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I have never felt more proud or more alone (pro-Israel demonstrator gets spat on......BY ANTI NAZIS)
Washington Jewish Week ^ | August 24, 2002 | Sarah Kopelovich

Posted on 09/10/2002 3:41:31 PM PDT by zapiks44

In 2002, 60 years after the Holocaust, a Jewish girl cannot go out to an anti-neo-Nazi rally and hold up the Israeli flag.

The past two years have been a perplexing time to be a young "liberal" Jew in America. As an Israeli American, I have often been required to defend Israel from her liberal detractors. An epidemic is crossing our nation's campuses, as confused college kids are lumping together the American civil rights movement with the anti-apartheid movement with the Palestinian independence movement.

Encouraged by groups like the Nation of Islam, black pride slogans have been appropriated for Palestinian protests and the language of Malcolm X has been subverted to serve the adherents of Yasser Arafat.

This has been particularly disturbing to me, as I have been extensively involved with attempts to heal the breach between the Jewish and African American communities.

During these troubling times, I remain proud of my Jewish heritage. During a mission trip to Israel with the International Hillel Organization, I learned that there are no absolutes in politics just as there are no absolutes in life. My sense of Israeli and Jewish identity was rekindled as I began to realize, together with my Jewish brethren in our homeland, that no matter how I or anyone else feels about the current actions of the Israeli government, the Israeli nation has the right to exist in its current form, as a homeland for Jews. I rediscovered that as an Israeli American, I could always hold my head up high. And I do.

Today I sojourned to the U.S. Capitol to join the counter-rally against a neo-Nazi demonstration. As I watched the neo-Nazis approach the south Capitol lawn, my ears were pelted with offensive slogans and vile rhetoric.

How can I describe my feelings as I watched them pass, with their swastikas, Aryan banners, anti-Israel posters and crossed out stars of David?

To these Nazi sympathizers, who applaud the victimization of minorities, of Jews, who extol the brutal slaughter of 12 million people including whole branches of my family tree, to them I wanted to sing out, "I AM A JEW! I AM AN ISRAELI AMERICAN! NOW IT IS YOU THAT ARE IN THE MINORITY. WE ARE STRONG AND WE ARE HERE FOREVER!"

Unfurling a blue and white Israeli flag, I walked briskly and purposefully toward the gathering of anti-Nazi protesters. Watching 300 neo-Nazis with their strident rhetoric, I felt small, isolated and helpless.

As I walked toward my compatriots, my fellow protesters, I felt more empowered with each step. These were people who believed as I did, rational tolerant people whose personal morality impelled them to stand together and denunciate hatred and intolerance. They would stand with me, protest with me, and perhaps attempt to educate -- with me.

Or so I thought.

As I walked deeper and deeper through the crowd of protesters, waving the Israeli flag high and proud above my head, I began to feel less and less welcome. I marched on, waving the flag even higher so each and every neo-Nazi could see the flag of the Jewish people.

Suddenly I realized that the cries and jeers at the sight of the flag, originated not from the neo-Nazis, but from the anti-Nazi protesters.

I continued through the crowd and tried hard to ignore the glares. Inevitably, I was confronted. Abusive, although not unfamiliar words assaulted me at first: "Israel is fascist!" "Zionism is racism!" An old woman with a sweet face screamed at me, "You are a Nazi!" she cried. What had started out as a protest against racism quickly turned into a forum of hatred and fanaticism. I and the flag I held were their targets.

What could I do? Would I turn around? Could I let them disrespect this symbol of my people, and retreat in fear? I held my flag even higher. And I attempted, among the threats, the jostling and chaotic vehemence, to reason.

"I am not the enemy! The enemy is right across the street. Please, let's share this common ground and fight together!"

Despite my intense rage, I stayed true to my nonviolent beliefs and fought her and the crowd that had begun to form around me, with my words.

