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Iraq, Dejihadification and Oil - Miss Mannerstein answers a readers question...
Conservative Truth.org ^ | September 8, 2002 | "Miss Mannerstein"

Posted on 09/10/2002 10:34:34 PM PDT by Yehuda

First we occupy, then de-jihad-ify.
Then to Europe we say, "Hi!:
You need oil? From US,
at $50 a barrel, you will buy!"

Miss Mannerstein returns, with answers on Iraq, dejihadification and oil.

Dear Miss Mannerstein,

I recently read a transcript of a conversation between Dr. Daniel Pipes and Pat Buchanan on the pending war with Iraq, and the whole notion of "democratizing" the Arab world. Mr. Buchanan commented that we have to be careful of what we wish for, i.e., that by opening up the Arabs to more "democratic" governments, we would be handing over those countries to those who would be even more antagonistic to the U.S., and to Israel and the West in general.

Dr. Pipes had an intriguing response:

"It's in our interests that they modernize and it's in our interests to help them modernize and I think we know how. We are very modern and we can help them. Look, we've done that elsewhere. Look, for example, at Japan. We defeated the Japanese and then we guided them towards a democracy. We did the same with Germany. We should be doing the same thing with Iraq."

Could you explain exactly what Dr. Pipes was alluding to?

Signed, Darned if we do, etc.

Dear Darned,

Though I can't speak for the noted Mideast expert Dr. Pipes, let me try and explain what he may have been referring to (and my, how times have changed... Daniel Pipes chatting with Pat Buchanan...):

Skipping the hemming and hawing, we must drop the idea of creating an "instant democracy" in Iraq or anywhere else in the Arab world. Dr. Pipes is reminding us is that America had "success" with Japan and Germany because our parents beat the snot out of them, and we then occupied both countries until we had weeded out most if not all of the hard-core German and Japanese followers of Hitler and Tojo.

In other words, we rounded up and jailed or hung all the nut-jobs. We disarmed them completely, we took over responsibility for their defense, their political reorganization, their schools and much of their media. We did this for decades with Germany and for many years with Japan.

During the occupation, all Germans and Japanese who wanted to run for office or work for their respective local governments were investigated and put through interrogation, and where necessary, through "denazification." (And no, it wasn't perfect; we took some perfectly dangerous Nazis and used them for our own purposes to combat Communism, and to develop our nascent missile and space capabilities; was it morally imperfect? Possibly. Did it pay off in the end? Of course.)

If we want to avoid another 9/11 attack (and G-d forbid a worse conflagration) we must commit ourselves to a similar strategy for much of the Arab region. When you hear Congress and the media (and the bleeding-heart hypocrites in Europe and here at home with billion-dollar investments in Iraq) whining and stalling about "going into Baghdad without a well thought-out plan," this should be your response:

America must attack, defeat and occupy Iraq (and any other nation that builds weapons of mass destruction and/or sponsors terrorism) and we must stay there as we did in Germany and Japan; we must remain in Iraq until their current leaders are either dead or locked away, until the generations that have been brainwashed to hijack freedom of expression and political choice have all been “dejihadified,” until all those who would turn their people and their economies against us are completely out of the picture, and until they are forever unable to wage war and sponsor terrorism against us and our true allies. We owe it to ourselves, to our children, and even though they don’t deserve it, to the rest of the so-called “free-world.”

This is the only honest and non-delusional answer about “democratizing” the Arab Mideast. Pull your eyebrows back down, and be thankful we are getting in early with only a few thousand dead from 9/11, instead of the tens of millions it took to conclude WW2.

I know, I can hear some of you now:

"But Miss Mannerstein, something like that could take years, decades! How are we going to afford all that?"

If it takes fifty years, so be it; we can pay for it by selling Arab oil to Europe. (You think we elected two oil men to make chopped liver?)

