Primary Problems for Dems - The breakdown of the black-Jewish alliance

NRO ^ | September 6, 2002 | Edward B. Miller

[thegreatbeast]

You sure are emotional. For one thing, I never called you Negro. I used it because it belies the distrust you have in a group that seemingly can't see what is before its own eyes. That's what I'm talking about.
"Hell no! Did I say that it was my idea? Did I intimate or infer any such thing? You have an overactive imagination." It was a question of you. I take it the answer is no.
"Thank God we're not face-to-face. Again, did I say any of that? " Good argument!
Regarding your self-esteemed post#7 : Who the hell do you think owns these issues? The Dems? Are the Republicans trying to hide their support of school vouchers, lower taxes, more law & order etc, etc.? But we have to do something differently to let the African-Americans know these things? Even though the "black leadership" pillories the republicans every single day for pursuing these things?
Major Owens or Owen Majors saying that lower taxes is equivalent to Naziism or Klanism? What do you want to do dude? Buy bigger billboards?
You call me "bigoted AND (accuse me of employing) stereotypical rants." Well, I say, YOUR writings betray a mistrust in your people to understand an intellectual argument. You want the bells and whistles, the shiny cloth and sequins to bring in the rubes. Shame on you.
And, FYI, the thing you want to say is: "I wouldn't piss on you if your heart were on fire!" You have my permission to use it.

[thegreatbeast]

You want to tell that to Thomas Sowell? Because I saw him on BookTV (CSPAN II during weekends) just this past weekend (from 12 years ago) and he would be the first one to tell you he had to hunt out this stuff himself, just as I did. Check your facts, okay?
The truth is there. It always has been. It is better than any information lock-down and won't be hidden from those who seek it out or want to see it. You think buying bigger billboards or sponsoring Soul Train will do it?
Ain't no steppin' back here. Go around.

[rdb3]

You sure are emotional. For one thing, I never called you Negro.

You haven't seen emotion from me yet, punk.

I used it because it belies the distrust you have in a group that seemingly can't see what is before its own eyes. That's what I'm talking about.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. You're nothing but a garden-variety bigot.

Are the Republicans trying to hide their support of school vouchers, lower taxes, more law & order etc, etc.? But we have to do something differently to let the African-Americans know these things?

Which shows your reading comprehension is nil. Since you read my post there, you would certainly realize that I said no GOP member or conservative member EVER campaigned actively in my neighborhood. EVER! Yet the RATS were in every church and on every corner. Who do you think was going to win? All this, and the Right still has the gall to ask "Why do they vote for Democrats all the time?" But I'm not surprised. You don't see that because you don't want to see it. Figures.

Even though the "black leadership" pillories the republicans every single day for pursuing these things?

Now there you go falling hook, line, and sinker for the media claptrap. These black "leaders" are unelected clowns. They lead themselves, and are not leaders of anyone at all. But you lend legitimacy to them. Wow. I don't. And I'm black to boot!

Major Owens or Owen Majors saying that lower taxes is equivalent to Naziism or Klanism? What do you want to do dude? Buy bigger billboards? You call me "bigoted AND (accuse me of employing) stereotypical rants." Well, I say, YOUR writings betray a mistrust in your people to understand an intellectual argument. You want the bells and whistles, the shiny cloth and sequins to bring in the rubes. Shame on you.

Stereotypes yet again.

And, FYI, the thing you want to say is: "I wouldn't piss on you if your heart were on fire!" You have my permission to use it.

Oh, I'm highly educated. I say things the way I want to say them. Now kiss my ass you piece of dirt! I treat you like I treat Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et. al: with pure contempt.

AIN'T NO SUNSHINE WHEN IT'S ON...

[Southack]

"Like I said, it's GUT CHECK time. If conservatives who claim they're "principled" truly are, then they most certainly wouldn't have any fear of taking the conservative message directly to black voters. Right?"

The whole generalizing on skin-color thing only makes the tiniest amount of sense because most people (ooops, there goes Southack generalizing) associate "Black" with inner-city. It's worthy of its own thread, but rural Blacks aren't your typical inner-city thinker. OK, I'm off of that tangent.

Now, I'll go back to the generic assumptions about inner-city residents' politics.