The crowd of anti-Nazi protesters did not have the same nonviolent ideology. I was spat upon. I was physically and verbally threatened. Grown men accosted me and tried to rip the Israeli flag out of my hands. Several were very close to actually assaulting me. Police intervened and blocked the anti-Nazi protesters from approaching me. These were supposed to be the good guys, and yet the hatred they exuded was just as potent as that of the Nazis themselves.

When a police officer told me that I should leave for my own safety, I staunchly refused. With every shout, hiss, slur and threat, the Israeli flag stood higher in my hands. Blocking out all the defamatory statements about Israel, I stood at the forefront of the protesters and held up that flag as much for them to see as for the neo-Nazis.

I have never felt more proud or more alone in my entire life.

Eventually, I was made to relinquish the flag to its owner, who wanted to leave.

I didn't want to go and give them the satisfaction of my defeat, but I have never been so disgusted with humanity, and wanted to be as far away from these "champions of humanitarianism" as possible.

I wanted to show them the hypocrisy of fighting fascism by tearing down a flag and telling someone she does not have the right to be there because of her heritage. I wanted to give them glasses that would correct the myopic vision with which they saw as complex a situation as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as one so clear cut and categorically absolute.

But all I could do was ask them, "Why are you doing this?" "Why are you doing this?" With all of the research I've done on the conflict, for all my convictions, all I could say was "Why are you doing this?"

I must admit that I, like many young Jews and Zionists my age, feel betrayed by American liberals. With regards to the Middle East, there seems to be no appreciation of the moral ambiguity, the political nuances, the multiple layers of media spin. Faced with such a complex situation, young people too often ask others to chew it, swallow it and digest it for them, and then tell them in absolute terms which side is most appropriate to their general belief structure.

Are you in favor of affirmative action? Are you for civil liberties and women's rights? Why, then, you must be pro-Palestinian! Anti-Globalization? Humanitarian? Pro- Palestinian! Ever voted Democratic/ Libertarian/Socialist or even abstained from voting for a Republican? Then Palestine is the side for you!

Strongly held political views in no way justify acting in such a callous and hateful way toward a fellow human being. With their blind hatred of Israel, these anti-Nazi protesters treated me as roughly as the neo-Nazis on the other side of the partition would have, had they but had the opportunity.

Today, I held my head -- and the Israeli flag -- up high; not in Israel, but in what I had previously considered to be a safe environment. For what better place to applaud the existence of a state for Jews than at a Neo-Nazi counter-rally on Capitol Hill?

I was sadly mistaken. As I went out to face the neo-Nazi demonstration, I found myself hated, both by the neo-Nazis and by those who were there to protest against them. I found myself alone in the middle. And for the first time in my life as an American, I truly understood the crushing impact of anti-Semitism.

In a very palpable way, I was an outsider, hated by everyone. With rabid anti-Semites on one side and anti-Israel fomenters on the other, surrounded by bystanders willing to do nothing as I suffered horrid abuse, I wept É and as Jews must do in this post-Holocaust world, I stood my ground. Truth.

A District resident, Sarah Kopelovich, 21, is a senior at George Washington University.


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This has to be one of the most touching things I've ever read. Perhaps there is hope for America's universities. This girl deserves an award.
1 posted on 09/10/2002 3:41:31 PM PDT by zapiks44
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To: zapiks44
Sounds like most of those protestors should have joined their buddies in the white hoods and swastikas.

In fact, those liberal jerks are worse than the "Outed" Nazi's. Those Nazi's are not a serious threat. The liberal fascist jerks are.

2 posted on 09/10/2002 3:55:43 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: zapiks44
Bush will protect her Israel as her supposed friends on the Left desert her.

The political landscape of the last generation has been transformed, Christopher Hitchens and all.

3 posted on 09/10/2002 3:59:26 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: zapiks44
Just shows how mixed up the liberals are. I bet she thinks that because I belong to the NRA, Support our military and a Right Wing Republican who supports GW that I'am the enemy. Nothing could be further from the truth. Hopefully some of the Liberial Jews are awakening to the truth. Go Bill Simon. Parley
4 posted on 09/10/2002 3:59:32 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: zapiks44
I must admit that I, like many young Jews and Zionists my age, feel betrayed by American liberals.

