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Harvard professor argues for 'abolishing' white race
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | 9/4/02 | By Joyce Howard Price

Posted on 09/04/2002 5:05:00 AM PDT by DM1

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:39:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Noel Ignatiev, a founder of a journal called Race Traitor and a fellow at Harvard's W.E.B. DuBois Institute, a leading black-studies department, argues in the current issue of Harvard Magazine that "abolishing the white race" is "so desirable that some may find it hard to believe" that anyone other than "committed white supremacists" would oppose it.


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I was pissed when I read this. Like I never had to work for anything in my life. Outrageous! I will be sending a nice email to Harvards today not that they will care but I hate to sit silent on something like this.
1 posted on 09/04/2002 5:05:00 AM PDT by DM1
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Yeah...this is what is being taught at our "elite" universities. What a joke. This guy should be pushing a broom (no offense to custodians).
2 posted on 09/04/2002 5:08:14 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot
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To: DM1
The sad thing is the guy doesn't even have a coherent idea behind the rhetoric. He's just trying to say "racism is bad" in controversial words, but he doesn't even quite manage that..
3 posted on 09/04/2002 5:10:17 AM PDT by Anotherpundit
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To: DM1
Why would you be pissed?

This is just another communist academic doing what he does! Happens many times EVERY day in our institutions of "higher" learning.

4 posted on 09/04/2002 5:10:51 AM PDT by Bigun
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To: DM1
Now hold on, there are some white folk I wouldn't mind seeing abolished. Take bill and hillary, reno and the lizard. the four white commy lezzies(?) in the senate.
5 posted on 09/04/2002 5:12:56 AM PDT by 2timothy3.16
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"keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as 'the white race' is destroyed — not 'deconstructed' but destroyed."

But...that's not racism because it was said by a 'person of color'.

If a white person were to object to it publicly...they'd be labeled a racist, I'd bet.

6 posted on 09/04/2002 5:14:37 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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a leading black-studies department

Yeah, try introducing a White Studies Dept. into the curriculum.

7 posted on 09/04/2002 5:15:06 AM PDT by Puppage
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Among the "privileges" of being white, according to Race Traitor, are not being followed by security in stores, not being harassed by police, having easier access to better schools, jobs and housing, and not being asked whether skin color or affirmative action got you a job.

This man is quite simply a moron.

8 posted on 09/04/2002 5:15:19 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: DM1
Mr. Ignatiev pledges in the essay that his journal, Race Traitor, intends to "keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as 'the white race' is destroyed — not 'deconstructed' but destroyed."

Locked, loaded and if this bastard should ever present himself at my door I will detail just how hard his proposition would be to enact in real-time.

9 posted on 09/04/2002 5:16:52 AM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: DM1
Outrageous commie! As a Jewish person he embarrasses me. He's an idiot. Unfortunately, so many Jews believe the left (many are red diaper babies) and are unthinking about the left.

Other Jews (like Horowitz, and many Jewish freepers like myself) are just disgusted with this horse manure, and let me say, we don't agree at all.
10 posted on 09/04/2002 5:18:39 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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This hatred of white people is starting to make me really angry, also.

If these white-haters want a contest rather than peaceful coexistence, then, they are gonna get it.

The clock is ticking. People have been tolerant of these sorts of attacks, and, they too are getting pissed.

It isn't going to take much longer.

Meanwhile, the white-haters are shooting themselves in the foot.

If I were running an organization, I would not want this sort of destructive influence poisoning it.

So the result of the white hating is a glass ceiling like you never seen before.

And it's deserved, IMHO.

11 posted on 09/04/2002 5:18:58 AM PDT by caddie
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"abolishing the white race" is "so desirable ...

This is advocacy of genocide. BY definition. Anyone making such an outrageous statement against the black race would be summarily executed. BUt in elitist circles, it's okay to loathe yourself. If you're white ...

12 posted on 09/04/2002 5:21:34 AM PDT by IronJack
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Hey, if I scratch 40 points off my I.Q. total and swear I'm a Marxist ex-toilet cleaner can I go to HA-VARD too?
13 posted on 09/04/2002 5:24:31 AM PDT by isthisnickcool
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If you're a minority, then definitely, you can. No brains required.
14 posted on 09/04/2002 5:28:24 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: DM1
I'd venture to guess that the proper name for this fellow is "wigger."
15 posted on 09/04/2002 5:29:09 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: DM1
We have allowed the elitist Universities to build their own agendas at the risk of failing to provide an education to students.

Every professor at one of these no-think tanks should be required to answer a question from a potential student in his/her class: "When I finish your course, what will I be able to take with me and use?"

