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As an American, I believe... ^ | 9/01/02 | Shenandoah

Posted on 09/01/2002 2:48:59 PM PDT by Shenandoah

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To: philman_36
So, anyway, as an American, what do you believe?
101 posted on 09/03/2002 10:55:36 AM PDT by DinkyDau
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To: DinkyDau
So, anyway, as an American, what do you believe?
What do I believe regarding what? I believe many things on many issues. I don't think I could concisely state everything I believe in a short manner or timeframe.
102 posted on 09/03/2002 11:07:12 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
There is no time frame. This thread will be around for a long time. How 'bout just a few bullets...Mom and apple pie? A car in every garage? The rich have a moral obligation to support the poor?
103 posted on 09/03/2002 11:18:34 AM PDT by DinkyDau
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To: DinkyDau
There is no time frame.
For me there is. I know not what tomorrow may bring and never know if tomorrow will ever arrive. (Mt. 6:34, Ja. 4:14)
How 'bout just a few bullets...Mom and apple pie? A car in every garage? The rich have a moral obligation to support the poor?
I'll go with a few subjects, or "bullets" as you say, then.
Mom and apple pie?
By this, I assume, you're asking what I think, or believe, about "traditional American values". I believe that America today has no real sense of "traditional" values. What we have today are "handed down" values, values which have changed over the course of the last 200 plus years, especially the last 60-70 years. What many "value" today is not represented by our forefathers and their "traditional" values. Whereas they sought the values of freedom and independence, of both body, mind and property, many in today's world seek the values of conformity, dependence and interdependence.
You would have to break down your "Mom and apple pie" into subcategories for me to answer any further.

A car in every garage?
Or, a car in every garage and a chicken in every pot. Well, I have no problem with a car in every garage or a chicken in every pot. How that car, or chicken, gets there is the isuue, I believe. I don't want to be forced to work so that someone else can have one at my expense, that's for sure. Let whomever desires a car in their garage or a chicken in their pot earn it their own selves.
And if you are seeking an ecological response then I think that the "greenies" ought to "get a grip" on reality and stop blocking ANWR and let the drilling commence so as to reduce our dependence on foreign supplies of oil and its byproducts.

The rich have a moral obligation to support the poor?
I don't believe the rich arbitrarily have an obligation to support the poor to start with and as far as a "moral" obligation, all rich persons aren't "moral" to begin with. That is an individual issue, something for them to decide in their own life. How can an athiest have a "moral" obligation? What is his basis? Morality is a subjective issue in this instance.
A "moral" ogligation is usually something imposed by someone on themselves based upon a personal belief and criteria, such as the Bible. An immoral wealthy man can often times be more generous than a man with a moral compunction and their reasons for their generosity are discernable only to themselves. Whereas the one man may see charity as "improving his image" or "gaining political support", the other man sees it as a duty and/or obligation. It's called charity for a reason, and charity should not be done at public expense, but rather from private choosings.

And speaking of "bullets"...Molon Labe!
When the day comes that mandatory confiscation of private weapons occurs this nation will no longer be America.

Any more "bullets" you want to shoot my way?

104 posted on 09/03/2002 12:29:15 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Shenandoah
I like and agree with most of your post. Here are some points on which I would like to offer some clarification:

no one has the right to determine how rich the rich should be.

We shall see the next time there is a pilot strike. FReepers will come out from under every rock and tell all how much the pilots should make.

Terms like "diversity", "sensitivity", and "tolerance" are code words for government handouts.

No. They are the battle cry of those who wish to destroy our culture. Make no mistake, multi-culturalism is all about destroying the Anglo culture which dominates America and the rest of the prosporous world.

So get outta my face with your “reparations.”

Reparations would be the best thing to happen to our nation since 1791. Only when the issue of race is thrown in the face of the white majority, will the majority deal with race in a difinitive manner. Until then, we will vouchsafe the huddled masses some bennies if they leave us alone for another day. This is death by a thousand cuts. Until we face the issue, America will only decline into balkanized chaos.

"Self-esteem" has taken over math, history, and English as the prime objective in American schools, and, unless we get back to educating our children, America is doomed.

No, America is doomed as long as government is the primary teacher of our children. Infusing our children with the gov'ts values is what is killing us.

I don’t believe Bill Clinton fought to save the Constitution. I believe he fought to save his miserable @ss, and that he would have never been able to do so without the unrelenting pressure from the power-hungry Hillary.

Had it not been for our attention to our 401k and stock portfolios, Clinton would have been run out of office. However, as a nation we took the attitude of:

I've got mine.
Don't rock the boat.
I'm so enlightened.

That is what is killing us. As long as we remain in the grasp of affluence, we will never fix what is wrong with our nation. For the health of the nation, pray for a DJIA balow 4000, and a NAZ of 500.

105 posted on 09/03/2002 12:42:05 PM PDT by Orion
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To: philman_36
Wow, Phil!!!

What insightful and astute statements you've made! I mean that sincerely!

And, damn, will you look at this?! Your perceptive thoughts have miraculously made a valuable contribution to Shen's site for future generations to ponder!