This girl is one sharp cookie.

5 posted on 09/10/2002 4:02:29 PM PDT by What Is Ain't
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To: zapiks44
Strange rearrangements of the political spectrum nowadays. Songs of the left from the Spanish Civil War belong to American conservatives now...

luchamos contra los moros...
mercenarios i fascista...

We fought against the Moors
the mercenaries and the fascists

(from Viva la quince brigada, sung by Pete Seeger among others)

Superabimus.
6 posted on 09/10/2002 4:02:36 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: zapiks44
The antisemitism of the Left made manifest.
7 posted on 09/10/2002 4:03:43 PM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: zapiks44
The day she says "liberal" instead of "anti-Nazi" she will take a big step towards us.
8 posted on 09/10/2002 4:04:34 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: zapiks44
"The past two years have been a perplexing time to be a young "liberal" Jew in America.

This young lady is sadly confused into believing she should be liberal, because that's what she thinks she should be. A good Jew is a Liberal Democrat Jew.

It deeply saddens me that the misinformation and propaganda of the Democratic Party has been so succesful that a person such as Sarah grows up with the belief that the Democrats are the friends of Israel.

Hillary dines and smooches with a terrorists wife and the Jews continue to support her. Where is the sense in that?

I think we should all Freep the Wash. Jewish week in support of this girl and help convince at least one person that the Republicans and Christians are indeed the friends of the Jews and of Israel.

Here is the e-mail address:

newsroom@washingtonjewishweek.com

9 posted on 09/10/2002 4:04:39 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: Kennard
The political landscape of the last generation has been transformed, Christopher Hitchens and all.

Yes, and if I have anything to say about it, it will stay changed.

10 posted on 09/10/2002 4:06:55 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: zapiks44
When will Jews finally recognize that Nazism and Communism were both just flavors of Socialism? Once again as antisemitism runs amoke, its origin is in the Left.....
11 posted on 09/10/2002 4:08:12 PM PDT by Kozak
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To: zapiks44
"During a mission trip to Israel with the International Hillel Organization, I learned that there are no absolutes in politics just as there are no absolutes in life"

Nice article and I support you (for what it's worth) but you may wish to rethink these two little points.

12 posted on 09/10/2002 4:08:48 PM PDT by BfloGuy
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To: zapiks44
This girl deserves an award.

I'm not so sure. She may feel betrayed by American liberals, but I don't think she changed her own liberal views.

Plus, it's rather clueless to go to a counter-protest alone, especially if you're not a 260 lb guy.

13 posted on 09/10/2002 4:09:02 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: zapiks44
A big problem is a lot of very liberal Jews in high places have helped create these immoral monsters. Most Jews are liberals and Democrats. They claim to be moral people but then support pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-gun control, anti-Christian policies, etc. etc. As they are finding out, you can't have it both ways. They better wake up and start supporting and voting for their best friends, God-fearing conservative Christians, or its going to get even uglier.
14 posted on 09/10/2002 4:09:41 PM PDT by Russell Scott
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To: Russell Scott
But all I could do was ask them, "Why are you doing this?" "Why are you doing this?" With all of the research I've done on the conflict, for all my convictions, all I could say was "Why are you doing this?" Will she ever figure out the answer to this question? I doubt it.
15 posted on 09/10/2002 4:19:00 PM PDT by Jason Kauppinen
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To: zapiks44
She's disappointed that the other protesters don't identify with the Jewish state. But why should they? Israel would deny most of them citizenship simply because they aren't Jewish. Why should they celebrate Jewish separatism while condemning White separatism?
16 posted on 09/10/2002 4:24:52 PM PDT by faintpraise
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To: Dog Gone
I'm not so sure. She may feel betrayed by American liberals, but I don't think she changed her own liberal views.

These things don't happen like a lightning strike, they take time. The road to truth can be a long one for some- and the destination is reached one step at a time. She sounds like she's well on her way down the proper road to me.

