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Opinion Journal ^ | 9/9/2002

Posted on 09/09/2002 4:42:13 PM PDT by ArcLight

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

According to James Taranto's column today, THIS is the poster being displayed by Islamic fanatics in London gathering to CELEBRATE the Sept. 11 attack.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: loonies; muslims; outrage

1 posted on 09/09/2002 4:42:13 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: ArcLight
"Extremist muslim clerics will meet in London on September 11 to celebrate the anniversary of al-Qaeda's attacks on America and to launch an organisation for Islamic militants.

The conference, which will be attended by the most radical mullahs in Britain, will argue that the atrocities were justified because Muslims must defend themselves against armed aggression.

It will launch the Islamic Council of Britain (ICB), which will aim to implement sharia law in Britain and will welcome al-Qa'eda sympathisers as members. The conference, to be held at Finsbury Park mosque, north London, will be attended by followers of militant groups and chaired by their Muslim leaders, including Omar Bakri Mohammed, whose al-Muhajiroun group wants to establish a worldwide Islamic state.

Mr Mohammed, 44, who was born in Syria and lives in London, has been investigated by Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist squad for anti-semitic statements. He said: 'The people at this conference look at September 11 like a battle, as a great achievement by the mujahideen against the evil superpower. I never praised September 11 after it happened but now I can see why they did it.'"

[Source: "London to host Islamic 'celebration' of Sept 11" , Thair Shaikh, London Telegraph, 08/09/2002]
2 posted on 09/09/2002 4:45:11 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: ArcLight
They probably had several of their own people stationed around town to take photos.
3 posted on 09/09/2002 4:45:53 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ArcLight
I saw them talk about it on Fox News and they used that picture.
4 posted on 09/09/2002 4:46:32 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: B-Chan
It will be an excellent day for Tony Blair to put some punch into his pledge.
5 posted on 09/09/2002 4:47:19 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: B-Chan
The poster has been all over American television( just saw it on Nachman).

Has made me mad at the pathetic bastards again.

Screw em.
6 posted on 09/09/2002 4:48:49 PM PDT by catonsville
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To: ArcLight
You hope that American intelligence agencies will be there in force filming these bastards but you can't count on it, I mean do you have any confidence in the f.b.i. c.i.a. or any of the other alphebet agencies? I could go on and try to instigate violence but I hope the britts take that job on themselves.
7 posted on 09/09/2002 4:49:28 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: ArcLight
Well, golly gee whiz!

Since we know who they are, who they support, and where they will be and when, why don't we just go get the S.O.B.s when they have their little party?

Nik
8 posted on 09/09/2002 4:51:07 PM PDT by Nik Naym
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To: ArcLight; All
That poster, advertising the 'celebration', appears in Thair Shaikh's Telegraph article, which is discussed here.
9 posted on 09/09/2002 4:53:06 PM PDT by dighton
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To: B-Chan
The conference, which will be attended by the most radical mullahs in Britain, will argue that the atrocities were justified because Muslims must defend themselves against armed aggression.

I guess that they're arguing that the towers fired the first shot?
10 posted on 09/09/2002 4:55:12 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: catonsville
Visit ground zero to get even madder.
11 posted on 09/09/2002 5:02:24 PM PDT by alisasny
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To: B-Chan
..."And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime."

September 20, 2001 President Declares "Freedom at War with Fear"

Does this mean Britain?

12 posted on 09/09/2002 5:02:52 PM PDT by lsee
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To: ArcLight
of course they're celebrating it ... they're following the will of Allah ...



http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

"The Women" [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

The Dinner Table - [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.

The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY ALLAH DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS)

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE)

The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD)

The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

"Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility." - Koran 9: 29

".... I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS], and smite all their finger tips of them [CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS]." - Koran 8: 12

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - Koran 9: 73

"When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47: 4

"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...." - Koran 5: 33-34

" Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued." - Koran 9: 29

"....the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth." - Koran 9: 30

"....the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." - Koran 98: 1-8

"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'" - Koran 22: 19-22, 23

"And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds. " - Koran 31-37


13 posted on 09/09/2002 5:03:07 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Joe Boucher
They banned the private ownership of guns in the UK so that the radical Islamic death cult could be free from fear.
14 posted on 09/09/2002 5:07:40 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: ArcLight
This is quite correct. I've seen the web page itself, but didn't write it down, as I was just sending it as a link.
You should find a link somewhere in today's postings.
15 posted on 09/09/2002 5:10:02 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: ArcLight
Muslim leader warns Blair

Another Muslim jihadist in Birmingham, England- this one a psychiatrist working in the public health system.

