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Who actually received the most votes in Florida's 2000 presidential election?
Tallahassee Democrat ^ | Lance deHaven-Smith

Posted on 09/04/2002 5:43:28 AM PDT by do not delete

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To: do not delete
DOUBLE-DIPPING AT THE POLLS: RNC STUDY OF ILLEGAL 2000 FLORIDA VOTES
51 posted on 09/04/2002 6:47:01 AM PDT by I Hired Craig Livingstone
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To: Genaro
What a doofus! Anyone with half a brain knows you're supposed to press 18 and 8.
52 posted on 09/04/2002 6:49:18 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: enron-contra

enron-contra signed up 2002-09-04.

TROLL ALERT!!!

DO NOT FEED or PET!


53 posted on 09/04/2002 6:49:51 AM PDT by BullDog108
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
You just made my day with your add-ons!
54 posted on 09/04/2002 6:49:57 AM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Genaro
Did you tell her "I'm Batman"? Even Batman has to vacation once in a while. Palm Beach is a pretty good spot to go undetected in a 26th floor Batcave. Those Batmask tan lines are a dead give-away though.
55 posted on 09/04/2002 6:50:28 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: blackdog
Yes.
56 posted on 09/04/2002 6:50:40 AM PDT by windchime
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To: do not delete
And again we have the question of what constitutes a vote and what is not a vote. What is a vote means that the eligible voter has FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS. What is not a vote means the alleged voter did not follow ballot instructions, did not properly register, was not eligible to vote, or was too dead to vote.

Counting every "potential" vote is not the same as counting every eligible vote. For example, if that were the case, my potential income could be much greater than it is because had I done some things differently in the past, I could have saved and made much more money. But I can only count the income I have now. What opportunity I had in the past has been squandered, much like the idiot voters who cannot read a ballot and follow the directions.

57 posted on 09/04/2002 6:53:02 AM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: o_zarkman44
Careful there! The supreme court has ruled that the IRS can tax you based on what they "estimate you really made" vs. what you claimed, even with documented W-2's in hand. This ruling was handed down as a method of dealing with those billionaire waitresses, golf caddies, hotel doormen(persons), and intersection windshield washers. Unfortunately it does not define any single profession in the case. It can be applied to anyone at any time. Ironically, one would also be guilty of tax fraud if the IRS decides to apply this method in your case.
58 posted on 09/04/2002 7:01:40 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: do not delete
Now I understand. It is considered more difficult to win against an incumbent. The Dems think Al Gore can win in 2004 if he is an incombent. They still have 2 years to find some more votes.
59 posted on 09/04/2002 7:07:09 AM PDT by maximus@Nashville
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To: peteram
Good catch. Ya think old donotdelete is a demorat plant?
60 posted on 09/04/2002 7:09:46 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
ROFL! Where is Pregnant Chad?
61 posted on 09/04/2002 7:10:30 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: do not delete
I suppose you would prefer that Al "I'm an idiot" Gore were president and you would prefer that he have handled the 9/11 terrorist attacks?

Thank you, but I'll stick with President Bush.

Mike

62 posted on 09/04/2002 7:11:30 AM PDT by BCR #226
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To: Genaro
There was no "26" button so she pressed "20" and "6" and said to me "that ought to do it"

So what would you have done? How did you get to 26? Just curious.

63 posted on 09/04/2002 7:15:04 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: All
One of the loose threads rattling around my head (threads rattle if they weigh heavily on the mind) is the final disposition of the contested absentees. Did some of them, all of them, or none get into the final count?

My recollection is that not all of them had been incorporated into the various counties' certified results as of the date the hammer came down and the official statewide result was certified. My thanks to anybody who has that info on tap.

64 posted on 09/04/2002 7:15:17 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: do not delete
The Gore won author. Military service 1971-1972, Army rifleman, honorable discharge (huh,?)

Any questions?


65 posted on 09/04/2002 7:22:21 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: sphinx
One of the loose threads rattling around my head (threads rattle if they weigh heavily on the mind) is the final disposition of the contested absentees. Did some of them, all of them, or none get into the final count?

None of them were ever recounted and included, but a federal district court did rule that they should be included. The ruling occured the same day as the Supreme Court ruling halting the statewide recounts so it became OBE (overcome by events).

66 posted on 09/04/2002 7:31:21 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Genaro
Entertaining questions to ask a Floriduh voter......

When driving on a one way street, why does everyone else go the wrong way?

What weighs more, a witch or a duck?

If Janet Reno is driving her red truck with a drink in one hand and a 14 year old girl in the other, How long will it take her to get to Coral Gables assuming no headwind and a police escourt?

How many Budhist nuns does it take to launder $130,000 in individual campaign contributions?

If Al Gore is faced with a rice patty on three sides and must cross it, does he walk on the water or does he walk on the water?

If Al Gore has suckered it, picked it, hung it to dry, and killed his sister with it, what is it?