17 posted on 09/10/2002 4:27:13 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: faintpraise
Why should they celebrate Jewish separatism while condemning White separatism?

Since when is expecting people to act civil in public asking them to celebrate Jewish seperatism? I don't think she was necessarily asking people to celebrate her culture- rather she was asking them not to spit on and abuse her for it- which is exactly what they were supposed to be protesting against.

18 posted on 09/10/2002 4:32:17 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: zapiks44
I dunno. Cute story, but it has a made-up feel to me. Good message, though.
19 posted on 09/10/2002 4:38:59 PM PDT by Notforprophet
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To: faintpraise
Israel would deny most of them citizenship simply because they aren't Jewish.

Being Jewish is not a requirement for being a citizen of Israel. It may be a requirement for immigration to Israel, on that I am not certain. But Palestinians and other Non-Jewish Semites, who are born in Israel of Israeli citizens, or were in Israel when Israel was formed, are indeed citizens of Israel and can vote in Israeli elections.

One reason we should support Israel is that it is a democracy that grants rights to it's citizens, not granted by the Arabic and Non Jewish semetic states which surround Israel.

20 posted on 09/10/2002 4:39:08 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: Prodigal Son
Since when is expecting people to act civil in public asking them to celebrate Jewish seperatism?

What kind of fool would expect a leftist lynch mob to act civil?

21 posted on 09/10/2002 4:42:47 PM PDT by faintpraise
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To: faintpraise
What kind of fool would expect a leftist lynch mob to act civil?

Why should she think they are a leftist lynch mob? I hate neo Nazis myself. I mean I HATE them. There is nothing uglier than an American saluting a Swastika and paying homage to Hitler. They are the lowest scum in our country. Any true conservative should have been in that anti Nazi crowd protesting against those sh!theads- I know I would have been.

I expect people to behave themselves in public, yes I do. This is part of being a conservative. I don't care what the situation is, nobody had the right to spit on her or rough her up- lefty or righty- and she, as a citizen of a civilized country, had every right and reason to expect that she could stand on the sidewalk and wave a flag without being assaulted.

22 posted on 09/10/2002 4:52:55 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: zapiks44
Make no mistake about it. In America today the so-called right wing antisemites (Neo-Nazis, KKK, skinheads, etc) are a few marginal nothings, but openly left-wing antisemites are numerous and only just outside the mainstream.

A typical Neo-Nazi or KKK demo with attendant counter-demo these days? 10 Nazis, 200 police to protect them, 5000 counter-demonstrators. And guess who starts smashing windows and overturning cars? And comparing even RINOs to the Nazis?

On one side, David Duke, a bunch of old-style segregationists from his district, and a few scattered scary bozos. I don't say ignore them, but for now I'm not worried.

On the other side, radicals on most college campuses, especially the prestigious ones. Major "official" intellectuals. Congressdroids. "Community leaders". Respected media figures (and not just movie actors). That worries me.

23 posted on 09/10/2002 4:55:15 PM PDT by Salman
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To: zapiks44
We live in great days; the time of song and legend in years to come. Now we know a little of what is was like to stand on Bunker Hill, to smuggle a Jew out of Nazi Europe and to order a submarine down while standing stranded on its bridge.

Episodes like this are the combat experiences of our lives. They make us stronger for the next time. Righteous survives. Righteousness grows. Righteousness triumphs.
24 posted on 09/10/2002 4:58:30 PM PDT by wretchard
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To: Dan from Michigan
Sounds like most of those protestors should have joined their buddies in the white hoods and swastikas.

Jews in America will be conservatives before too much more time passes.

25 posted on 09/10/2002 5:03:20 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: Michael.SF.
I could accept Israel if it abandoned Jewish exclusivism and welcomed back returning Palestinian Arab refugees as well as Jewish immigrants. However, I will oppose American support of Israel as long as it retains an undemocratic military occupation and discriminates against Palestinian Arabs.
26 posted on 09/10/2002 5:06:26 PM PDT by faintpraise
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To: Michael.SF.
Being Jewish is not a requirement for being a citizen of Israel. It may be a requirement for immigration to Israel...