16 posted on 09/04/2002 5:29:32 AM PDT by JimVT
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Among the "privileges" of being white, according to Race Traitor, are not being followed by security in stores, not being harassed by police, having easier access to better schools, jobs and housing, and not being asked whether skin color or affirmative action got you a job.

Real easy solution to the last one: dismantle affirmative action.

17 posted on 09/04/2002 5:30:54 AM PDT by missycocopuffs
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I'm NOT for arrogance based privilege without merit.

But the guy is an idiot. Intermarriage has shown that EVERY other race disappears quickly as the white race physical characteristics are GENETICALLY dominant in terms of white race traits.

It's curious. I wonder why it is. I assume God has His reasons.

Certainly the "white race" has much to answer for. But the other races are often "RACIST" against their cohorts in the next village, neighborhood etc. The idiot needs a brain transplant and removal immediately from Harvard.
18 posted on 09/04/2002 5:31:15 AM PDT by Quix
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But...that's not racism because it was said by a 'person of color'.

From the article:

Asked in a 1997 interview with the New York Times if he hates his own white skin, Mr. Ignatiev said, "No, but I want to abolish the privileges."

19 posted on 09/04/2002 5:32:13 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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Among the "privileges" of being white, according to Race Traitor, are not being followed by security in stores,

I have worked retail. We watched anyone who looked like they might steal something.

not being harassed by police,

I just got stopped yesterday and I'm white.

having easier access to better schools, jobs and housing,

I live in a decent neighborhood...not the best, by any means, but decent. There are white people, black people and Spanish people living in my neighborhood and going to my kids' schools.

and not being asked whether skin color or affirmative action got you a job.

Well, I can tell you, I have been looking for a job, now, for a few weeks. Believe it or not, I noticed there have been very few white people working where I have applied. I wish they could use some of that 'affirmative action' on me.

20 posted on 09/04/2002 5:32:46 AM PDT by scan58
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To: isthisnickcool
Hey, if I scratch 40 points off my I.Q. total and swear I'm a Marxist ex-toilet cleaner can I go to HA-VARD too?

If you rabidly espouse the correct political ideals, you can. Knocking yourself on the head to lower your IQ might just help you do that.

21 posted on 09/04/2002 5:32:46 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: DM1
And then there would be nothing but anarchy everywhere.
22 posted on 09/04/2002 5:34:06 AM PDT by Sophie
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To: scan58
Among the "privileges" of being white, according to Race Traitor, are not being followed by security in stores.

O yeah? Has anyone noticed the Winona Ryder case?

23 posted on 09/04/2002 5:37:24 AM PDT by Sophie
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To: DM1
I am starting a club to annihilate commie Ivy League Professors from the face of the earth called the Die Commie Die Club. The only requirement to join is ownership of a handgun or a rifle. Of course by annihilate we don't mean we actually want to kill the professors, just means getting rid of liberal agendas, elitist attitutes, other stupidity, etc....
24 posted on 09/04/2002 5:39:11 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Count me in.
25 posted on 09/04/2002 5:42:30 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: JimVT
No kidding all the tripe they "teach" in Universities is not even close to being applicable in the real world. If i knew ten years ago what i know now....
26 posted on 09/04/2002 5:47:57 AM PDT by DM1
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To: Bikers4Bush
The Die Commie Die Club has experienced exponential growth in the last few minutes. At this rate of growth we will have 100 billion members by the end of the year...
27 posted on 09/04/2002 5:52:41 AM PDT by Always Right
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Among the "privileges" of being white, according to Race Traitor, are not being followed by security in stores, not being harassed by police, having easier access to better schools, jobs and housing, and not being asked whether skin color or affirmative action got you a job.

He may want to abolish "beautiful" people too. For they are afforded even greater "priveleges" among the general population. While were at it, let's get rid of Hollywood stars, corporate executives, star athletes, etc.etc.etc.

This loser needs a major freep!

28 posted on 09/04/2002 5:54:44 AM PDT by PLOM...NOT!
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A real journalist would have asked him for his thoughts on the current situation in Zimbabwe.
29 posted on 09/04/2002 5:55:43 AM PDT by ikka
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"The university's public affairs office said it had no comment."

Even Harvard's PR department couldn't come up with anything to defend this guy. I'll bet that this guy did NOT work at a Chicago steel mill and help organize the predominantly black workforce to strike. Can any Chicago FReepers remember the 70's and 80's in Chicago?

Prof Ignatiev wants to reduce the behavior differential between whites and blacks. I guess that means that it's our duty as whites and progressive 'Race Traitors' to go out and commit more crimes. What else could it mean?

