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ON CNN now: OKC bombing Iraq connection

Posted on 09/09/2002 3:22:43 PM PDT by newsperson999

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KEYWORDS: 1993wtc; 911; fredthompson; iraq; okcbombing; sadddamhussein
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1 posted on 09/09/2002 3:22:43 PM PDT by newsperson999
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To: newsperson999
FBI said mid-eastren terrorist cell of 6-8 iraqi soldiers was in OKC at the time...22 people have signed documents saying that they saw Mcvieh(sp?) with middle eastren males at various times in the bombing plots
2 posted on 09/09/2002 3:24:42 PM PDT by newsperson999
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To: newsperson999
Lou Dobbs has local reporter on...is working with congressional investagators
3 posted on 09/09/2002 3:25:48 PM PDT by newsperson999
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To: glorygirl
Please ping.
4 posted on 09/09/2002 3:26:35 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: newsperson999
If this breaks in a big way, it'll give us ample reason to attack Iraq, as well as a huge exposure of Clinton...
5 posted on 09/09/2002 3:27:07 PM PDT by Lamont Cranston
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To: Lamont Cranston
it's over now..you can catch the rerun later
6 posted on 09/09/2002 3:28:07 PM PDT by newsperson999
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To: newsperson999
Could this be the 'evidence' against Iraq GW was talking about? Enquiring minds want to know.
7 posted on 09/09/2002 3:28:16 PM PDT by Pern
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To: newsperson999
but..but...but...they always told us it was right wing extremists!

You don't think the previous administration lied to the American people for crass political purposes, do you?

8 posted on 09/09/2002 3:29:00 PM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: Lamont Cranston
If this breaks in a big way, it'll give us ample reason to attack Iraq, as well as a huge exposure of Clinton...

Clinton seemed all too happy to blame OKC on right wing kooks.

Anyone who is watching CNN right now, please post if Terry Nichols' alleged connection to muslim terrorists from the Phillipines is mentioned.

9 posted on 09/09/2002 3:30:25 PM PDT by caa26
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To: Senator Pardek; *OKCbombing; Alamo-Girl; Gary Aldrich; amom; archy; aristeides; AtticusX; ...
Shoot! Just missed it. I was replying to a private freepmail and had John Gibson on...oh well, it's definitely mainstream now, for all the doubters. Maybe somebody should check Ari's briefing today on whitehouse.gov, to see if anything was said. Gotta go now, but will be back online late tonight -gg
10 posted on 09/09/2002 3:30:46 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: OKCSubmariner
I guess with the recent cold feet of the Euros the admin decided to play the OKC-Iraq card, kept close to the vest to hide FBI politics, incompetence, and obsessions with winning prosecutions rather than the "whole trueht".
11 posted on 09/09/2002 3:31:43 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: newsperson999
Obviously the government is starting to furnish stories to push the war. GOOD!
12 posted on 09/09/2002 3:32:02 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: Brian Mosely
but..but...but...they always told us it was right wing extremists!

And it was--unless you're saying that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had nothing to do with it.

You don't think the previous administration lied to the American people for crass political purposes, do you?

The indictments against Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and Michael Fortier all mentioned "unnamed others."

13 posted on 09/09/2002 3:35:08 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Lamont Cranston
Total exposure of Clinton. He used OKC to save his *ss. It is where he created the vast right wing conspiracy and demonized the right. Next stop: TWA Flt 800. Then: Vince Foster. Then: Juanita Broaddrick.
14 posted on 09/09/2002 3:35:10 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
Total exposure of Clinton...

It's about time. This is gonna be huge...

15 posted on 09/09/2002 3:36:47 PM PDT by Lamont Cranston
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To: newsperson999

16 posted on 09/09/2002 3:37:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: doug from upland
He used OKC to save his *ss

At the moment OKC occurred, the entire country was in a tizzy about Donna Shalala's comment that we didn't send our best and brightest to Viet Nam.

OKC saved the bent one's presidency.

17 posted on 09/09/2002 3:39:54 PM PDT by bankwalker
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To: glorygirl; All
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gg, thanks for the ping- I'm taking care of kitchen duties & missed it, but it's sufficient that millions more Americans have been exposed to a "tip of the iceberg" that we here have seen for some time...

18 posted on 09/09/2002 3:41:40 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: doug from upland
Next stop: TWA Flt 800. Then: Vince Foster. Then: Juanita Broaddrick.

You're dreaming.

Not with the current administration. They've helped paper over so many Clinton Crimes that it just defies belief.