When tying your boot during a photo-op in Vietnam, it it best to hold your M-16 pointed under your chin, at your forehead, or at your platoon leader?

67 posted on 09/04/2002 7:33:35 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: do not delete
The real question is...
How many regular Freepers will take the bait and argue with the loser poster of this C****?

Sure is a great diversion...

68 posted on 09/04/2002 7:42:43 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Sender
Dems only agenda is the WHINE AGENDA.... 4 years of whining will insure republicans gains across the country. Keep whining boys.
69 posted on 09/04/2002 7:48:28 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Publius6961
The real question is... How many regular Freepers will take the bait and argue with the loser poster of this C****?

Too bad the poster has been banned. Seems do not delete has been deleted. It would have been fun to hear his whining.

70 posted on 09/04/2002 8:19:53 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: hchutch
He's been banned.

As he should have been.

I was in a chatroom where one chatter who uses the handle Dosset tried to tell everyone about it. Makes me wonder if that wasn't him

He pasted part of the opinion piece. No one paid any attention to him as everyone knows he is a liar. I copied the first part of the piece there and said it was not an article but an opinion which is a big difference as ar as I can see. Then added Rest of the letter here and gave the URL to the Tallahassee Democrat

71 posted on 09/04/2002 8:21:19 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Between the Lines
Actually, the 26th floor was marked "PH" for Penthouse.
72 posted on 09/04/2002 8:27:56 AM PDT by Genaro
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To: Between the Lines
Too bad the poster has been banned. Seems do not delete has been deleted. It would have been fun to hear his whining.

He had dozens of chances to debate before his/her/its account was deleted. I don't think it was capable of engaging in an intellgent discussion.

73 posted on 09/04/2002 8:28:46 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Genaro
Actually, the 26th floor was marked "PH" for Penthouse.

Thanks. That makes the story even better.

74 posted on 09/04/2002 8:30:11 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: Cyber Liberty
Someone has been playing with the Key Words again. LOL!
75 posted on 09/04/2002 8:34:25 AM PDT by Slip18
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Tea makes me pee

You are a very bad boy/girl. If a tree pees on itself, does it make a noise? :o)

76 posted on 09/04/2002 8:34:50 AM PDT by Free State Four
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To: Always Right
I don't think it was capable of engaging in an intellgent discussion.

If he was a 'rat he could only appeal to our "feelings" and that will never win any arguments around here. Damn us rational conservatives!

77 posted on 09/04/2002 8:35:15 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: Between the Lines
If he was a 'rat...

If, LOL? Who in the world is still obsessed with the Florida election except for the Phil Donahue/Bill Press far-wacked out leftwing radical?

78 posted on 09/04/2002 8:39:55 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: peteram
Hmmmm, account has already been banned.

I wonder how many of the keywords were placed there by Mr. DoNot.

79 posted on 09/04/2002 8:47:15 AM PDT by weegee
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To: do not delete
I still would like to know how many double punched ballots there were. These were the ones that were prepunched for algore and the voter actually voted for someone else.
80 posted on 09/04/2002 8:49:18 AM PDT by gunshy
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To: FreeTally
Not only holding them up but, I specifically recall seeing workers bending ballots, and picking at them.

I remember thinking "Wow.  Ballot Fraud is being nationally televised and none of the reporters are saying anything about it."

81 posted on 09/04/2002 8:52:27 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Coop
Algore Junior was credited with the popular vote nationally but the difference between the top two candidates, George W. Bush and Albertgore Junior was only 0.51%.

If they threw out 2-10% of the votes in your area, we will never know which candidate "really" got the popular vote. Since the popular vote does not determine the President, the exact figure/answer was not sought. Only states with electoral votes in contention were contested.

82 posted on 09/04/2002 8:53:48 AM PDT by weegee
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To: tcostell
I guess that the author believes that black people should not go to the polls to vote, just register once and all votes will automatically be asserted by the Rat bosses.

Might make a mistake otherwise and vote for a Republican.

83 posted on 09/04/2002 8:57:02 AM PDT by weegee
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To: do not delete
Go Lie!

84 posted on 09/04/2002 8:59:14 AM PDT by weegee
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To: do not delete
Q: Why were more errors like this made by Democrats than by Republicans?

A: The social characteristics of Florida Democrats. The two groups making the most errors were African Americans and seniors, who are core constituencies of the Florida Democratic Party. Seniors probably made errors because of weak eyesight and other physical limitations caused by aging. African Americans may have made errors because of the anxiety they are likely to feel at the polls, where in the not-very-distant past they would have routinely faced threats, violence, police harassment, and worse.

This pathetic excuse overlooks two factors.

1. Seniors, who Democrats might consider a "core constituency", actually gave their vote to Bush. Exit polling revealed a surprising edge for Bush in voters 65+.

2. Any black who explains a voting error as due to "anxiety" is making a truly pathetic excuse. And anybody who attributes any such broadspread errors by blacks to "anxiety" is obscenely patroninzing and disrespectful of blacks.