106 posted on 09/03/2002 12:59:11 PM PDT by DinkyDau
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To: DinkyDau; Shenandoah
I don't appreciate that, not in the least, and to me it isn't funny. One of the best things about FR is that if someone wants to take issue with anything that I've said they can address me directly. I can also directly address them. What I posted can now be lambasted and lampooned without my ever being given the opportunity of any further reply. What I wrote here has even been changed and the context with which I was answering is completely missed.
Shenandoah's web page says "Do you have any statement you'd like to leave for posterity? email: Shenandoah"
I didn't e-mail what I wrote today to Shenandoah, thus not submitting it for posting there, nor was I asked if it could be posted elsewhere than FR.
No, I don't find this funny at all!
107 posted on 09/03/2002 2:30:47 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: DinkyDau
And I would've spent a considerable more amount of time editing the thing if I had submitted it. I think faster than I type.
Typos are pretty well accepted at FR!
108 posted on 09/03/2002 2:35:56 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
Uh-oh!

My apologies! It's gone.

And believe me when I tell you that I didn't post your statements to be funny. You're right, of course, that the option to post or not is your decision and I shouldn't have taken it upon myself to grab your words.

I really like what you have to say and I wish you would consider putting something up on my site. I don't see anything in what you said that lends itself open for lampooning or lambasting.

Well, again, please accept my apologies. The site, itself, is not an open forum, it is a collection of thoughts that capture the times we live in, and I think you captured the times very eloquently.

109 posted on 09/03/2002 3:03:36 PM PDT by Shenandoah
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To: Orion
Terms like "diversity", "sensitivity", and "tolerance" are code words for government handouts.

No. They are the battle cry of those who wish to destroy our culture. Make no mistake, multi-culturalism is all about destroying the Anglo culture which dominates America and the rest of the prosporous world.

You're closer to the point on this than I am. I just didn't want to be too inflammatory in my statements. Actually, I think "government handouts", in a way, aludes to destroying our culture, so the message is there. I think that "Anglo" culture would be more aptly called "Western" culture, as "Anglo" technically refers to "Anglo-Saxon", or, the English, and most of Europe; Scandinavians, French, Italians, are Western cultures. That being said, I agree with you on your content. The most successful countries in the world with the highest standards of living are Western, capitalist democracies, and there are elements in our country seeking to drag us into third-worldism!

I didn't think of "multi-culturalism" in there. Mind if I add it to my statement?


So get outta my face with your “reparations.”

Reparations would be the best thing to happen to our nation since 1791. Only when the issue of race is thrown in the face of the white majority, will the majority deal with race in a difinitive manner. Until then, we will vouchsafe the huddled masses some bennies if they leave us alone for another day. This is death by a thousand cuts. Until we face the issue, America will only decline into balkanized chaos.

First of all, I really don't think reparations is going to happen. It's just too absurd. Of course, I could be wrong. Secondly, I don't see this as an us against them issue. I feel that we are all in this together and things like reparations wouldn't even be discussed if it weren't for pandering politicians and the left wing media. They're the ones who empower the malcontents and They're the ones we have to nail. In recent times, a small black, conservative minority is beginning to make its voice heard. I believe there are a lot more blacks who agree with the likes of Jesse Pederson, but who have yet to be heard from. I believe these people are intimidated into silence by the likes of Jesse Jackson & Co., but Jackson has seen better days, and I believe the ground swell of conservative blacks will rise and take on a momentum.


"Self-esteem" has taken over math, history, and English as the prime objective in American schools, and, unless we get back to educating our children, America is doomed.

No, America is doomed as long as government is the primary teacher of our children. Infusing our children with the gov'ts values is what is killing us.

Yes, but we are the government and we have to take our government back. That's beginning to happen, too. We've got Bush in office, for one thing. (Please take that at face value. I don't want to get off on a whole different discussion on that) Lynn Chaney has said some right-on things about education and she is in a position of power (more than the average bear, that is) There a LOT of teachers who absolutely disagree with the NEA's position that we should teach our children that no one is to blame for 911. Even before that decision, I had seen teachers being interviewd who have had it up to here with the state of education and the NEA. They will gain momentum, I'm sure of it. So, you wanna put together some of your most cherished beliefs and pet peeves to post on my site? Promise I won't do so without your permission.

- Shen

110 posted on 09/03/2002 4:09:12 PM PDT by Shenandoah
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To: Shenandoah
Sorry to be so late in responding, but work called and my prolonged absence from the forum was necessary. As I stated above I know not what the next day may bring.

I really like what you have to say and I wish you would consider putting something up on my site.
My thanks you for your words of praise and there was no real need for the apology. Upon reading my words again they sound/read as...irate...though that was not my intent.
I shall consider your request, though I'll make no promise.

111 posted on 09/29/2002 7:58:16 PM PDT by philman_36
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WIPE THE SMILE OFF OF THIS MAN'S FACE.

VOTE THE RATS OUT!!

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112 posted on 09/29/2002 8:01:13 PM PDT by Mo1
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