ML/NJ

19 posted on 09/09/2002 3:41:53 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Poohbah
And it was--unless you're saying that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had nothing to do with it.

Not at all...

The indictments against Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and Michael Fortier all mentioned "unnamed others."

I'm aware of that...it's just a whole lot of people aren't...they didn't put out a lot of effort to find those "unnamed others" either, did they?

Boy, if this is true...I can't believe Dobbs ran this...unless...

Damn...this certainly opens up one HELL of a can of worms, doesn't it?

20 posted on 09/09/2002 3:42:09 PM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: newsperson999
it's over now..you can catch the rerun later.

When is the rerun?

21 posted on 09/09/2002 3:49:26 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: All
Michael Smerconish, talk host on WPHT in Philly, had the lady with Lou Dobbs on last week. She will be coming to Philly on October 2nd for a 2 hour forum where she is to lay out all the evidence she has managed to gather pointing to an Iraq/OKC connection.

I believe that McVeigh was involved but after reading the piece by Micah Morrison in the WSJ last week, and listening to Jayna Davis, I am starting to believe there is something there.

MoodyBlu
22 posted on 09/09/2002 3:49:45 PM PDT by MoodyBlu
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To: glorygirl
Thanks for the ping. This is the second big crack in the
media dam(n)...the first being the WSJ editorial.
23 posted on 09/09/2002 3:51:55 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: doug from upland
Next stop: TWA Flt 800. Then: Vince Foster.

WHEN is Mark Fuhrman going to start work on writing a book about the Foster case? Yeah, I know he promised another book first but next year is the 10th anniversary of the Vince Foster "suicide." It would be good timing for a book on the Foster case to be release on that anniversary.

24 posted on 09/09/2002 3:52:28 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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bump
25 posted on 09/09/2002 3:55:09 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: Brian Mosely
I'm aware of that...it's just a whole lot of people aren't...they didn't put out a lot of effort to find those "unnamed others" either, did they?

Don't confuse "not holding a press conference every day" with "not a whole lot of effort."

Also, methinks that McVeigh deliberately arranged to get himself arrested early (his behavior went well beyond "peculiar" and into "arrest me, flatfoot!"), in order to allow others to escape.

I've heard one guy say that ol' Timmy might have had GWS.

26 posted on 09/09/2002 3:55:36 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: caa26
The FBI under Mueller and Ashcroft also seem to want to do the same thing with last year's anthrax attack, although there's some strong "coincidental" ties between Atta's gang and the anthrax attack.
27 posted on 09/09/2002 3:57:17 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: Poohbah
I've heard one guy say that ol' Timmy might have had GWS.

GWS?

28 posted on 09/09/2002 3:59:46 PM PDT by seamus
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To: newsperson999
Boy if this is true, then I bet Ashcroft feels stupid. He couldn't wait to snuff the one guy who could connect the Iraqis to OKC....Tim McVeigh!
29 posted on 09/09/2002 4:01:10 PM PDT by hove
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To: seamus
GWS = Gulf War Syndrome (or Groupware Server, if you're a geek :o)
30 posted on 09/09/2002 4:01:16 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: hove
He couldn't wait to snuff the one guy who could connect the Iraqis to OKC....Tim McVeigh!

Someone else HAS connected the Iraqis to OKC, so Timmy was obviously not the only guy who could do so. And Timmy wasn't going to rat anyone out--he viewed himself as some sort of brave, glorious warrior.

31 posted on 09/09/2002 4:02:35 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: martin_fierro
No police sketch done from eyewitness memory is going to be as accurate as a photograph. There will inevitably be some differences in detail between such a sketch and the actual appearance of the real person. But the resemblance between OKC's John Doe #2 and Padilla (sp?) is uncanny. Does anyone know what age Padilla would have been back then?
32 posted on 09/09/2002 4:03:45 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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33 posted on 09/09/2002 4:06:13 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Poohbah
The indictments against Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and Michael Fortier all mentioned "unnamed others."

If it was your wife or child who was killed by McVeigh and "others", would you stop looking for the "others"? The FBI did, and actively discouraged further inquiry.

It's bad enough that we had murderous traitors like McVeigh and Nichols running around our nation. How about their enablers in the FBI?

34 posted on 09/09/2002 4:06:42 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: newsperson999
I have a personal hypothesis about Mr. Mcveigh. I think that he actually thought of himself as a patriot, and an enemy of a rogue government rather than an enemy of the Country. Further, I think that he believed that he was running his own operation to punish an out-of-control government for its misconduct.

