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Colorado lawmaker seeks family's deportation after article
The Sacramento Bee ^ | 9/13/02 | AP Wire Story

Posted on 09/13/2002 9:52:38 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:43:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

DENVER (AP) - A congressman was seeking deportation of a Mexican family after he read an article about how one son couldn't afford college because federal law bans financial aid for illegal immigrants.

Rep. Tom Tancredo said he contacted the Immigration and Naturalization Service and asked that Jesus Apodaca, 18, and any other undocumented relatives be deported.


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"This is an arrogant use of power," said Mario Hernandez, a spokesman for the Mexican consulate in Denver. "This family is looking to improve the lives of their children."

Mario Hernandez should not only go pound sand, but he should be pounding sand in is nasty homeland. Expel the fifth-columnist along with the foreign scofflaw sponges.

1 posted on 09/13/2002 9:52:39 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: flamefront; Drill Alaska; healey22; lutine; Right_Makes_Might; wku man; sonofliberty2; ...
A "Tancredo is doing a fine job" ping!
2 posted on 09/13/2002 9:53:30 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan
They're looking to improve the lives of *their* kids. What about AMERICAN CITIZEN's kids???? How many inner city kids or kids on reservations could go to school if this family hadn't been here? This woman has been arrogantly abusing our SYSTEM for YEARS. (bet they have a big Mexican flag out front!) Send them all back!!!
3 posted on 09/13/2002 9:56:23 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Tancredo Fan
"Comfort said INS normally focuses on immigrants who have committed crimes or pose a national security threat.

What part of Illegal do these idiots not associate with being a criminal act?

4 posted on 09/13/2002 9:56:28 AM PDT by JustAnAmerican
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To: Tancredo Fan
Viva Tancredo!
5 posted on 09/13/2002 9:56:57 AM PDT by Nephi
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To: Tancredo Fan
I wonder if it ever occured to Tancredo (and others) to muscle INS to get this guy legal?

kj

6 posted on 09/13/2002 9:57:14 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: Tancredo Fan
If the INS was run like the BATF, every illegal alien in America would be deported or shot in one month.

If the BATF was run like the INS, you could fire howitzers from your backyard day and night.

(I just want a list of federal laws that "really count" and will be enforced, and a list of federal laws that I can ignore.)

7 posted on 09/13/2002 9:58:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: JustAnAmerican
Indeed! I can't understand what the fuss is about when it comes to deporting people. The INS always says there are too many, etc. But a case like this drops in their lap, and we can read stories about it and the people are still here? For cryin' out loud, put them on a plane already! I don't see the need for discussion here, do you?
8 posted on 09/13/2002 9:58:44 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: AzJP
That would be great! Then Mario could start paying taxes, just like I do!
9 posted on 09/13/2002 9:58:49 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion
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To: AzJP
That would be great! Then Mario could start paying taxes, just like I do!
10 posted on 09/13/2002 9:58:49 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion
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To: Tancredo Fan
"I wish I had him here, face to face. I'd ask him, 'Do I seem like a bad person? Does my son seem like a bad person?'" said Apodaca's mother, Maria Madrid. "All I've ever wanted is that my son fulfills his dream" of going to college.

Maria Madrid is a rotten person, who should consider the consequences of her actions as she returns to Mexico with her family to seek financial aid to attend a school in their own country.




11 posted on 09/13/2002 9:59:10 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Frank_Discussion
Ooops. Ooops. Posted Twice. Posted Twice. SorrySorry!!
12 posted on 09/13/2002 9:59:51 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion
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To: Frank_Discussion
Why reward criminal activity? That's ridiculous. Deport the lot of them and let them wait in line like everyone else. These people are criminals and moochers.
13 posted on 09/13/2002 10:00:02 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan
No, arrogant is giving a newspaper interview and laying all of your lawbreaking antics out there for all to read and thinking nobody will come after you.

Kick the leeches out.

14 posted on 09/13/2002 10:00:19 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Tancredo Fan
A congressman was seeking deportation of a Mexican family after he read an article about how one son couldn't afford college because federal law bans financial aid for illegal immigrants.

Stick this guy in the Senate.

15 posted on 09/13/2002 10:00:31 AM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: AzJP
I wonder if it ever occured to Tancredo (and others) to muscle INS to get this guy legal?

