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Is is just amazing how many of these scumbags are not only unrepetant traitors but are proud of their treason.
1 posted on 09/08/2002 3:42:53 PM PDT by adam stevens
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To: adam stevens
I find it hilarious that they think that their voices have been stifled, since 9-11. You cannot pick up a paper or listen to a broadcast without hearing their drivel. They are mad, not because they are being stifled, but because more and more people are voluntarily tuning them out.
2 posted on 09/08/2002 3:49:43 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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Want to hear the Left? Put six cats in a sack and sew it shut.
5 posted on 09/08/2002 3:53:44 PM PDT by pabianice
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We all know that with enough Kumbayas and hugs and just giving peace a chance everything will be OK. Besides it's all the fault of the USA and Israel anyway. Don't you remember that the US dropped atomic bombs on the innocent Japanese solely out of racism. </sarcasm
7 posted on 09/08/2002 3:54:07 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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Whew....long read...but last sentence says it all. There is no end to the Left and their anti-Americanism.
8 posted on 09/08/2002 3:54:27 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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"I never saw the Soviets, the Cubans, the Sandinistas, the ANC or the PLO as enemies."

I didn't get any further than that as the author is obviously a terrorist sympathizer and fool.
12 posted on 09/08/2002 3:57:50 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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Is is just amazing how many of these scumbags are not only unrepetant traitors but are proud of their treason.

They certainly are living in another world, but at least this guy is trying. He's at least saying that reflexively condemning anything the US does is a stupid position to take, and for many on the left, that's progress.

But there are many areas where he and the others fail to confront their own hypocrisy. Did you notice, for example, that he never mentions the horrible treatment of women by radical Muslims such as the Taliban? Now it's a fundamental tenet of the left that women are oppressed, men are pigs, etc. and that our society can never do enough to raise the status of women. But do they hold anybody else to such a standard? Of course not - they don't even mention it. So they've still got quite a ways to go before the left can be accused of honest argument.

13 posted on 09/08/2002 4:00:03 PM PDT by Joe Bonforte
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Why does the left oppose war on Iraq?

It's really simple.

The left isn't right about anything.

John Miller published excerpts in the NYPost today from his interview with OBL in which the terrorist raghead basically says the Somalia debacle engineered by the Klintoon administration gave them the idea that the USA runs from a fight.

OBL is an idiot.

The USA only runs from a fight when a Democrat is in the White House.

22 posted on 09/08/2002 4:14:44 PM PDT by Rome2000
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divided over American foreign policy

Yea. I’m divided too.

Should we nuke Iraq and Iran today or

nuke Iraq today and Iran tomorrow?

28 posted on 09/08/2002 4:18:29 PM PDT by Lockbox
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What the left needs to cultivate is an intelligent synthesis, one that recognizes that the United States has a role to play in the world while also warning of the dangers of an imperial foreign policy.

This sentence makes sense for the left, the right and the in-between.

31 posted on 09/08/2002 4:19:53 PM PDT by Concentrate
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ADAM SHATZ

Boy, you can say that again.

It was all over my monitor for what seemed like the longest darned time, too.

45 posted on 09/08/2002 4:48:01 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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In a way, it's hardly surprising to see the idiot left campaign against the need for this country to retaliate and fight back after 9/11. After all, they have for years tried to deny the right of citizens to defend their homes. Why should it be a surprise that they do not understand the need of a country to defend itself?
47 posted on 09/08/2002 4:52:31 PM PDT by dirtboy
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The war's collateral effects now include widespread violations of civil liberties at home

Anyone catch this line? One thing that has remained a constant since 9/11, is the Left's pathetic insistance that an awakening for the need for sensible security measures is equivalent to America automatically becoming a totalitarian police state.

48 posted on 09/08/2002 4:53:16 PM PDT by OldFashionedAmerican
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"It wasn't Western intervention, it wasn't Western bomber jets...which went and got rid of Khomeini,"

It was the Iraqi army, backed by the US, that kept Khomenei from over-running the Persian Gulf, something he swore he would do.

Never mind that the radical Shiites of Iran are sworn enemies of the Sunni fundamentalists of Al Qaeda.

This a truism that passes for wisdom, but is actually quite overdone.