I think he believed that he had found the resources and support he needed through his militia contacts, when in fact the Al Quaida found him and used him for their own scheme, and then abandoned him. And I think the reason he stopped his appeals was that he finally realized what a mistake he had made, and simply never wanted the story to come out. I believe that his execution without extracting more information from him was a serious mistake, but typical of the justice department at the time.

Any thoughts on this?
35 posted on 09/09/2002 4:09:56 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: PJ-Comix
I don't know. I had sent Fuhrman an e-mail several months ago telling him that the FReepers were prepared to help.
36 posted on 09/09/2002 4:10:40 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: Poohbah
Poohbah, you have touched on something I have gradually come to believe about McVeigh, which is that he committed a form of "suicide by cop." There are aspects of his actions on the day of and subsequent to the bombing that are evocative of a suicide bomber. I think you may have hit very close to the truth.
37 posted on 09/09/2002 4:11:50 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: Wolfstar
My first reaction to McVeigh getting arrested in the manner he was was to say, "WTF is this, Amateur Night?"
38 posted on 09/09/2002 4:15:48 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: MainFrame65
It's certainly a very plausible scenario. It wouldn't be too hard to manipulate a tightly wound "patriot" like McVeigh, who is seething with rage over Waco and other perceived signs of a "rogue" government. Also, as I mentioned in response to Poobah, there seemed to be clear suicide bomber characteristics to McVeigh's behavior.
39 posted on 09/09/2002 4:18:24 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: doug from upland
You're gonna get arrested if you don't stop smoking that stuff.
40 posted on 09/09/2002 4:20:58 PM PDT by gunshy
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To: newsperson999
Well, if we learned anything from TWA Flight 800, eye witnesses mean nothing.(1)

(1) This spin courtousy of the FBI, the NTSB, the federal government at all levels, the nation's major news outlets,  local law enforcement and most US Citizens

41 posted on 09/09/2002 4:25:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: newsperson999; OKCSubmariner
Big Bump to OKC Submariner !!!!!!!
Kudos to OKC Submariner !!!!!!!
42 posted on 09/09/2002 4:27:00 PM PDT by Donald Stone
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To: Poohbah
Timmy died pre-09/11. Would he have eventually confirmed details discovered elsewhere? Whould have have had a change of heart and talked? We'll never know. But if it might save one future life, I sure wish we had that option.
43 posted on 09/09/2002 4:29:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Timmy died pre-09/11. Would he have eventually confirmed details discovered elsewhere? Whould have have had a change of heart and talked? We'll never know. But if it might save one future life, I sure wish we had that option.

I really don't think he would have talked. And it was actually rather breath-taking to watch the folks who usually say "Hang the worthless SOB immediately if not sooner" suddenly sound like liberals: "We must try to understand his rage, and what made him do this terrible deed, and see if he will shed light on his co-conspirators."

44 posted on 09/09/2002 4:32:18 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Wolfstar
I believe he was still thinking of himself as a righteous hero as he walked away from the truck. The realization of his monstrous crime, and the shame of having been used by the enemy, came later. And he chose to die in silence, as quickly and painlessly as possible, rather than to admit how badly he had failed his Country, tell the whole story, and help find the plotters. He played the brave, silent soldier, but actually died a coward, unable to own up to his failure.
45 posted on 09/09/2002 4:32:34 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: MainFrame65
I also believe this was a strong possiblity as to why he did not implicate anyone else. It may be that the CIA and or NSA has information that they have not shared because it may implicate their failure to act as well.
46 posted on 09/09/2002 4:41:12 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: MainFrame65
Your theory doesn't explain why McVeigh changed his mind, and allowed his lawyers to make the final appeals in the last couple of months of his life, after the Justice Department admitted concealing evidence.
47 posted on 09/09/2002 4:47:09 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Mat_Helm
I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but I am afraid we are not yet close to having a functioning justice department. And I am just hoping that change is moving in the right direction. The James Kopp case really makes me wonder if the FBI has anything at all to do with the concept of "justice."
48 posted on 09/09/2002 4:47:44 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: Lamont Cranston
If this breaks in a big way, it'll give us ample reason to attack Iraq, as well as a huge exposure of Clinton...

My money is on the first half being true, the second half not happening!

49 posted on 09/09/2002 4:49:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: aristeides
True, and I don't pretend to have any evidence. One possibility is that the late appeals did not involve any new admissions or evidence from him, and would not require any testimony. Just a thought....
50 posted on 09/09/2002 4:50:24 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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