16 posted on 09/09/2002 5:16:52 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: ArcLight
          Finsbury Park Mosque

              Where it will start.
17 posted on 09/09/2002 5:21:53 PM PDT by Consort
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To: ArcLight
Maybe someone will start a thread where we can record all the Moslem condemnations of the terrorist. I am sure it will NOT take up much disk space.
18 posted on 09/09/2002 5:30:05 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Jimer

19 posted on 09/09/2002 5:32:27 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: ArcLight
Let them celebrate. In fact, get them to gather in one venue for the party. Then post the coordinates.
20 posted on 09/09/2002 5:35:32 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: ArcLight
THIS is the poster being displayed by Islamic fanatics in London gathering to CELEBRATE the Sept. 11 attack.

Hell,they've got noting on US. The "Toady Show" with perky little Kommie Katie and Matt Liar will be celebrating Bin Laden's "victory" for a full 6 hours tomorrow. They ain't the only ones,either. The other networks will be trying to outdo them so THEY can get the advertising dollars.

21 posted on 09/09/2002 5:36:16 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: catonsville
Has made me mad at the pathetic bastards again.

What made you stop? I sure haven't.

22 posted on 09/09/2002 5:43:11 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: ArcLight
James Taranto, of the Wall St Journal, is one of the only journalists in American willing to point out just how much hatred there is for the US in this so called "religion of peace." God bless him.
23 posted on 09/09/2002 6:05:05 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Bobby777
WOW-that is UGLY WORDING...really NASTY STUFF. Is that the crap Muslims believe in? Geeez. They are barbarians. That is not a religion-that is a terrorist document regarding the treatment of other human beings who do not follow the Muslim religion. What a load of crap. No wonder the Arabian men are so cowardly-attack innocents and mistreat women. They are surely impotent, psychotic jerks to believe in this hatred.
24 posted on 09/09/2002 6:16:09 PM PDT by Republic
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To: ArcLight
England, from what I understand, has pretty strict speech codes and anything that can be perceived as offensive or threatening is grounds for arrest, trial, and fines and or jail.

England could finance their health care system for a decade if they enforce these laws on the Islamic Terrorist meeting.

25 posted on 09/09/2002 6:43:45 PM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Republic
yep ... it's real ... I've been posting a version of this on several sites since the 2000 Intifada began against Israel ... this is what the clerics and "prophets" scream from loudspeakers against Israel, the United States, Judaism and Christianity in general ... this is why they strap bombs to themselves and head into restaurants full of people who have never done anything to them ... or steal airplanes and ram them into buildings after killing the flight crew ... no, there are no 72 virgins in the koran itself, but there's plenty of other stuff ...

supposedly, the book they were giving out at North Carolina University did not include references to chapters 2 and 5, some of the most violent ... so the UNC students thought their "course" was not too bad ... they never got the full story ...
26 posted on 09/09/2002 7:30:31 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Republic
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/747594/posts
27 posted on 09/09/2002 7:58:53 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Phantom Lord
I'm thinking that they could take care of this rally in two easy steps. First, announce to all of the soccer fans that there is going to be a soccer match between England and some especially hated opponent, with free beer for all who attend.

Second, schedule this match for the same time and place as this Muslim rally. And give the police the day off.

Problem solved.

28 posted on 09/09/2002 8:02:36 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: catonsville
The Islamofascists have an unlimited ability to piss Americans off. I remember especially during the Afghan campaign, there'd be video of the B-52's attacking the Taliban lines and I get a tinge of pity for the poor b*st*rds. Then they'd go and do or say something so outrageous and depraved that I'd cheer the next Daisy Cutter.

Here they go again with this "Towering Day in History" cr*p! The utter lack of humanity of these people is really difficult to believe. The commies and nazis at least promised a better life for their people. These guys are a death cult than make Jim Jones look rational.

29 posted on 09/09/2002 8:35:22 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Kermit
Maybe we should also be wearing WWJWD What would John Wayne do ? bracelets.
30 posted on 09/09/2002 8:44:41 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: muir_redwoods
"Extremist muslim clerics will meet in London on September 11 to celebrate the anniversary of al-Qaeda's attacks on America and to launch an organisation for Islamic militants."

Ok...now WHERE is this meeting? WHAT time? Oh ok....we'll be sure to DROP IN!!!!! :o

31 posted on 09/09/2002 8:48:55 PM PDT by BossLady
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To: ArcLight

KABOOM!!!!