Great idea! We can solve the problem by passing a law making illegals legal!

Then we can solve the crime problem by making murder rape robbery and assault legal! Problem solved!

You are a genius! Why didn't anybody think of that before?

16 posted on 09/13/2002 10:00:39 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Frank_Discussion
Yup, probably income taxes, although IRS doesn't ask. There are illegals who pay IRS out of fear!

As for those pesky sales taxes, he's already paying as much as anyone.

17 posted on 09/13/2002 10:02:04 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: Tancredo Fan
If this kid is such a super kid, then I would love to have him become a legal American citizen. Do what it takes to become legal and you would be as welcome hear as anyone. Don't whine and snivel about wanting to improve your life, about having never done anything wrong when you are in the country illegaly! You got your free high school education, which I helped pay for, now either do the right thing, or leave! Nothiing personal, but the law stands!
18 posted on 09/13/2002 10:02:45 AM PDT by mad puppy
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To: Tancredo Fan
You go Mr. Tancredo!

At least someone is trying to do something about these 'undetained felons'.
19 posted on 09/13/2002 10:03:46 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Tancredo Fan
These illegal alien Mexi-pests were very arrogant to go public and use their real names. They deserve to be deported.

I see how one party offered to help pay some of the tuition. Maybe that's why their used their real names. Tom Tancredo is one the few congress critters who gives a damn!
20 posted on 09/13/2002 10:03:52 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Frank_Discussion; AzJP
Sorry... my last (#13) was intended for AzJP
21 posted on 09/13/2002 10:04:32 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: dennisw
They should be deported for being so stupid, really.
22 posted on 09/13/2002 10:05:10 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: AzJP
If you make him legal, then you have to make the other 10 million legal also. This kid is not any different then any other illegal, and needs to return to Mexico.

Universities in Mexico have fine computer science programs.

Mexico can pay for his education.

23 posted on 09/13/2002 10:05:19 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: AzJP
Great idea, then he can bring the rest of his illegal family here too. All the cousins etc.

OR he could go back to where he came from and make a life for himself there instead of trying to sponge federal assistance that should be going to LEGAL American residents only.

24 posted on 09/13/2002 10:05:29 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Tancredo Fan
Tom Tancredo is a smart guy. He knows that by reporting illegal aliens to the INS based on their media sob stories it will get these criminals to think twice about using the media as a tool to circumvent our immigration laws.
25 posted on 09/13/2002 10:05:30 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: dennisw
Maybe the party that offered to pay this kids tuition could transfer that offer to some kid on a reservation. I'm sure there are Native kids on reservations that would like to go to college, ditto inner city kids and kids in woefully poor rural appalachia.(all of whom are citizens and would have to register with selective service at 18, whereas this kid wouldn't IIRC)
26 posted on 09/13/2002 10:05:46 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Tancredo Fan
That is rich. An official of the Mexican government characterizing Tancredo's actions an "arrogant use of power." Must not have spent much time in Mexico lately.

What I think arrogant is for Mexican consular officials to publicly criticize elected in officials and agencies in this country. Way out of line, inappropriate, and UNDIPLOMATIC. This Mexican is sitting on American soil saying, in essence, Americans have no right to enforce their own laws.

That said, Tancredo was really badly advised to have made such a call public. I can't argue with him calling the INS and saying, "Hey, might be a good idea for you to enforce the law." But the way he went about it merely makes himself look mean. Ten points for intentions; 1 point for execution.

Meanwhile, the larger message we are sending out is: come into our country illegally, make no bones about it, then whine in the major media when your kid can't get a free, all-bills-paid college education at taxpayer expense. And then expect no consequences whatsoever. Let's see, try going to Mexico, illegally and then demanding Mexican taxpayers provide you with a free elementary, secondary and college education, and see what happens.

27 posted on 09/13/2002 10:06:10 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: Tancredo Fan
But your right, though, it would be an undesreved reward. I left off the sarcasm tag. It's a privledge to live here, and to break laws here as a foreign national is disrespectful at the very least.
28 posted on 09/13/2002 10:07:36 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion
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To: Travis McGee
Nope, I'm not for passing new laws. A majority of illegals in Arizona are illegal because INS hasn't processed applications/extensions promptly.

If you are defending Big Brother's Paper Pushers, fine, go for it.