This guy may be the son of immigrants, but he is so provincial in his focus on the United States. Everyone's seen those pictures from Afghanistan. Those desperately poor people are whites. Where is their 'white priviledge'?

Finally, race means less today in the US than in most countries and means less today than ever before. Happy miscenegation is erasing race barriers in this country at a rapid pace.

30 posted on 09/04/2002 5:57:21 AM PDT by Kermit
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He was laid off from the steel mill in 1984, a year after he was arrested on charges of throwing a paint bomb at a strike-breaker's car. He set up Marxist discussion groups in the early 1980s. In 1985, Mr. Ignatiev was accepted to the Harvard Graduate School of Education without an undergraduate degree. After earning his master's, he joined the Harvard faculty as a lecturer and worked toward a doctorate in U.S. history.

What a loser!

32 posted on 09/04/2002 5:59:09 AM PDT by 2banana
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"..an article like this can appear in a glossy magazine whose cover story is 'Whither the Art Museum?'"

Anyone who reads any article in a glossy magazine whose cover story is 'Whither the Art Museum' is an idiot... and a snob to boot.

35 posted on 09/04/2002 6:03:51 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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This man, plain and simple, possesses a heart full of hatred and has directed it where he can target the most people, including himself. His hatred obviously extends to himself, first and foremost.

Why would Harvard allow this man in its graduate program without his having an undergraduate degree? I have a hs senior this year who is considering what college to attend next year. I have told her that I value her education too much to ever consider a school like Harvard--and my alma mater--UVA. What a pity to see a school like Harvard, with its rich history, to be reduced to having people like this on its faculty. And they train our state leaders!

36 posted on 09/04/2002 6:05:28 AM PDT by twigs
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Certainly the "white race" has much to answer for.

I'm sorry but I don't beleive in this type of collective guilt. It's exactly this kind of thinking that has brought the reparations argument to the front. No, the 'white race' has nothing to answer for. Some white people do, however. Which, I think, is the point you were trying to make.

37 posted on 09/04/2002 6:08:50 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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And they train our state leaders!

Marxist garbage. It's been in the plan from the beginning.

38 posted on 09/04/2002 6:10:59 AM PDT by scan58
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His dissertation was his book, "How the Irish Became White." Mr. Ignatiev said the book told how Irish immigrants came to the United States and became "oppressors" by emulating American whites.

I've actually read his book, and its a little more complicated than the Times portrays. When the Irish first came to the country, they were looked upon as N***ers. Signs on public establishments differentiated between Whites and Irish. And its true that the Irish became accepted into polite society only by emulating the dominant Anglo-Saxon culture, and by being displaced by other, lower-wage immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe. They were pushed into positions of power by having other, more subserviant immigrant groups thrust below them.

39 posted on 09/04/2002 6:12:44 AM PDT by andy_card
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Years ago Eddie Murphy did a skit on SNL about him dressing, acting and talking like a white person and getting everything in every store for free unless there was a "person of color" present. Then he and the store clerk just went through the motions of pretending to pay for items until said person had left the premises.

Seems some people actually believed the skit.

40 posted on 09/04/2002 6:13:22 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: DM1
BUMP
41 posted on 09/04/2002 6:14:36 AM PDT by RippleFire
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Does that make him a white "Uncle Tom"? I guess we are begining to understand why some blacks use the "Uncle Tom" label on other blacks.
42 posted on 09/04/2002 6:18:45 AM PDT by jstone78
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Why would Harvard allow this man in its graduate program without his having an undergraduate degree?

I have a cousin, regarded as one of the world's leading biochemists, who got his doctorate from Columbia without an undergraduate degree. He's French, and he repeatedly failed the baccalaureate, and couldn't go to college. He went to New York, became a cab driver, and started taking night-school courses at Columbia's extension school. The guy was the most brilliant student any of the professors had ever seen, so they took him on and gave him a doctorate.

Degrees are only scraps of paper. I have four. You know what they do for me? They occupy space in a filing cabinet.

43 posted on 09/04/2002 6:19:07 AM PDT by andy_card
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Harvard needs to be very careful with their current line up of Liberals.

Lets take the line “No, but I want to abolish the privileges“, who’s more privleged then those who attend Harvard?

Minority Enrollment, Fall 1999 (as a percentage of total enrollment) Black = 8%

http://www.news.harvard.edu/guide/students/stu15.html

According to the US Census for the year 2000, Blacks make up over 12% of the population in America. Hey Harvard where’s the other 4%? Hey Harvard you’re down by 1/3 the amount of blacks to equal the percentage living in America. Guess Harvard really only wants whites, what else could explain the short fall?