____

Mannerstein@hotmail.com


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Political Humor/Cartoons; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: dejihadification; drdanielpipes; iraq; occupation; oil; patbuchanan; zionist
"She's" back! Miss Mannerstein, infamous for ripping CNN's Andrea Koppel et al in last spring's "4th Estate or 5th Column" The New Etiquette" is back advising a reader on the finer points of taking and making over the Arab world.
1 posted on 09/10/2002 10:34:35 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: 2sheep; Aaron_A; agrace; Alouette; alpowolf; American Preservative; Amerigomag; america-rules; ...
bump
2 posted on 09/10/2002 10:37:16 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Heuristic Hiker
Ping
3 posted on 09/10/2002 10:42:22 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Yehuda
bttt - excellent
4 posted on 09/10/2002 11:06:53 PM PDT by XBob
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To: Yehuda
Thanks for the ping. It certainly sounds logical to take some oil from that region by force to at least pay for reconstruction in NY and DC. If we get stuck rebuilding the Middle East too, I guess we could use their oil to pay for that as well.
5 posted on 09/10/2002 11:23:25 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: sixmil
I forgot to say; I'm not so sure that comparing Iraq to Japan or Germany is apples to apples. We are talking about a second or third world country that is unable to conquer anyone but its smallest neighbor. Maybe it will work, but I imagine democracy will take to Iraq about as well as it is taking to Afghanistan.
6 posted on 09/10/2002 11:28:52 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: Yehuda
Does she have a regular column? If so, I hope you'll post them. This one is great!
7 posted on 09/11/2002 12:03:24 AM PDT by WaterDragon
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To: Yehuda
Yes! Let's do it by spending their oil money!! YES!!
8 posted on 09/11/2002 2:32:20 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: Yehuda

_____________________________




Rummy, you tell the Brits to keep sifting the dirt for Osama. Next up? SADdam !
Let's get him!

9 posted on 09/11/2002 3:15:48 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: WaterDragon; Utah Girl; XBob
"Does she have a regular column? If so, I hope you'll post them. This one is great!"

I am sure she is very grateful for your comments. Her editor has hinted that if she and her host website get enough requests/hits, there will be more columns soon.
10 posted on 09/11/2002 3:52:26 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda
KICK THEIR ASS AND TAKE THEIR GAS.........

Then sell what we don't need to the the EuroSnots. Price $50 per barrel, which they should like just fine since they're addicted to shrimpy automobiles and the Kyoto treaty bullshit.
11 posted on 09/11/2002 3:55:27 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: MeeknMing
Rummy, you tell the Brits to keep sifting the dirt for Osama.

Yep!  Hahahah


12 posted on 09/11/2002 4:00:52 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Yehuda
This is the responsibility of the US. if we are an example of a free democratic republic, we have an obligation to ensure that other people seeking that freedom have the ability to achieve that goal.

That is why our interest was so great in Latin America and why we must be the guarantor of the freedoms that so many seek.

That is why we support Israel.

That is why we support Turkey,England,Japan,Germany and others around the globe.

If a country is calling itself democratic but is just a
despotic dictatorship,or a socialist dictatorship that is a stain on the democratic process that cannot be allowed to continue.
13 posted on 09/11/2002 4:05:50 AM PDT by tet68
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To: Yehuda
Thanks for the ping. Hope everything is well

I hate to say it, but I think Miss Mannerstein's a raving optimist. Looking at the history of Islam since six hundred and thirty whatever AD, it's clear that it's spawned religious war after fanatical cult after brutal-exterminator-in-the-name-of Allah.

OK, Christianity has caused a spat or two as well, but I would argue that the core of Christianity - the Gospels - are so pacificist that if followed consistently they are dangerous to the survival of the believer (well, perhaps not in eternal terms, but you know what I mean).

The Koran, on the other hand, is a brutal, intolerant document, whose world view puts it well outside Western Civilization as we know it.

A Christian following the tenets of Christianity would not wage aggressive war. In fact he might not even wage defensive war, depending on how he reads the doctrine of turning the other cheek. A Moslim, following the tenets of Islam, is virtually required to raise aggressive war against non Moslims.

