Posted on 09/07/2002 7:38:58 AM PDT by yankeedame
No, they were all in different tribes, but they were in the same area. I've done some reading on this; in fact, right now I'm reading a book on the life of Jesus Christ, setting his ministry, life, culture, etc. in the context of the Mediterranean and Middle East cultures of the turn of the era. According to it, the concepts of honor expressed in this fashion, including a woman's "honor" as being property of and the measure of a man is widespread thoughout those areas bordering the Mediterranean Sea and the Middle East, and predated Jesus's time, never mind Mohammed's.
He had three daughters, one had become very Americanized from being raised here and she wanted to take a job at a fast food place. There was a big argument about it but eventually she was allowed to take the job, her father became suspecious that she was dating.
One night when she came home from work her father, mother, and one of her sisters held her down and stabbed her to death. The F.B.I. came back to check what their bug had picked up over the weekend and there recorded was the girls murder. It was played on the news, it was horrific, her screams and struggle, her father saying "die, little one, die, stop struggling".
These people will never fit in here, never. They don't want to, what they want is an Islamic America. They need to go and quickly. Some diversity is just to diverse to dwell with in safety.
BTW this type of "honor killing” spreads from Africa to Pakistan. This can only be considered the same region of the world in a modern context, not in a historical context.
a.cricket
Jordan is the only Arab country to have ratified the 1998 Rome Statute, establishing a permanent tribunal to prosecute individuals for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes.
Prince Zeid Raad elected head of ICC governing body [Hashemite - son of heir to Iraqi throne]
I repeat... Are you a liberal troublemaker?
The countries listed in that article you cited don't appear likely to offer many Christian women hussies to stone / stab / mutilate ......
...sorry, no vomalert...
...</sarc...
Its logical to the same extent that 'if A, then A' is logical. Can someone explain this idea that Islam is logical or modern? I've heard that before, but still don't get it. But then, flying an airplane into a building has always struck me as not a good idea.
Definitely!! We used to show off by flying through a hangar, but we always made (blank-blank) sure it was empty and the doors on BOTH ends were open first!! LOL
Medieval Murder Marks Tragedy of Kosovo:Young Wife Thought Not To be A Virgin.
The Scotsman ^ | Monday, 26 Aug 2002 | Christian Jennings
Posted on 08/26/2002 3:38 PM Eastern by crazykatz
Medieval murder marks tragedy of Kosovo
CHRISTIAN JENNINGS IN VELIKA GODEN, KOSOVO
HAXJERE Sahiti was married on a Sunday, murdered on a Monday, and buried in the woods the same afternoon. Married life lasted less than 12 hours for her. It ended with the 20-year-old Kosovar Albanian woman lying dead on her family's living room carpet, with seven pistol bullets fired into her torso.
The killer was her elder brother, Ismet. The murder was witnessed by her mother and brother. Her crime was supposedly not being a virgin on her wedding night, thus bringing the honour of her family into disrepute.
Under an Albanian traditional law dating from the 15th century, laid out in a massive tome known as the Kanun of Leke Dukagjini, a husband may return his bride to her family if he should discover that "she is not as she should be" on her wedding night.
Alternatively, he may kill her himself, sometimes with a bullet traditionally given to him at the wedding by the bride's father, just in case.
In 21st century Kosovo such practices are in conflict with the modern democratic systems being introduced by the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation and the United Nations, who have administered the province since 1999.
The Kanun of Leke, which is known as the "code", says that if a woman is not a virgin on her wedding night, her husband may "cut her hair braids" and return her to her family. Any bride whose hair has been cut, says the code, may then be legitimately shot.
That is not how the United Nations Police Force in Kosovo sees it. Ismet Sahiti, who murdered his own sister in front of his mother and brother, and then tried to cover up the evidence by burying his sister in the woods, recently began serving a five-year sentence at a UN prison in western Kosovo.
A number of other related "honour-killings" are being investigated by UN police, as the province's international administration tries to drag the socio-economics of the crime-sodden aspirant statelet out of the traditional absolutism of the 15th century and into the liberal democracy of the 21st.
The UN police post-morten examination carried out on the body of Haxjere showed that she had been indeed a virgin when she died, and that her brutish Albanian husband, Skender, to whom she had been wedded in an arranged marriage, didn't know any better.
Haxjere was a pretty Kosovar Albanian girl from the tiny farming community of Velika Goden, a beautiful hillside village set half-way up a mountain near Kosovo' s border with Macedonia.
The mound of stones and red earth that now make up her grave lie in a tiny cemetery on the fringes of an oak forest overlooking the village. The view is one of bucolic splendour. The air smells of wild thyme.
On Sunday, 7 October last year, Haxjere was picked up from her family home by her new husband, Skender Rrahimi, a 30-year-old man from the village of Zegra, which lies across the mountain.
Mr Rrahimi, described by the Kosovo Police Service officer who interviewed him as "really stupid", decided after a few hours in Haxjere's company that she was not a virgin.
Telling her that her mother was really sick and needed her at home, Mr Rrahimi delivered the terrified Haxjere back to her family house, despite her pleadings that she would stay with him and be a dutiful wife.
At 3am on the Monday morning, Haxjere was dumped at home. Her mother was woken by the noise, as was her eldest son, Ismet, a short-tempered and traumatised former guerrilla fighter from the Kosovo Liberation Army. "Haxjere was saying, 'I've betrayed you, I can never look you in the eye', you know this is not true," says her mother, sitting crying last week under a row of damson trees in the family garden.
Versions of subsequent events then differ.
Haxjere's mother says that the irascible Ismet rushed into the kitchen, picked up a pistol and shot his sister in horror at the shame she had bought on the family, after which her mother says she passed out, conveniently not remembering anything for most of the following week.
David Peace, an experienced American criminal investigator from Louisville, Kentucky, working for the United Nations police in the town of Gnjilane told The Scotsman at the weekend that things happened differently. "By the time we were called in, Haxjere was already buried. At first we were told that she had drunk poison, then that she had been really sick and died. We spoke to her brother Ismet, the head of the household. He said that she had shot herself."
Haxjere's body was exhumed. There were eight 7.65mm bullet holes in it. Her bloodstained clothes were still in the house. It was clearly not suicide. Ismet then confessed to the crime, although Mr Peace estimates that the entire family was involved in the killing and that Haxjere's mother and brother were almost certainly in the living room watching it happen.
"He was a very polite boy," his mother says about Ismet.
"But after the fighting in Croatia and Kosovo he was not the same. Now he is in prison and I don't have the money to visit him."
"What happened was meant to be, it was ordained," says Haxjere's other brother, Ahmet, 20, sitting next to his mother on the grass. He says the family feels that their honour in the village has been redeemed.
"I can look the village in the eye," says his mother "and I'm more worried about my son than my daughter
As far as "liberal" goes, I don't find any political philosophy that I'm in accordance with enough to accept the label it carries, including "liberal" (as currently understood), "conservative", "libertarian", etc., blah blah, whooptedoo.
As far as "troublemaker" goes, it seems to me that troublemakers can be discovered on the basis that they cause trouble. I'd hardly say that any efforts on my part here would achieve that dignity.
When will they figure it out? Living in the past only ensures you repeat it....
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