According to Israeli law, a Jewish immigrant has a right to Israeli citizenship, but other immigrants are on a case by case basis. Understand this is for the secular Israeli definition of Jewish which is a good deal more permissive than the religion. This was originally so that WWII era refugees didn't have to prove their religious status (Hitler didn't care either).

Thus also the recent controversy about some of the post-Soviet Russian immigrants.

This "right of return" doesn't mean that the Israeli authorities systematically put up with a lot of nonsense. They have been known to extradite Jewish criminals to the United States with the understanding that they could come back to Israel to live after serving their time in the USA.

27 posted on 09/10/2002 5:06:36 PM PDT by Salman
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To: zapiks44
If the neo-Nazis didn't exist they would have to be invented. In fact, in a manner of speaking, they have been invented. The threat the ten of them pose to anyone or anything has been invented so that they can serve as convenient scapegoats while the elephant in the room, the Communists, tramples everything in sight.

This has been going on for 40 years during which the neo-Nazis have made no progress and have caused no serious damage of any sort, but look at the Reds - they sneaked one of their own to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for 8 whole years and later into the Senate. And to think that so many well meaning conservatives buy into this neo-Nazi threat propaganda instead of seeing it for what it is - a calculated deception by the Communists and their dupes in the media! A fine mess, I tell ya!

28 posted on 09/10/2002 5:18:04 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: zapiks44
sounds like it was neo-nazis vs. closet nazis to me
29 posted on 09/10/2002 5:19:05 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: zapiks44
I must admit that I, like many young Jews and Zionists my age, feel betrayed by American liberals. With regards to the Middle East, there seems to be no appreciation of the moral ambiguity, the political nuances, the multiple layers of media spin. Faced with such a complex situation, young people too often ask others to chew it, swallow it and digest it for them, and then tell them in absolute terms which side is most appropriate to their general belief structure.

Are you in favor of affirmative action? Are you for civil liberties and women's rights? Why, then, you must be pro-Palestinian! Anti-Globalization? Humanitarian? Pro- Palestinian! Ever voted Democratic/ Libertarian/Socialist or even abstained from voting for a Republican? Then Palestine is the side for you!

Strongly held political views in no way justify acting in such a callous and hateful way toward a fellow human being. With their blind hatred of Israel, these anti-Nazi protesters treated me as roughly as the neo-Nazis on the other side of the partition would have, had they but had the opportunity.

This girl is all slogan and no principle.

30 posted on 09/10/2002 5:21:30 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: zapiks44
it's time little girls like her had her eyes rudely opened...you cannot be liberal and a jew without betraying your people. All true liberals are anti semitic, palestinian loving nazis.
31 posted on 09/10/2002 5:21:31 PM PDT by goodieD
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To: zapiks44
guess what the fruits of socialsim are the same as those of facisim....
32 posted on 09/10/2002 5:24:10 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: faintpraise
I could accept Israel if it abandoned Jewish exclusivism and welcomed back returning Palestinian Arab refugees as well as Jewish immigrants.

I could accept Palestine if it abandoned Arab exclusivism and welcomed back returning Jewish "settlers" as well as Arab "refugees."

Turnabout is fair play, Kudzu.

33 posted on 09/10/2002 5:29:38 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: zapiks44
This piece took some guts to write. I can only hope that events like this give the liberal Jewry some pause, and make them reconsider where their support has been over the years.

For me, it's truly revolting to think that the left has any Jewish support left at all. For the past 30+ years, the policy of liberals has been a marginalization of the person and a blurring of the lines between right and wrong. For the Jews, a people strong in their nation and beliefs, all of this relativism does them no good, not to mention much of it flies in the face of their own religion.

The right is not only the true defender of the nation-state, but the true defender of the philosophy by which Jews live their lives. Personal responsibility, moral clarity, and a dedication to G-d and family.
35 posted on 09/10/2002 5:37:09 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: zapiks44
I dunno about "touching"--I was sort of thinking "Well, Du-uh."