My own feeling is the problem ends, not when we eliminate one generation of jihadists - other snakes will rise to take their place - but when Islam itself is consigned with Zoroastrianism* and Taoism* to the gallery of quaint but effectively dead religions. And since most of us in the West haven't woken up to this yet, it may be a long, long time.

*I apologize to any Zoroastrians and Taoists for the company I've put them in; both creeds are far less barbarous than Islam.

14 posted on 09/11/2002 4:18:32 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: dennisw
Evil Bert captured.....expected to be shot at dawn.

LOL !

15 posted on 09/11/2002 4:25:17 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Yehuda
Yup. It took "la reconquista" (a 700 year Crusade) and the Inquisition to roll back Mohammedanism in Spain.
16 posted on 09/11/2002 5:08:58 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Yehuda
Actually, occupying Iraq and putting oil sales in "trust" to pay for the military operation and the rebuilding of Iraq sounds like a very reasonable plan.
17 posted on 09/11/2002 6:02:35 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Yehuda; Right Wing Professor
I've discussed this many times with friends, and I happen to agree with Professor: It's my opinion that the majority of Islamic/Arab countries have no interest in becoming democratic. I am certainly for military action against our enemies, including occupation of the oil fields. However, "democratizing" Islam is ridiculous in my opinion. Using the examples of Germany and Japan might seem relevant, but I would like to point out a huge difference between Arab countries and our two former WW2 enemies - civilization. Japan and Germany, although different from us, were industrialized. Both contributed to the world economy. However, Arab countries are not. The only thing that keeps them from being COMPLETELY primitive is oil revenues. The complete lack of industrializaton, civilization, modern concepts, and tolerant religious beliefs force me to conclude that these are a people that cannot be "molded". Just cut off their oil and let them see how far extremist Islam will get them in the world.
18 posted on 09/11/2002 6:24:25 AM PDT by Shryke
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To: Shryke
Japan and Germany, although different from us, were industrialized. Both contributed to the world economy. However, Arab countries are not. The only thing that keeps them from being COMPLETELY primitive is oil revenues.

Cultural factors that are needed for a functioning country:

  1. A respect for work. People who actually work for a living, both in white-collar and blue-collar jobs, must be respected for their effort and contribution
  2. A respect for education. There should be status in being well-educated. (and not just in knowing the Qu'ran)
  3. Parents must believe that it is possible for their children to achieve a higher socio-economic status through study and hard work, plus desire on the part of parents for their children to be better of than the parents were
Where these factors are missing, whether in the Arab world or in our inner cities, you get persistent poverty and stagnation, accompanied by envy, resentment, and violence
19 posted on 09/11/2002 6:52:14 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Shryke
I agree. Without oil, the Saudi's would still be roaming the deserts on camels. I wish I knew the source of "East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet."

I'm afraid the Arab world will have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the EIGHTH century.

20 posted on 09/11/2002 7:33:25 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Right Wing Professor; Aquinasfan; Shryke
"I hate to say it, but I think Miss Mannerstein's a raving optimist."... It took "la reconquista" (a 700 year Crusade)..." "The complete lack of industrializaton, civilization, modern concepts, and tolerant religious beliefs.

I think the article points to the same goal; whether it takes decades or centuries, complete "dejihadification" will be accomplished only with the total transformation or elimination of Islam.

We disarmed them completely, we took over responsibility for their defense, their political reorganization, their schools and much of their media. We did this for decades with Germany and for many years with Japan... [because that's how long it took]

... and we must stay there as we did in Germany and Japan; we must remain in Iraq until their current leaders are either dead or locked away, until the generations that have been brainwashed to hijack freedom of expression and political choice have all been “dejihadified,” ...

21 posted on 09/11/2002 10:39:50 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda
Your post #23 is right on target.

I think the article points to the same goal; whether it takes decades or centuries, complete "dejihadification" will be accomplished only with the total transformation or elimination of Islam.