Iran opposes the Sunni regimes, but Iran's Shia insurgents and the Sunni insurgents in Lebanon and the West Bank manage to agree to both attack Israel. Iran and Iraq and Saudi Arabia all support Arafat, and it was a ship full of weapons from Iran that was seized recently headed for Gaza. Iran opposed the Taliban, and supported the Northern Alliance, but has also provided refuge to Al Qaeda. And has helped to fund Al Qaeda operations.

Hardly had the Taliban collapsed when a new war was declared, a war on terror with a long list of enemies (almost none of them related to Al Qaeda) and no obvious endgame.

The war was only incidentally against the Taliban, in that our real target was Al Qaeda. And who is Al Qaeda? That is the Muslim insurgency funded and managed from Riyadh. Osama Bin Ladin was their titular leader, but his movement was funded by the Saudis, and facilitated by both Iran and Iraq. They were active in Chechnya, Chinese Turkestan, the Phillipines, and Indonesia. Some of their people have recently taken refuge in Georgia, Iran, and Iraq itself.

Look where we are sending our soldiers and it dovetails quite nicely with the list of countries where Al Qaeda is operating.

In other words, Katz is prevaricating.

50 posted on 09/08/2002 5:03:09 PM PDT by marron
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On the other hand, check out this great quote in the article by Leftist-in-name-only (LIMO) Christopher Hitchens. The subject was the moral advisability of using cluster bombs in Afganistan:

"If you're actually certain that you're hitting only a concentration of enemy troops...then it's pretty good because those steel pellets will go straight through somebody and out the other side and through somebody else. And if they're bearing a Koran over their heart, it'll go straight through that, too. So they won't be able to say, 'Ah, I was bearing a Koran over my heart and guess what, the missile stopped halfway through.' No way, 'cause it'll go straight through that as well. They'll be dead, in other words."

52 posted on 09/08/2002 5:10:19 PM PDT by BCrago66
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I never saw the Soviets, the Cubans, the Sandinistas, the ANC or the PLO as enemies. Al Qaeda is another matter altogether.

In other words, any kind of mass murder and terrorism as long as it is for the glorious communist cause. What sick puppies without any moral compass these leftists are!

55 posted on 09/08/2002 5:25:13 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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"Everyone--Americans and those people who are the objects of their efforts--would be far better off if the United States did nothing, closed its bases overseas, withdrew its fleets everywhere and allowed the rest of the world to find its own way without American weapons and troops."

I can't argue with this at all. I am totally against shedding American blood trying to get the children to play nice.

56 posted on 09/08/2002 5:26:13 PM PDT by Skwidd
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I think what's really driving most leftists nuts is that there are legitimate reasons for retaliation against al Qaeda from either ideological point of view, and this portion of the left is so class-conscious that it would rather be wrong or be silent than be in a boat with the right. They are so defined by what they consider themselves against that they cannot unite with the latter under any circumstances and still maintain their political identities.

Christopher Hitchens has said that our country is a number of things desirable from a leftwing point of view: multicultural, secular, and tolerant. It is hence worth defending. Someone on the right might define the country differently in terms of traditional political and cultural values but still maintain that it is therefore worthy of defending. The leftists detailed here, notably Chomsky, have as their base premise that the country is, and cannot be, worth defending by definition no matter how it is viewed, and their conclusions proceed from that rather insufficiently examined start. And they are mortally afraid of examining it, which is how the Taliban end up as victims in their eyes despite a nature that should be anathema to a principled leftist.

The screeching you hear from them is nothing more than a herd of people covering their ears with their hands and shouting "I can't hear you" when confronted with 3000 bodies in the smoking ruin of the World Trade Center.

78 posted on 09/08/2002 6:18:01 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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You forgot the BARF alert:


98 posted on 09/08/2002 7:39:25 PM PDT by Alouette
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The problem with guys like the author is they have obviously never worked a day in their life. Waaaaaaaay too much time on their hands, and fall into the trap of over-intellectualizing everything. To many, hating the US is nothing more than a fashion statement, really, a coffee-klatch academic exercise in knee-jerk deconstructionism. *yawn*

This fellow couldn't supervise latrine clean-up, but feels qualified to dictate foreign policy. Jeez.

103 posted on 09/08/2002 8:32:19 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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