1. They are pro-life. Find any active inner-city church, and you've got yourself a pro-life, conservative crowd. Up until a few years ago, even radical left-wing Jesse Jackson would go into tyrades against abortion.

2. They are pro-vouchers. No one knows the sorry state of inner-city public schools better than inner-city residents, and they want a choice rather than be mandated to one failing school.

3. They are pro-military. There is no surer, more equal, career opportunity for those who don't have a college education and a rich daddy to go work for, than the U.S. military.

4. Lack of support for the radical gay agenda.

5. Lack of support for the radical enviro-NAZI agenda.

Now, if you want to segue away from the inner-city out to the Black Belt in rural Alabama, you'll also find overwhelming support for gun rights and free trade (American farmers need foreign shores to be opened up to our produce).

Take Conservative issues directly to Blacks?

Absolutely.

[mhking]

The truth is there. It always has been. It is better than any information lock-down and won't be hidden from those who seek it out or want to see it. You think buying bigger billboards or sponsoring Soul Train will do it?

It's a start.

But if you remain stuck in the Libertarian mold (you know, "We built a better mousetrap, so everyone should beat a path to our door while we sit back?"), we'll be marginalized by many who would otherwise find value in our message.

Now, if you're telling me that is pandering, then perhaps you should rethink your definition.

he (Thomas Sowell) would be the first one to tell you he had to hunt out this stuff himself,

I still stand behind my statement. Sowell, and nearly everyone else who is black and conservative, had to be introduced somewhere, someway, somehow to the idea of conservatism before deciding to learn more.

[rdb3]

Take Conservative issues directly to Blacks?

Absolutely.

That's all I'm saying here. I'm not talking about "campaigning" from the television or some lifeless billboard. If a conservative is running for Senate, don't campaign in Solon and leave out Glenville! Don't go to Avon and forget about Collinwood! Don't campaign in Elyria or Loraine and neglect East Cleveland.

Show your face. Give your message. That's all I'm asking for. That's it.

[mhking]

Now, I'll go back to the generic assumptions about inner-city residents' politics.

Exactly!

But as long as we let Jesse Jackson tell those inner-city church-going Christians our message - the way he wants to tell it, lies and all - we will get absolutely nothing in terms of support from communities where we should be gaining support!

[rdb3]

I swear. Some conservatives couldn't sale an ice-cold soda to a thirsty man on a 105-degree day.

[rdb3]

"Sell," not "sale." Excuse me.

I'm looking at my outgoing invoices...

[Southack]

"Show your face. Give your message. That's all I'm asking for. That's it."

Yes, and we've got to do one more thing:

We've got to be there before and after.

If the first time Mr. Lilly White shows up in Harlem is to campaign and beg for votes, he's going to encounter some deserved scorn and skepticism. "Where were you when we needed you" and "Why are you here now" sorts of questions.

We've got to take a page from the Democrats' handbook here. It's got to be Conservatives building those houses for poor people. Mr. I-Helped-Build-Houses and Mr. I-helped-restore-this-Neighborhood are going to find an entirely different attitude when they return to check on the area and, oh, also ask for the votes of those who might agree with them on a few key issues.

And how do we get from where we are to that point (above)?

The local Republican Party hierarchy has to start recruiting not from the ranks of its own power-seekers, but from the ranks of concerned, active Conservative do-gooders.

Bob Dole may be a great guy, but he was an insider to Republican Politics and an outsider to Black communities. Let's be honest, even people who agree with him on issues might not vote for him due to that status alone.

Fortuneately, this is the one area where grass-roots activists can actually make a fast difference. We've got to hammer the local Republican mini-elites to recruit do-gooders instead of continuing to push candidates based upon their "Party" seniority and amount of money donated.

[thegreatbeast]

I am sorry, my friend, but all Thomas Sowell did was follow his opportunities to get an education. No one spoon-fed him anything. No one is hiding this stuff! It is there to rejoice in, open to anyone.

[thegreatbeast]

P.S. I'm not letting Jesse Jackson do anything to, or for, me!

[mhking]

If the first time Mr. Lilly White shows up in Harlem is to campaign and beg for votes, he's going to encounter some deserved scorn and skepticism. "Where were you when we needed you" and "Why are you here now" sorts of questions.