I expect it will hopefully be achieved by the transformation of Islam just as other religions have modernized over time. This will be a long term project. First the assault on Iraq will be followed by an overthrow of the regime in Iran and then so many other hot-beds of evil. These actions will begin even before the Iraq project is completed.

The thought of this being accomplished with revenues from their oil is a Pipe dream ;-). When in recent history have we ever (conquered) freed an enemy without having to expend lots of buck$? This will be the case again but maybe we'll be able to get our allies to contribute some of the cost.

However, the cost of this action is not the important factor. The absolute victory over terrorist Islam is mandatory!

22 posted on 09/11/2002 8:03:15 PM PDT by I'mAllRightJack
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To: I'mAllRightJack
"However, the cost of this action is not the important factor. The absolute victory over terrorist Islam is mandatory!"

BTTT.

"The thought of this being accomplished with revenues from their oil is a Pipe dream ..."

I am no economist, but it would seem to me that after repairing the oil producing infrastructure, and eliminating from Iraq's "budget" their WMD development costs and "foreign aid"/ international support for terrorism, there should be more than enough $ coming from us selling their oil in the world market to cover the expenses of feeding and running Iraq, as well as our specific occupation costs.
23 posted on 09/11/2002 10:43:27 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Right Wing Professor
A Christian following the tenets of Christianity would not wage aggressive war. In fact he might not even wage defensive war, depending on how he reads the doctrine of turning the other cheek. A Moslim, following the tenets of Islam, is virtually required to raise aggressive war against non Moslims.

Two points:

"Thou shalt not kill" really means "not murder." Most certainly a Christian can kill in defense of his and/or his familys' life - or his nation.

When pushed, we are quite capable of "Kill'em all . . . let God sort'em out." Saddam won't find it successful to sit behind a "shield" of civilians (or war protesters.)

24 posted on 09/15/2002 10:13:13 AM PDT by toddst
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To: Yehuda

25 posted on 09/15/2002 10:19:43 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: Petronski
BTTT!
26 posted on 09/15/2002 10:43:50 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: dennisw
KICK THEIR ASS AND TAKE THEIR GAS.........

Then sell what we don't need to the the EuroSnots. Price $50 per barrel, which they should like just fine since they're addicted to shrimpy automobiles and the Kyoto treaty bullshit.

This might be the reason why Europeans oppose this war.

27 posted on 10/06/2002 5:24:57 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
Poland will also have to pay $50. With $10 of that going to the Israeli IDF.
28 posted on 10/06/2002 5:33:12 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Yehuda
I think people go too far with this. Sure we will try to help Iraq move toward democracy (though I don't like that word much any more due to its association with socialism), just as we are doing with the Afghanis but if it fails IT DOES NOT MATTER.

We have to remove this dictator who has international ambitions on a regional budget. We have to remove his weapons of mass destruction and means of developing them for a long time. We TRY to promote democracy, but to say that that is the real reason we invade is crap. We do it to defend ourselves. If more comes out of it great, but to the extent we remove the islamic knife from our throats the operation is a success. The demonazis will try to spin it otherwise, i.e. defining success at how well we make them a PC liberal democracy, but don't buy it. It's probably not possible nor is it really a core part of the job.

I DO like the idea of letting oil revenues pay for what we do there... that will be hard to get past our homegrown neo-nazis but would be great.
29 posted on 10/06/2002 5:42:21 AM PDT by johnb838
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To: johnb838
I DO like the idea of letting oil revenues pay for what we do there.

I have two questions - if you had the compelling proofs that Saddam Hussein is not a threat to the United States and that Iraq was not related to 9/11, would you still support this war? And second question, if otherwise the Iraq did not have oil would you support the war?

30 posted on 10/06/2002 6:40:46 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I agree. Without oil, the Saudi's would still be roaming the deserts on camels. I wish I knew the source of "East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet."

The Ballad of East and West by Rudyard Kipling.