Always pleading with the leftwingers, "Please like us, look at all we've done to stick it to those icky Baptists and Republicans in the past. Now it's those same icky Baptists and Republicans who seem to be our only friends, and I just can't stand the idea of rubbing elbows with Their Kind!"

Just how much garbage from the likes of Jesse J and Hillary do liberal Jews have to take before they wise up?

I've spent too many years watching conservatives and evangelicals being tarred with the undeserved "antisemite" label, for specious and trivial reasons, to have unreserved patience. I have more sympathy for Israelis than liberal American Jews...

36 posted on 09/10/2002 5:37:18 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: faintpraise
But I thought the Palestinian Arabs wanted to kill all the Jews? You're right. I guess since they just want to live in harmony with the Israelis they should welcome them in & give them land.
37 posted on 09/10/2002 5:50:42 PM PDT by Captiva
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To: Revolting cat!
If the neo-Nazis didn't exist they would have to be invented. In fact, in a manner of speaking, they have been invented. The threat the ten of them pose to anyone or anything has been invented...

Well, they sure must be as busy as little bees- the ten of them. They've got a few thousand web sites on the net, loads of music CDs, and Doc Martens has been making a load of money off just a handful of people.

38 posted on 09/10/2002 5:56:36 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: faintpraise
She's disappointed that the other protesters don't identify with the Jewish state. But why should they? Israel would deny most of them citizenship simply because they aren't Jewish. Why should they celebrate Jewish separatism while condemning White separatism?

On the other hand, why do the Nazis hate a nation state with a defined ethnic core?
Teh reason is that Nazis hate Jews above all else.
AS for your comment, the freest Arabs in the Middle East are the 1.1 million Arab-Israeli citizens of Israel.
Teh Nazis don't believe in rights for minorities.
See teh difference?

39 posted on 09/10/2002 6:37:02 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: Dog Gone
A neo-Conservative Jew is one who has been mugged by the far left.
Look at Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, David Horowitz, Ron Radosh....
She was philosohpically mugged. At worst she will be a socially liberal moderate. At best, she will wake up and see who her allies are.
I'm going to e-mail her to show her the way.
40 posted on 09/10/2002 6:40:28 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: faintpraise
An Israel that accepted any Arab claiming to be a Palestinina would be voted out of existance in 2 years.
Look what the Muslims did to Christian Lebanon!
As for the occupation, i say expell the Arabs to the Arab country in Palestine, The Kingdom of Jordan.
41 posted on 09/10/2002 6:43:29 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: zapiks44
If anyone wants to contact Ms Kopelovich, I did a GWU seach for her.

Your search for Kopelovich resulted in a total of 1 match.
Kopelovich, Sarah
Email: kokopeli@gwu.edu

42 posted on 09/10/2002 6:46:18 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: Prodigal Son
Uhm, we got a problem then (with them neo-nazis), ain't we? What are they going to do next? Take over the Principality of Andorra? San Marino in the heart of the once Nazi friendly Italy? No, I get it! They'll take over all of the web sites dedicated to Frankie and Annette, of which there are more now than neo-Nazi web sites and still, surprisingly, no alarms about it have been raised.

Me thinks that a belief in the danger of some clowns who call themselve or rather who are labeled as the neo-Nazis is itself a dangerous cult. But that's just me...

43 posted on 09/10/2002 6:51:11 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: zapiks44
She is a brave young lady and can be proud of herself for standing up.

But I have a question.

She writes: To these Nazi sympathizers, who applaud the victimization of minorities, of Jews, who extol the brutal slaughter of 12 million people including whole branches of my family tree...

How did the Holocaust of 6 million people get to be a Holocaust of 12 million? Is she mistaken or using hyperbole? Or was she writing about some other slaughter of millions?

44 posted on 09/10/2002 6:56:05 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
How did the Holocaust of 6 million people get to be a Holocaust of 12 million?