And, while we're at it, let's deal with this piece of crapola:

During the controversy, [the governor and his administration] collaborated either directly or through intermediaries with the legal and political advisers of George W. Bush to:...(2) bend the rules on absentee ballots to allow improperly marked absentee ballots to be counted;

The obvious reference is to the military absentee ballots. Florida state law reads that absentee ballots must be postmarked on or before election day. Overseas military ballots do not carry postmarks at all. Or, if they do, they are postmarked at the port-of-entry, when received and forwarded to Florida post offices.

Obviously, existing Florida statutes did not effectively deal with this situation. As a consequence, due to legal challenges concerning overseas absentee military ballots in prior elections, the state of Florida was operating under a consent decree which required the counting of these ballots regardless of an absent or out-of-date postmark! Instead, they were to rely on the customary affidavit enclosed, affirming that the ballot was filled out and cast by the deadline.

It's one thing for Professor DeHaven-Smith to assert the unproveable. It's quite another to assert that which is provably wrong!

85 posted on 09/04/2002 9:02:37 AM PDT by okie01
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To: Genaro
A little old lady standing next to the panel asked me what floor I wanted and I said "26". There was no "26" button so she pressed "20" and "6" and said to me "that ought to do it"

Next time just tell her to push "13" twice!

Doesn't Roky Erikson live on the 13th floor?

86 posted on 09/04/2002 9:05:22 AM PDT by weegee
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To: okie01
1. Seniors, who Democrats might consider a "core constituency", actually gave their vote to Bush. Exit polling revealed a surprising edge for Bush in voters 65+.

I was just about to mention this. Thank you.

87 posted on 09/04/2002 9:08:57 AM PDT by Coop
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To: BullDog108
Banned as well. These disrupters must be rookies to draw such attention to themselves.

Some liberal disrupters managed to survive for several months before losing their accounts (even when they held to the same old tired party lies about the election and other equally brain damaged ideas).

88 posted on 09/04/2002 9:13:05 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Free State Four
If I dump the oil from my V-8 suburban at an oil well, am I polluting?
89 posted on 09/04/2002 9:15:47 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Leisler
I hope that rifleman knew how to handle his weapon than Albert Gore Junior did...


90 posted on 09/04/2002 9:17:45 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Slip18
Yah, I see. The poster who started this has been banned. I'm surprised this thread is still here....
91 posted on 09/04/2002 9:34:43 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: Cyber Liberty
I honestly believe this is not the last we will see of these items as the election appraoches. Anything that can be done to mobilize the dem base will be done. Additionally, they are hoping that here in FL it really gets out the dem voters so that they can try to either (a) defeat Jeb or (b) look for yet another voting issue to rail about.
92 posted on 09/04/2002 9:40:40 AM PDT by BlueNgold
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To: Cyber Liberty
There is plenty of rebuke to the arguments. There are also a lot of humorous posts that some of us have seen (and some we haven't). Those keywords are great and I'll try to remember some of them for future threads.

The disrupter probably planned to send a least of few of his supporters over to witness his handiwork. The only (other?) support came from another first time poster who was immediately banned.

93 posted on 09/04/2002 10:00:53 AM PDT by weegee
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To: deleted
Your first day and you are already banned. Don't be so obvious the next time.
94 posted on 09/04/2002 10:10:44 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: TomGuy
Heck, they're still VOTING.
95 posted on 09/04/2002 10:12:05 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: weegee

96 posted on 09/04/2002 10:13:58 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: deleted
Related story:

Settlement Reached In Florida Voting Rights Case

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/744508/posts
97 posted on 09/04/2002 10:23:05 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: do not delete
NOW IN THIS RECOUNT, HOW MANY OF THE THOUSANDS OF MILITARY VOTES BILLDO'S ORDERS PREVENTED BEING COUNTED . . . WERE ACTUALLY FINALLY COUNTED???

What rubbish--Gore won the smell of his own farts. And that was too generous.
98 posted on 09/04/2002 10:28:15 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Genaro
True story: When I was in Palm Beach last year I entered an apartment complex unfamiliar to me and stepped onto the elevator. A little old lady standing next to the panel asked me what floor I wanted and I said "26". There was no "26" button so she pressed "20" and "6" and said to me "that ought to do it"

No WAY! This has to be the funniest thing I've read all day!

99 posted on 09/04/2002 1:10:06 PM PDT by paulklenk
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To: okie01
It's one thing for Professor DeHaven-Smith to assert the unproveable. It's quite another to assert that which is provably wrong!

Not only that, a federal court ruled in favor of counting those ballots which did not have post marks, but they were never included in the final count because the Supreme Court ruled that same day to stop the recounts. This guy is a first class hypocrit. One paragraph he is saying it is illegal to disallow a vote because of a technicallity and in the very next paragraph he is attacking republicans for trying to get military ballots allowed, which were disallowed on a technicallity.

100 posted on 09/04/2002 1:17:05 PM PDT by Always Right
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