31 posted on 10/06/2002 10:25:22 AM PDT by BullDog108
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To: BullDog108


0h, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth!

Kamal is out with twenty men to raise the Border side,
And he has lifted the Colonel's mare that is the Colonel's pride.
He has lifted her out of the stable-door between the dawn and day
And turned the calkins upon her feet, and ridden her far away.

Then up and spoke the Colonel's son that led a troop of the Guides
Is there never a man of all my men can say where Kamal hides? "
Then up and spoke Mohammed Khan, the son of the Ressaldar:
"If ye know the track of the morning-mist, ye know where his pickets are.
"At dusk he harries the Abazai - at dawn he is into Bonair,
"But he must go by Fort Bukloh to his own place to fare.
"So if ye gallop to Fort Bukloh as fast as a bird can fly,
"By the favour of God ye may cut him off ere he win to the Tongue of Jagai.
"But if he be past the Tongue of Jagai, right swiftly turn ye then,
"For the length and the breadth of that grisly plain is sown with Kamal's men.
"There is rock to the left, and rock to the right, and low lean thorn between,
"And ye may hear a breech-bolt snick where never a man is seen."

The Colonel's son has taken horse, and a raw rough dun was he,
With the mouth of a bell and the heart of Hell and the head of a gallows-tree.
The Colonel's son to the Fort has won, they bid him stay to eat
Who rides at the tail of a Border thief, he sits not long at his meat.
He's up and away from Fort Bukloh as fast as he can fly,
Till he was aware of his father's mare in the gut of the Tongue of Jagai,
Till he was aware of his father's mare with Kamal upon her back,
And when he could spy the white of her eye, he made the Pistol crack.
He has fired once, he has fired twice, but the whistling ball went wide.
Ye shoot like a soldier," Kamal said. " Show now if ye can ride!
It's up and over the Tongue of Jagai, as blown dust-devils go
The dun he fled like a stag of ten, but the mare like a barren doe.
The dun he leaned against the bit and slugged his head above,
But the red mare played with the snaffle-bars, as a maiden plays with a glove.
There was rock to the left and rock to the right, and low lean thorn between,
And thrice he heard a breech-bolt snick tho' never a man was seen.

They have ridden the low moon out of the sky, their hoofs drum up the dawn,
The dun he went like a wounded bull, but the mare like a new-roused fawn.
The dun he fell at a water-course - in a woeful heap fell he,
And Kamal. has turned the red mare back, and pulled the rider free.
He has knocked the pistol out of his hand - small room was there to strive,
'Twas only by favour of mine," quoth he, " ye rode so long alive:
"There was not a rock for twenty mile, there was not a clump of tree,
"But covered a man of my own men with his rifle cocked on his knee.
"If I had raised my bridle-hand, as I have held it low,
"The little jackals that flee so fast were feasting all in a row.
"If I had bowed my head on my breast, as I have held it high,
"The kite that whistles above us now were gorged till she could not fly."
Lightly answered the Colonel's son: "Do good to bird and beast,
"But count who come for the broken meats before thou makest a feast.
"If there should follow a thousand swords to carry my bones away.
"Belike the price of a jackal's meal were more than a thief could pay.
"They will feed their horse on the standing crop, their men on the garnered grain.
"The thatch of the byres will serve their fires when all the cattle are slain.
"But if thou thinkest the price be fair - thy brethren wait to sup,
"The hound is kin to the jackal-spawn - howl, dog, and call them up!
"And if thou thinkest the price be high, in steer and gear and stack,
"Give me my father's mare again, and I'll fight my own way back! "

