 08/31/2002 4:37:33 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Gracias, es un artículo muy interesante.
18 posted on 08/31/2002 5:16:34 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
"I personally think that immigration has become the most important element in national security. The perception is that nothing can be done about it, and I don't understand that. We have a first-rate military--we can have a missile defense but we can't have a border defense?

YEAH!! Excellent question!

Do Americans still care enough about the country and about larger principles to demand immigration policies that would bring skilled immigrants, that would better balance all the poor and untutored immigrants with those with higher skills, and that would reconstitute a serious INS? One has to wonder.

They would care if they lived in FLorida, Texas and California! WEll...maybe not California. I guess it has to be really bad before people will start to see that it's a BIG problem and start to do something.
I thought Bush recently toughened border control with military already??

19 posted on 08/31/2002 5:18:10 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
I thought Bush recently toughened border control with military already??

National Guard, smoke and mirrors.

20 posted on 08/31/2002 5:22:43 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
That's very dissappointing. Is there anything else planned to help control the border?
21 posted on 08/31/2002 5:30:56 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl; Marine Inspector
"Is there anything else planned to help control the border?"

Yeah, I heard Bush is going to double the number of orange cones on the borders over the next two years.

"Make no mistake about it!" "Help is on the way!" :(

22 posted on 08/31/2002 5:58:03 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
LOL
23 posted on 08/31/2002 7:50:07 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
bttt
24 posted on 08/31/2002 9:23:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Marine Inspector
The problem as we know, is that middle America has felt little impact from the Mexican/Third-World illegal/legal invasion. Little do they know what is transpiring while they as American citizens are struggling to pay for their outrageously high health insurance premiums, taxes, and day-to-day essentials...

In New Jersey, a regional Director of Human Services here has purplexingly been told by the 'powers-that-be' to merely "give them [illegal immigrants] whatever they need" -- NO questions asked. Seems the "invaders" have obviously infested our government.

Now aren't you all glad the state and federal government gives YOU as Americans such a hard time when YOU try to collect unemployment insurance, catch a break on your taxes, or gain a helping hand in trying to help you kid get some tuition help?

25 posted on 08/31/2002 9:50:42 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
BUMP!!!! Great Post! Very well said!
26 posted on 08/31/2002 9:53:35 PM PDT by 4America
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
I don't think she's nuts, she's just a damned traitor. Calling her nuts is cutting her way too much slack.
27 posted on 09/01/2002 5:09:45 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Marine Inspector
If people knew what kind of life there was over there ---just across the border, they would not be in favor of open borders and unlimited immigration from such a country.
28 posted on 09/01/2002 6:12:44 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Agreed.
29 posted on 09/01/2002 8:48:13 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: F16Fighter
Sad but true. It's the same here in AZ.
30 posted on 09/01/2002 8:52:13 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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