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Prescription Drugs May Trigger Killing
Insight Magazine ^ | Sept. 2, 2002 | Kelly Patricia O'Meara

Posted on 09/06/2002 9:48:37 PM PDT by Chewy

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To: chuckles
Lots of drugs have undesirable/unintended side effects. Jerry Lewis is the latest prime and notable example.

Not SSRI's, but shouldn't the responsiblity be with the medical profession to identify the available treatments
for what is in THEIR patient's best interest, and go from there?

Prescribing [the effective] anti-depressants is more art, luck, and experience, than science, anyway.

My point is that I would hate to see beneficial drugs go up in price or pulled from the market because of medical
incompetence or patient abuse.

21 posted on 09/06/2002 11:37:38 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: blackbart.223
"FREQUENT: amnesia, apathy, hyperkinesis, hypokinesis, manic reaction, myoclonus, psychotic reaction;

This isn't bulls**t, these are the FREQUENT effects.

Don't hide from reality.
22 posted on 09/07/2002 12:04:47 AM PDT by Gigantor
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To: Gigantor
The disorder discussed here is known as "serotonin poisoning." It's been known for decades. Ever since the
introduction of the first serotonin anti-depressant, Prozac, followed by its clones, murder/suicides have risen substantially. Nearly every one of the perpetrators was on these drugs. Phil Hartmann's wife was one of them. Both of
the Columbine shooters were on them. So was the woman in Texas who drowned all seven of her kids. The manufacturers
have paid out hundreds of billions of dollars in lawsuits. These drugs are not safe. And let's look at it this way:
is depression caused by a shortage of Prozac in the brain?
No, it's not. There is no Prozac in the brain So why are doctors treating symptoms instead of finding out the cause? What kind of a society can make marijuana illegal when doctors write prescriptions for Ritalin (which is related
to cocaine) like candy?
23 posted on 09/07/2002 12:26:10 AM PDT by Trickyguy
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To: demsux
Actually, I read somewhere that tobacco has anti-depressant qualities, but the medical profession would never admit that there was anything good about the genus nicotina.

Be that as it may, I remain bemused by the exortations of "Just say no" in an era when it became fashionable to pump children full of mood-altering maintenance medication, including Ritalin and MAO inhibitors, as well as other classes of antidepressants.

One look at looming adulthood and responsibility through the puberty clouded eyes of adolescence is enough to depress anyone, and most of us went through that transition in a simpler age, when the boundaries were much clearer, much better defined. But how in the Dickens can children overcome the hurdles of personality and physical development if they are drugged with mood altering substances? The basic support of friends and/or family got most of us through. Just part of growing up.

At least with tobacco the individual gets some control over the dosage.

Even so, this makes more sense than running the NRA convention out of Denver (not quite, but close) and suing the manufacturers of the illegally obtained firearms.

24 posted on 09/07/2002 12:36:11 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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the thing to remember is that these people had no anti social, destructive tendencies whatsoever before the drugs. they were simply given the drugs for no reason at all, and otherwise there was no way they would have acted out violently.
25 posted on 09/07/2002 12:37:51 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
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To: thegreatbeast
If these drugs were dangerous to a significant percentage of the population then they would not be on the market.

The same could have been said of Thalidomide in the '50s (Thanks, Mom for flushing it down the toilet. I may not be a perfect typist, but it could have been harder to reach the keys!)

Reality Check!!! Just because a drug has been deemed safe for the masses does not mean it will not have unforseen effects. Besides, if all the school shooters had had adverse reactions leading to psychotic breaks, murder, and mayhem, the percentage of users of the drug would be statistically insignificant. Fourty shooters out of 4 million users (of a single drug) would only be .001%--not even a blip on the FDA radar....

26 posted on 09/07/2002 12:46:04 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: weikel
Eliminate "drug crime," perhaps--but increase general degeneration, I should think.
27 posted on 09/07/2002 12:51:04 AM PDT by Pistias
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To: KneelBeforeZod
the thing to remember is that these people had no anti social, destructive tendencies whatsoever before the drugs. they were simply given the drugs for no reason at all, and otherwise there was no way they would have acted out violently.

Amazing, these folks were just out walking in the park, and some imp just appeared in the air in front of them, and forced them to swallow these pills. No doctor involved, no visit to the doctor, no nothing! It's a miracle.