Kamal has gripped him by the hand and set him upon his feet.
"No talk shall be of dogs," said he, "when wolf and grey wolf meet.
"May I eat dirt if thou hast hurt of me in deed or breath;
"What dam of lances brought thee forth to jest at the dawn with Death?"
Lightly answered the Colonel's son: " I hold by the blood of my clan:
Take up the mare for my father's gift - by God, she has carried a man!"
The red mare ran to the Colonel's son, and nuzzled against his breast;
"We be two strong men," said Kamal then, " but she loveth the younger best.
"So she shall go with a lifter's dower, my turquoise-studded rein,
"My 'broidered saddle and saddle-cloth, and silver stirrup twain."
The Colonel's son a pistol drew, and held it muzzle-end,
"Ye have taken the one from a foe," said he. " Will ye take the mate from a friend? "
"A gift for a gift," said Kamal straight; "a limb for the risk of a limb.
"Thy father has sent his son to me, I'll send my son to him!"
With that he whistled his only son, that dropped from a mountain-crest
He trod the ling like a buck in spring, and he looked like a lance in rest.
"Now here is thy master," Kamal said, "who leads a troop of the Guides,
"And thou must ride at his left side as shield on shoulder rides.
"Till Death or I cut loose the tie, at camp and board and bed,
"Thy life is his - thy fate it is to guard him with thy head.
"So, thou must eat the White Queen's meat, and all her foes are thine,
"And thou must harry thy father's hold for the peace of the Border-line.
"And thou must make a trooper tough and hack thy way to power
"Belike they will raise thee to Ressaldar when I am hanged in Peshawur! "

They have looked each other between the eyes, and there they found no fault.
They have taken the Oath of the Brother-in-Blood on leavened bread and salt:
They have taken the Oath of the Brother-in-Blood on fire and fresh-cut sod,
On the hilt and the haft of the Khyber knife, and the Wondrous Names of God.

The Colonel's son he rides the mare and Kamal's boy the dun,
And two have come back to Fort Bukloh where there went forth but one.
And when they drew to the Quarter-Guard, full twenty swords flew clear
There was not a man but carried his feud with the blood of the mountaineer.
Ha' done! ha' done! " said the Colonel's son. " Put up the steel at your sides!
Last night ye had struck at a Border thief - to-night 't is a man of the Guides! "

Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face though they come from the ends of the earth!
32 posted on 10/06/2002 10:26:58 AM PDT by BullDog108
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To: BullDog108
Thanks for the source. Once again, FR is a great source of answers - a veritable fount of knowledge - from helpful folks such as you.
33 posted on 10/06/2002 11:18:06 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: BullDog108
I thank you as well. My father loved Kipling but I've never read much and I enjoyed reading that poem in its entirety.
34 posted on 10/06/2002 6:40:12 PM PDT by johnb838
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To: A. Pole
if you had the compelling proofs that Saddam Hussein is not a threat to the United States and that Iraq was not related to 9/11, would you still support this war? And second question, if otherwise the Iraq did not have oil would you support the war?

In answer to question 1, if I did not believe that Saddam was a direct threat to the U.S. I probably would not be as strongly in support of unilateral action. However if I believed him nevertheless to be a threat to our allies in Israel I would still support action.

Question 2: To me the oil is largely irrelevant. In fact if he did NOT have oil I think he would be even more of a danger as he would be actively looking for ways to acquire oil by conquest.
35 posted on 10/06/2002 6:46:28 PM PDT by johnb838
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority; johnb838
You're welcome. You can never get enough of Kipling, IMHO.
36 posted on 10/06/2002 7:01:52 PM PDT by BullDog108
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To: BullDog108
The one and only. Thanks.

A number of years ago, when I was teaching college and assigned K's short story (ah, but what a poor category that is for it!), "The Man Who Would be King," in an Intro to Lit class, I also photocopied "Gunga Din" for my students, and gave a rousing reading in class.

    Din! Din! Din!   80
    You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!  
    Tho' I've belted you an' flayed you,  
    By the livin' Gawd that made you,  
    You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

Oddly enough, my two Indian fellows seemed to enjoy the reading the most. At one of the schools where I taught, my feminist supervisor ordered me to cease and desist from teaching "The Man ..." in the future, claiming it was "boring." I suppose for her, exciting literature was The Women's Room!