And rightfully so. We've been absent. We've ignored that entire demographic. Now that we want it, we have to actively pursue it - without compromising. We've got to be in their faces, in their communities.

What I'm saying is that we need to be ourselves and deliver our message in the communities. When we go to Dunwoody, we then need to go to Lithonia. When we go to Buckhead, we then need to go to Cascade (to use Atlanta-based examples). And we need to stay there.

We've got to take a page from the Democrats' handbook here. It's got to be Conservatives building those houses for poor people. Mr. I-Helped-Build-Houses and Mr. I-helped-restore-this-Neighborhood are going to find an entirely different attitude when they return to check on the area and, oh, also ask for the votes of those who might agree with them on a few key issues.

And that's not pandering!

You can't sell barbeque without smelling up the neighborhood...

[rdb3]

I have no problem working hard at the grass-roots level. But I've got to be certain that the candidate on whose behalf I'm working won't sell me out. That means he or she can't leave me hanging. He or she had better bring their John Brown hindparts down where I am and do some campaigning.

[mhking]

No one spoon-fed him anything. No one is hiding this stuff! It is there to rejoice in, open to anyone.

You misunderstand me. I am not saying anyone spoon-fed Sowell and the others anything; I am saying that the idea was introduced to each somewhere, somehow.

Spoonfeeding is pandering in the worst way. Introducing an idea is not.

With most, it only takes a single introduction to the idea to foster a desire to learn more (Dr. Sowell would fall in this category), while with others (myself included), it took other events to force the thirst for knowledge to come to the surface.

I agree that it is there for everyone to share. But if you are a man dying of thirst, and an oasis is over the next dune - and you don't know that it is there, you will die anyway. If there is a signpost, you'll find the dune and bask in the shade and enjoy the sweet water. I'm just saying that we need to post the sign.

[mhking]

P.S. I'm not letting Jesse Jackson do anything to, or for, me!

On the contrary - (and I'm not intending to be insulting with this example, please forgive me) Jesse Jackson speaks for all conservatives; for the entire GOP, as long as he is allowed to tell people that we are evil. That we are mean-spirited. That we are thieves and liars.

Right now, he has the advantage by virtue of having the collective ears of black America.

We have a responsibility to take that role back. We cannot permit a lying thug to deliver "our message" for us - especially since he creates "our message" as he sees fit. He has no desire to tell the truth. His version of "our message" makes him look good. The truth robs him of his advantage.

[rdb3]

It should be stated here that Dr. Thomas Sowell started out as a...

MARXIST.

But he sure did come around, didn't he?

How do I know he started as a Marxist? He said it when he was interviewed on the Rush Limbaugh show and Dr. Walter E. Williams was subbing for Rush a couple of months ago.

[thegreatbeast]

Perhaps I am completely off the wall on this (placing trust in our educational system) when a teacher can be made to apologize to a woman who can not feel ashamed of her ignorance.
But I read Ayn Rand in the 6th grade because I read an allusion to her in Life magazine.

[spintreebob]

So many good posts. So little space.

Unlike us, most people (of all demographic groups) are not ideological; neither liberal or conservative. They watch football, sitcoms, Bart Simpson. They vote for whom they think their friends are. Knock door to door for your candidate. Don't write off any demographic group.
BE FRIENDLY to all your voters.

Chicago suburbs have many Blacks; even more Hispanics. I recruited two Black Republican precinct captains in White precincts. One really kicked ass. If they can do that, Whites can knock on the doors of Blacks, be friendly and ask for the vote.

In my area I estimate Bush did 30% among the Blacks I talked to....probably over 50% among Blacks in private employment but 5% among Blacks with government checks/ public employment. I know I did 100% with Hispanics I talked to (with the exception of a 3d generation feminist lady on welfare).

[mhking]

Perhaps I am completely off the wall on this (placing trust in our educational system) when a teacher can be made to apologize to a woman who can not feel ashamed of her ignorance.

Some would say you are - I wouldn't. My children are in public school, but there's no way in the world that I would trust the public school system implicitly. That's why my wife and I make sure that we supplement our kids' experiences and knowledge accordingly.

As a result, even with the brain-damaged folks running the place, my kids will get the exposures they need early on.