Oops, sorry, we were just testing the directional indicators on our missiles. Didn't mean to actually launch ALL of our live ones!!!!

32 posted on 09/09/2002 9:28:00 PM PDT by trussell
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To: ArcLight
I've got a feeling that 9-11 and maybe 9-12 is going to be a big day in London, especially since Blair has made it clear where he stands on the Iraq question. I expect fisticuffs to break out, at the least, between some enterprising young Brits and the Muslims.
33 posted on 09/09/2002 10:30:03 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: ArcLight
More unbelievable than that is their ability to continue to migrate to the USofA and we welcome them with open arms. I hope Bush is ready for the heat he is going to take if another attack happens. It is not in the American psyche to put up with terrorists or those that enable them.
34 posted on 09/09/2002 10:33:01 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: ArcLight
Enlighten them over their holy city of Mecca, with the light of a thousand suns!
35 posted on 09/09/2002 10:51:54 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: MadIvan
Have you seen this yet?
36 posted on 09/09/2002 10:52:09 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: Tony in Hawaii
Have you seen this yet?

I haven't seen this poster and I am in the centre of London. It must be kept to the Muslim enclaves, where, as you might imagine, I don't go. ;)

Regards, Ivan

37 posted on 09/09/2002 11:13:56 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
You might want to take your pet pig for a walk through there, just this once.

38 posted on 09/09/2002 11:41:00 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: Tony in Hawaii
You might want to take your pet pig for a walk through there, just this once.

The thought of finding a working Lancaster bomber, loading it with hot pig fat and dropping it on the enclaves has occured to me.

Regards, Ivan

39 posted on 09/10/2002 12:48:50 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: The KG9 Kid
That isn't the only reason the idiots banned guns but now that they did the only folks with guns are the bad guys and a few cops.
England over the years has allowed loads of scum from around the world to emmigrate to their country as have we.
40 posted on 09/10/2002 1:38:47 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: MadIvan
How do the British feel about the masses of Third-World immigrants who have been landing on their shores for the last twenty years? Is there the same cultural divide in England as there is in the U.S.: the people being overwhelmingly in favor of limiting immigration, while the politicians allow it to go on?

My opinion: this is what socialized medicine has wrought. The Baby Boomers never bothered to reproduce and to replace their numbers, so their retirement would be a financial disaster for any nation that didn't allow in untold numbers of immigrants to pay for the old folks' medical care.
41 posted on 09/10/2002 1:43:51 AM PDT by Calico Cat
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To: Calico Cat
How do the British feel about the masses of Third-World immigrants who have been landing on their shores for the last twenty years?

In my opinion, the feelings range from mild resentment to simmering dislike.

Is there the same cultural divide in England as there is in the U.S.: the people being overwhelmingly in favor of limiting immigration, while the politicians allow it to go on?

Yes.

My opinion: this is what socialized medicine has wrought. The Baby Boomers never bothered to reproduce and to replace their numbers, so their retirement would be a financial disaster for any nation that didn't allow in untold numbers of immigrants to pay for the old folks' medical care.

Not really. What happens is this - as societies become more affluent, birth rates generally go down. It is becoming more and more expensive to raise a child as we become wealthier (I know that sounds odd, but a child 30 years ago didn't need an XBox) and birth control is more readily available.

Socialised medicine hasn't helped, but it is a function of affluence I believe.

Regards, Ivan

42 posted on 09/10/2002 1:50:12 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: sheik yerbouty
Enlighten them over their holy city of Mecca, with the light of a thousand suns!

      Could be an aniversary memorial.
43 posted on 09/10/2002 10:41:10 AM PDT by Celtman
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To: Celtman
Sure hope so!
44 posted on 09/10/2002 11:08:58 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: BossLady
Actually, I've read that Saddam is looking for the ingredients for a nuclear bomb. It might just be helpful if we dropped a few completed ones somewhere in his neighborhood
45 posted on 09/10/2002 3:54:57 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: Nik Naym
Excellent idea!
46 posted on 09/10/2002 3:59:34 PM PDT by Ima Lurker
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To: Nik Naym
"Since we know who they are, who they support, and where they will be and when, why don't we just go get the S.O.B.s when they have their little party?"

Amen! Time to make them all pay dearly. Make them ALL glass!
47 posted on 09/10/2002 4:10:36 PM PDT by Spottys Spurs
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