But while Kipling's politics were all "wrong" (racist and imperialist), he had an unsentimental grasp of what made men tick that still puts to shame whole universities of tenured, pc professors.

YOU may talk o' gin an' beer  
When you're quartered safe out 'ere,  
An' you're sent to penny-fights an' Aldershot it;  
But if it comes to slaughter  
You will do your work on water,          5
An' you'll lick the bloomin' boots of 'im that's got it.  
Now in Injia's sunny clime,  
Where I used to spend my time  
A-servin' of 'Er Majesty the Queen,  
Of all them black-faced crew   10
The finest man I knew  
Was our regimental bhisti, Gunga Din.  
  
    It was "Din! Din! Din!  
    You limping lump o' brick-dust, Gunga Din!  
    Hi! slippy hitherao!   15
    Water, get it! Panee lao!  
    You squidgy-nosed old idol, Gunga Din!"  
  
The uniform 'e wore  
Was nothin' much before,  
An' rather less than 'arf o' that be'ind,   20
For a twisty piece o' rag  
An' a goatskin water-bag  
Was all the field-equipment 'e could find.  
When the sweatin' troop-train lay  
In a sidin' through the day,   25
Where the 'eat would make your bloomin' eyebrows crawl,  
We shouted "Harry By!"  
Till our throats were bricky-dry,  
Then we wopped 'im 'cause 'e couldn't serve us all.  
  
    It was "Din! Din! Din!   30
    You 'eathen, where the mischief 'ave you been?  
    You put some juldee in it,  
    Or I'll marrow you this minute,  
    If you don't fill up my helmet, Gunga Din!"  
  
'E would dot an' carry one   35
Till the longest day was done,  
An' 'e didn't seem to know the use o' fear.  
If we charged or broke or cut,  
You could bet your bloomin' nut,  
'E'd be waitin' fifty paces right flank rear.   40
With 'is mussick on 'is back,  
'E would skip with our attack,  
An' watch us till the bugles made "Retire."  
An' for all 'is dirty 'ide,  
'E was white, clear white, inside   45
When 'e went to tend the wounded under fire!  
  
    It was "Din! Din! Din!"  
    With the bullets kickin' dust-spots on the green.  
    When the cartridges ran out,  
    You could 'ear the front-files shout:   50
    "Hi! ammunition-mules an' Gunga Din!"  
  
I sha'n't forgit the night  
When I dropped be'ind the fight  
With a bullet where my belt-plate should 'a' been.  
I was chokin' mad with thirst,   55
An' the man that spied me first  
Was our good old grinnin', gruntin' Gunga Din.  
  
'E lifted up my 'ead,  
An' 'e plugged me where I bled,  
An' 'e guv me 'arf-a-pint o' water—green;   60
It was crawlin' an' it stunk,  
But of all the drinks I've drunk,  
I'm gratefullest to one from Gunga Din.  
  
    It was "Din! Din! Din!  
    'Ere's a beggar with a bullet through 'is spleen;   65
    'E's chawin' up the ground an' 'e's kickin' all around:  
    For Gawd's sake, git the water, Gunga Din!"  
  
'E carried me away  
To where a dooli lay,  
An' a bullet come an' drilled the beggar clean.   70
'E put me safe inside,  
An' just before 'e died:  
"I 'ope you liked your drink," sez Gunga Din.  
So I'll meet 'im later on  
In the place where 'e is gone—   75
Where it's always double drill and no canteen;  
'E'll be squattin' on the coals  
Givin' drink to pore damned souls,  
An' I'll get a swig in Hell from Gunga Din!  
  
    Din! Din! Din!   80
    You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!  
    Tho' I've belted you an' flayed you,  
    By the livin' Gawd that made you,  
    You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!  

37 posted on 08/26/2003 10:23:45 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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38 posted on 11/17/2003 11:22:44 PM PST by nutmeg (Rush Limbaugh: The Voice of Sanity during 8 years of the Clinton Reign of Terror)
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