I want the INS to move the paper, and if they find no legal objections, then process those folks, get 'em legal, and get 'em into our tax burdened society!

29 posted on 09/13/2002 10:08:10 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: AzJP
They're illegal because they walked/ran over the border, not because their visas/green-cards expired. If their papers aren't ready they should stay the he$$ in MX.
30 posted on 09/13/2002 10:10:25 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Tancredo Fan
Mexico gives no free college education to Americans who are illegally in Mexico. And I've heard numerous complaints from Americans and Mexicans both about how the poorly paid Mexican college professors down there are just as eager to try and SUBTLY extract bribes as their university administration bosses are to unjustly enrich themselves at students', taxpayers' and the overall university's expense. Meanwhile, the USA hosts around 20 million Mexicans whereas Mexico hosts maybe 50,000 of us "gringos". And when we're robbed or attacked down there, the cops only pay temporary attention (out of fear that they're being tape-recorded) but they promptly lose interest once they realize nobody powerful is observing.
31 posted on 09/13/2002 10:10:29 AM PDT by End The Hypocrisy
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To: Tancredo Fan
Well the boy is pretty smart. Surely there must be a college in Mexico that will give him a scholarship. He is after all a citizen of that parasitic nation. Not a citizen of the United States.

I'm fresh out of compassion for these border busters. Michelle Malkin said the same thing last night. How legal immigrants who have to wait years and jump through hoops are outraged at those who are illegal. Who just pick up stakes and move here.
32 posted on 09/13/2002 10:11:08 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Tancredo Fan
They should make them pay back what they owe the taxpayers for all the free education he got. It's their greed that got them caught, they weren't content with what they already took, they wanted more taxpayer dollars.
33 posted on 09/13/2002 10:11:17 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: AzJP
A majority of illegals in Arizona are illegal because INS hasn't processed applications/extensions promptly.

Wrong, it's a minority.

The majority of illegals in Arizona are illegal because they came here illegally, overstayed they legal length of stay or failed to file the proper paperwork.

While there are many problems in the INS, the MAJORITY of the problems are the aliens fault, for failure to comply with INS regulations.

34 posted on 09/13/2002 10:12:46 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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Comfort said INS normally focuses on immigrants who have committed crimes or pose a national security threat.

And THAT'S the problem.
If you want to immigrate to the US go through the channels.
Otherwise, if you get caught you get deported.

35 posted on 09/13/2002 10:14:11 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: AzJP
Nope, I'm not for passing new laws. A majority of illegals in Arizona are illegal because INS hasn't processed applications/extensions promptly.

No way is that true in a border state. Mexicans just crash our borders. Same for some Central Americans. They don't get visas to come here. You are abjectly misinformed.

In other places you will find many illegal aliens how came here legally via a visa and just stayed. And intended to do this from the get go. But not so in  a border state.

36 posted on 09/13/2002 10:15:44 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Tancredo Fan
What has become of our country, when a U.S. Congressman can't get the INS to take action?
37 posted on 09/13/2002 10:16:02 AM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: Black Agnes
You have personal knowledge different than mine. Last illegal I talked with arrived via 747 at LAX.

kj

38 posted on 09/13/2002 10:18:07 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: AzJP; Marine Inspector
Ping to this discussion! AzJP, look at Marine Inspector's profile page. They're not coming here by LAX from MX as a rule, or even as an exception, perhaps as a rarity?
39 posted on 09/13/2002 10:20:39 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Marine Inspector
OOP, see you already 'handled' him. Sorry for the ping. Lagging today.
40 posted on 09/13/2002 10:21:48 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Tancredo Fan
"All I've ever wanted is that my son fulfills his dream" of going to college."

All I've ever wanted is that my son fulfill his dream ahead of other, law-abiding sons who are waiting patiently to legally immigrate. I also wanted to brag about my family's law breaking to a newspaper.
41 posted on 09/13/2002 10:22:49 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: dennisw
My ancestors came to what is now New Mexico in 1863. We've ranched/farmed all over "border" states. Disagree with you sir.

kj

42 posted on 09/13/2002 10:24:06 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: AzJP
Last illegal I talked with just walked over the border at shift change --very close to town. Many come over the bridge on shopping passes and then stay. Very few are here illegally because of paperwork delays.
43 posted on 09/13/2002 10:24:58 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Tancredo Fan
Here in Texas students here illegally get IN-STATE tuition rates at colleges while TAXPAYING Americans have to pay OUT-OF-STATE rate rates. I'm sure this warms the hearts of parents in Okla., La., and N.Mex., who would just love to send their kids to U of Texas law school but can't afford the rates.
44 posted on 09/13/2002 10:25:05 AM PDT by american spirit
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"All I've ever wanted is that my son fulfills his dream" of going to college...."