“like a private club“

Lawrence H. Summers took office as Harvard's 27th president in 2001.

Just another White Guy runs Harvard, when will a Black Man head Harvard?

"He's arguing against the mind-set and attitude that automatically grants privileges to white people he wants more fairness,"

After George Washington's Continental Army forced the British to leave Boston in March 1776, the Harvard Corporation and Overseers voted on April 3, 1776, to confer an honorary degree upon the general, who accepted it that very day (probably at his Cambridge headquarters in Craigie House). Washington next visited Harvard in 1789, as the first U.S. president. Since then, a few other men who were, or were to become U.S. presidents, have received honorary degrees:
John Adams, LLD 1781
Thomas Jefferson, LLD 1787
James Monroe, LLD 1817
John Quincy Adams, LLD 1822
Andrew Jackson, LLD 1833
Ulysses S. Grant, LLD 1872
William Howard Taft, LLD 1905
Woodrow Wilson, LLD 1907
Herbert C. Hoover, LLD 1917
Theodore Roosevelt, AM 1919
Franklin D. Roosevelt, LLD 1929
Dwight D. Eisenhower, LLD 1946
John F. Kennedy, LLD 1956

http://www.news.harvard.edu/guide/lore/index.html

Rich – Harvard’s Endowment is worth over 16 Billions Dollars

Establishment - Harvard College was established in 1636.

"The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race, which means no more and no less than abolishing the privileges of the white skin. Until that task is accomplished, even partial reform will prove elusive, because white influence permeates every issue, “.......

“We want to dissolve that club, to explode it”, I agree, BURN HARVARD BURN.

44 posted on 09/04/2002 6:19:23 AM PDT by Lockbox
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This clown is another intellectual living in his utopian day dreams at the expense of us living in the real world. I'd say we send this overpaid idiot to a place where white skin has no privilege, Zimbabwe.
45 posted on 09/04/2002 6:20:17 AM PDT by junta
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I have a complete picture of Mr Ignatiev - based on a Monty Python skit in which Eric Idle opts to become a coal miner rather than following in the steps of his revolutionary university professor father.

Something about grading papers and destroying the system not being good enough for him...running off to dig coal for minimum wage with his ponce friends.

I wonder if the intended humor failed to come across when translated from faux-cockney into immigrant russian?

And, no, I have no idea what "ponce" means nor do I know whether or not "ignatiev" is an intentional play on words like "ignite"; but I'd bet on it.

46 posted on 09/04/2002 6:26:48 AM PDT by norton
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(.....And its true that the Irish became accepted into polite society only by emulating the dominant Anglo-Saxon culture, and by being displaced by other, lower-wage immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe. They were pushed into positions of power by having other, more subserviant immigrant groups thrust below them.....)

That is true. And those oppressed lower-wage immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe, came to believe that they were better than blacks, and were gradually accepted into the American mainstream. Asians seem to be following the same path, because they are now seen as the "model minority" (i.e. they are not lazy welfare bums).
47 posted on 09/04/2002 6:27:50 AM PDT by jstone78
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To: DM1; stainlessbanner; Constitution Day; 4ConservativeJustices; shuckmaster
fellow at Harvard's W.E.B. DuBois Institute

The ignorance continues ping. Didn't realize the DuBois Institute was so far over the edge. Sure gives the Frederick Douglass (agitate,agitate,agitate) Institute a run for the money

48 posted on 09/04/2002 6:31:11 AM PDT by billbears
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This is classic Leftover Left Marxism, which substitutes race-war rhetoric for class-war rhetoric. This guy is a relic from the late '60s/early '70s. The fact that he has been preserved, like an insect in amber, at Harvard is an indication of what life is like in the looking-glass world of academia.
49 posted on 09/04/2002 6:35:31 AM PDT by mondonico
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To: andy_card
Which describes every large influx of immigrants into any country, anywhere, throughout history.

What you and the author fail to realize is that by coming into a 'new' society the immigrant has, or should have, already committed to becoming part of that society.

Adopting it's values, laws, and ethics.

By NOT expecting that adaptation, and having at least a few immigrant (internal and external) groups sitting around demanding that the society change to accomodate THEM, the larger society places itself at huge risk.

Welcome to the 21th century.

PS: When my mother checked out her ancestery she found the name of the ship her key character came over on (late 17 hundreds) - the passenger list was two words: "Irish Laborers".

50 posted on 09/04/2002 6:38:49 AM PDT by norton
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