By including all the victims who weren't Jews?

45 posted on 09/10/2002 6:58:03 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: faintpraise
I could accept Israel if it abandoned Jewish exclusivism and welcomed back returning Palestinian Arab refugees as well as Jewish immigrants.

Then you're either incredibly naive, or you're transparently hoping for the destruction of Israel from within.

Which is it?

Feel free to explain why you think it's a marvelous idea for Israel to welcome into its land a flood of millions of people who wish to destroy Israel and Jews. That's not to say that all Palestinians do, but there are clearly huge numbers of them who fervently wish it, enough so that a "right of return" would overwhelm Israel like christening a highway for trojan horses.

This is either what you want to happen, or you're so amazingly ignorant of the situation that it's hard to take your pronouncements about "what Israel should do" seriously.

46 posted on 09/10/2002 7:02:54 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: Alouette
By including all the victims who weren't Jews?

I had considered that. But I always thought that the 6 million figure accounted for the Romanians and the Poles, etc, etc.

47 posted on 09/10/2002 7:06:12 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Dan Day
Good point about Israel, and I am inclined to agree.

Now, let's take it to the next level.

Why should Europe welcome into its land a flood of millions of people who wish to destroy Europe and Europeans?

Yet, Europe (and America) are expected to welcome millions of hordes of Third Worlders. If they don't, Abe Foxman will express concern about their racism. Why the double standard?

48 posted on 09/10/2002 7:24:43 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: zapiks44
While I feel sympathetic to this girl's plight at that rally, the underlying problem that she has is her own fault: her worldview is a jumble of contradictory opinions.

Her letter is sprinkled with a variety of "blood and soil" phrases that have specific philosophical ramifications:

"my Jewish identity was rekindled"

"together with my Jewish bretheren in our homeland" (is she an American? If so...isn't America her "homeland"?)

"could I let them disrespect this symbol of my people?"

Tragically, many Jews have been playing a double game for many decades now. They have been relentless in attacking an destroying any manifestation of group identity amongst non-Jewish white people. The main strategy has been to ally with various non-white racial groups and propagate the idea that any such manifestation of white group identity is the equivalent of racism and Nazism.

Meanwhile, they have been equally relentless in supporting a nation that is founded on the very same group-based identity that they have found so horrible in other whites.

Should Israel have a Jewish star on its flag? If so...would she accept a cross on the US flag? (nope...it would make her feel like an outsider)

Should Israel bar immigration by anyone who isn't Jewish? If so....why shouldn't France or the UK only allow French and English descended people to immigrate? (nope....that would be 'racist')

As Ayn Rand once said "contradictions don't exist, if you find one, check your premises".

The Faustian bargain that many Jews have made (namely, to attack non-jewish white ethnic identity to prevent Jews from feeling like 'outsiders' and 'excluded' by working to radicalize nonwhite racial groups and promoting universalist philosophy) is coming home to roost.

In my years at various universities, Jewish liberals were at the forefront of "antiracist" movements aimed at placing all whites under the universalist microscope. South Africa was evil because it didn't allow blacks to vote....third world immigration had to continue unabated regardless of the demographic consequences across Europe and the US....affirmative action was sacrosanct because whites had to be punished for "past discrimination".....etc etc etc.

Now...this same universalistic ideology is being applied to Jews.

My entire college experience revolved around my being villified for my race, my gender, and my religion. I was the epitome of evil in the universe. I lost count of the number of times that the historic accomplishments of Western Man were smeared and my ancestors were maligned....slavery, Indian massacres, global warming...you name it.

And many of the folks doing the smearing and maligning were just like dear Sarah here.

I'm sorry if I sound a little cynical...but she's only upset that this stuff is being thrown her way for the first time. If this anti-Israel stuff blew over tomorrow...she'd be back on the anti-white political bandwagon in a NY minute.

49 posted on 09/10/2002 7:39:14 PM PDT by quebecois
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To: quebecois
Excellent. BUMP!
50 posted on 09/10/2002 7:45:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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