28 posted on 09/07/2002 12:54:28 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Pistias
Temporarily you let nature take its course and addicts die.
29 posted on 09/07/2002 12:59:18 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Chewy; All
Rx Nation- are our children being medicated to death?
30 posted on 09/07/2002 1:15:14 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Chewy
This lawsuit is based upon BS and the need to have somebody with deep pockets as the target.
31 posted on 09/07/2002 1:47:52 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: Chewy
The Church of Scientology has been attacking Psychiatry/Psychology for quite some time, hoping to replace it with Scientology.

I don't know if the author of this article is a Scientologist, but I did a search and learned she's written several articles slamming psychiatry and has quoted a number of alleged Scientologists as experts.

She's quoted Ann Blake Tracy from International Coalition for Drug Awareness (allegedly a Scientology front group), Bruce Wiseman and Fred Baughman (in her article "Doping Kids") from Citizens Commission on Human Rights (allegedly a Scientology front group), and Peter Breggin (denies being a Scientologist, but his anti-"all psychiatric medicine" stance makes him revered and often quoted by Church of Scientology members).

I thought I should mention it, because something about this just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

32 posted on 09/07/2002 2:28:32 AM PDT by schmelvin
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To: Smokin' Joe
Re-read my comments. The part where I write that drugs are not a one-size-fits-all proposition. Of course, all the murderers might have had the most extreme reactions to the medicines. What of it? The reactions are noted and discussed in the warning literature published in the PDR.
Rather than looking outside for a causative agent, why don't you harken back and consider the dissolute, meaningless lives these two punks were leading? I look at these punks and see them on an express train to that moment at the school when they stepped outside their horrid imaginations and into infamy.
Anybody know if Mohammed Atta was on Luvox? It would explain so much!
33 posted on 09/07/2002 6:40:57 AM PDT by thegreatbeast
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To: Smokin' Joe
P.S. Thalidomide did not make it passed the FDA. Its horrors occurred in Europe for the most part.
34 posted on 09/07/2002 6:42:38 AM PDT by thegreatbeast
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To: weikel
Not all addicts die; new people become addicted and do harm by their lives and their deaths (not just fiscally); not all drugs that corrupt are addictive in the sense of nicotine and heroin...
35 posted on 09/07/2002 3:14:31 PM PDT by Pistias
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To: Gigantor
"Don't hide from reality."

I never do. You are giving the chicken or the egg argument. Which came first.

Did it ever occur to you that people can become evil without the influence of drugs?

This is about attorneys looking for deep pockets again.

36 posted on 09/07/2002 10:21:25 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: thegreatbeast
Would have replied sooner, but I don't even go online every day.

We can blame whatever, drugs, rap music, even (in some really stupid instances) the NRA. The sad reality is that the shallow pursuit of the trappings of mediocre material wealth and pure, simple laziness/selfishness have led to a generation (or more) of children left to raise themselves. A sort of urban/suburban Lord of the Flies scenario.

The drugs are a symptom as much as a contributing factor--a symptom of the devaluation of children in our culture.

All that silly-a$$ed liberal "we are the children", high school graduation pap aside, the next generation is the one who will be repairing our roofs, replacing our heart valves, and preparing our food at some point. I can see no more important investment of my time than in people, especially when a few minutes might change a life.

That said, these children are NOT getting that investment. Not from their parents, not from their schools, where a live body count has more importance (for funding purposes) than what happens there. The support which might have been rendered by the extended family has been largely negated by the "mobile family" in a meaningless quest for "respectable" suburbaninity.

What suffers? The children who are not raised at their mother's knee, whose dad is too busy, whose grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins are five states away. Who are dumped in the laps of people who are 'caretakers' every day, for most of their young lives.

If my dad had heard glass break in the garage, you can bet your a$$ he'd have been out there seeing what the heck was going on.

Are the drugs the problem? Yes and no. In a way they are not, if they are really needed. But just how often are they prescribed out of convenience, (take two and call me in the morning), rather than spend the time it takes to prevent and/or deal with the problems which are a normal of growing up. Maybe in these severe instances, the drugs are a contributing factor, the nudge that pushed these kids over the brink, but, I agree, it took a lot of other factors to get them to the edge.

As for Thalidomide, the year was 1956, and it was used in America.

37 posted on 09/10/2002 8:23:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: demsux
Exactly.

I'm sick of these greedy psychos filing lawsuits against anyone with money.
38 posted on 09/10/2002 8:34:05 AM PDT by Dante3
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