Yea, well, lots of Americans have that same dream. Only, you know what? They pay the taxes that support our government schools. Therefore, they should have first crack at whether or not their kids go to school, before somebody who does not make a similar contribution.

But, you know what else? I can't begin to tell you how many times I've been shut out of taking a class because of large numbers of aliens, most of whom, I suspect, are the offspring of illegals.

This is what most people don't know, viz., there are only so many spots in a classroom. And when those spots are filled, that's it.

So, excuse me if I don't shed a tear about a criminal who whines about not getting the same rights as Americans.
45 posted on 09/13/2002 10:25:06 AM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: Tancredo Fan
Rep. Tom Tancredo said he contacted the Immigration and Naturalization Service and asked that Jesus Apodaca, 18, and any other undocumented relatives be deported.

Mike Comfort, director of the Denver INS office, confirmed the agency had been contacted by Tancredo but would not comment on how it will respond.

The INS will probably respond by charging Mr. Tancredo with a hate crime.

46 posted on 09/13/2002 10:28:06 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Tancredo Fan
'Do I seem like a bad person? Does my son seem like a bad person?'" said Apodaca's mother, Maria Madrid.

I hate to tell you, Maria, but this isn't the point. You and your family are here illegally, and your son has obtained a high school education from the citizens of this country. If you want your son to have a college education, go home and legally reapply for admittance to the US.

47 posted on 09/13/2002 10:34:23 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: american spirit
GO Tom Tancredo! We need MANY more like you!
48 posted on 09/13/2002 10:35:10 AM PDT by Bigun
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To: AzJP; dennisw
FYI.....

Kidnapping thwarted by elderly woman

Associated Press
Sept. 13, 2002

TUCSON - An elderly woman driving under duress on a southern Arizona highway signaled an alert Border Patrol agent, who stopped a kidnapping in progress, authorities said Thursday.

The woman and her husband, both 73, were accosted Wednesday at their Parker Canyon Lake home by two illegal immigrants after agreeing to provide lunch for the men in exchange for yard work, officials said.

The men initially had requested water, Cochise County Sheriff's spokeswoman Carol Capas said. The couple were not identified.

Capas gave this account:

When the woman heard a noise from the porch and stepped outside, one man grabbed her from behind, restrained her and taped her mouth. She broke free and demanded to know where her husband was.

Her assailant asked for their truck keys, but she refused to provide them until she saw her husband, who was being held on the ground by the second man, bleeding.

The woman told the men her husband needed medical care and convinced them to help them into the truck.

She drove next to her husband and her attacker also sat in front, while the other man climbed into the pickup's bed beneath a camper top. They told her to drive to a nearby RV park, where they picked up five more undocumented immigrants who also climbed into the truck bed.

The woman said she was going to drive to Sonoita for medical help and started blinking her lights and tapping the brakes as she approached a Border Patrol agent on Arizona 83.

The agent saw that the couple and their passenger appeared nervous, turned around and made a traffic stop. The man in the cab jumped out and escaped. The agent arrested the other six people, all illegal immigrants, in the truck bed.

Capas said Ricardo Paredes-Vargas, 20, of Mexico City, whom the woman identified as her husband's assailant, was charged with aggravated assault, kidnapping and conspiracy to commit kidnapping.

He was held in Cochise County Jail pending an initial appearance in Cochise County Superior Court.

The Border Patrol said the other five people were processed and voluntarily returned to Mexico.

The couple were treated for cuts and bruises by emergency medical technicians.

The border needs to be militarized.

49 posted on 09/13/2002 10:35:30 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Bikers4Bush
Kick the leeches out

Yep, and start here in California, where there are several million of them, and California taxpayers get to pay for their sorry asses.

50 posted on 09/13/2002 10:38:13 AM PDT by janetgreen
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