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The 'chicken hawk'?
Townhall.com ^ | September 12, 2002 | R. Emmett Tyrrell

Posted on 09/13/2002 10:15:47 AM PDT by Gritty

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As the debate over the fate of Saddam Hussein moves from a simmer to a boil, perhaps you have noticed that the Scrupling Few are again employing the term "chicken hawk." The Scrupling Few are those who at once are negative toward war with Saddam and also positive -- at least vaguely positive.

This is not to say they are positive for war exactly, but for good things to come from Washington, despite the evil Republicans. In describing the Scrupling Few, one cannot be much more concrete. They worry, they pontificate, they Scruple.

That is about it. Save for one other thing: They apply the term chicken hawk to those who favor war but have not actually experienced war. Then they Scruple about having done so. It is fair to say that the Scrupling Few are on both sides of the issue of war with Iraq. They are also on both sides of the legitimacy of the term chicken hawk. Some would call them poseurs -- the less mature would call them chickens.

New York Times columnist Bill Keller employed the term chicken hawk the other day in a typically mealy-mouthed column whose vaporous point was that the Scruples of Sen. John Kerry about attacking Baghdad must be taken very seriously because of his Vietnam War record. On the other hand, "the current White House warriors" should be taken less seriously because they are not actually warriors -- neither George W. Bush nor Dick Cheney served in Vietnam.

On yet another hand, Keller does not mean to say that lack of a war record disqualifies a statesman from advocating war. And on his third hand, Keller displays Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, two chicken hawks whose military decisions he presumably admires. (Incidentally, Keller must know that chicken hawk Reagan served in the military. He is merely Scrupling again.) And on the fourth hand, Keller does not approve of the term chicken hawk, though he does not disapprove -- regular readers of Keller's New York Times column must be devotees of magic acts.

Continuing his balmy sleight of hand with the term chicken hawk, Keller raises the key question: "Does that mean that those of us who avoided combat, including the current White House warriors (and your astigmatic columnist (self-effacing humor, that!)), are less worthy of trust on the subject of war?" Well, as you can imagine, Keller believes himself abundantly worthy of our trust, despite his admission to having "avoided" combat. He is, however, less confident of investing trust in the president and vice president. Now is it fair or even accurate for Keller to accuse them of avoiding combat? Strictly speaking, he is saying that they "shunned" combat. Has Keller any evidence?

Perhaps it is at this point appropriate to interrupt Keller's magic act and puncture another of the liberals' many myths about the Vietnam War. Keller and his confreres would have us believe that any member of the Vietnam generation (roughly, those men of draft-age between 1964 and 1975) who did not serve in the military "avoided" the military. That would make the Vietnam generation the largest cohort of draft dodgers in American history. It would also make Bill Clinton just one of the guys -- though his now well-documented efforts in the 1960s to avoid his physical and dupe his draft board were highly unusual and shameful.

Only about 8 percent of the Vietnam generation ever went to Southeast Asia, most to Vietnam. Only about 25 percent ever served in any branch of the military, overseas or stateside. Today, the liberals solemnly praise the Vietnamese veterans, but during the late 1960s and early 1970s, they often reviled them as war criminals. Jane Fonda went so far as to call our POWs "hypocrites and liars," for claiming torture at the hands of the North Vietnamese. Thus some 75 percent of the Vietnam generation never wore a uniform. They were not supposed to. The military had no need of them. If it had needed them, standards would have been lowered and exemptions tightened. The vast majority of the Vietnam generation's draft records were perfectly legal and honorable.

Finally, Keller's dismissal of President George W. Bush's military service is as misleading as his dismissal of President Reagan's. When the other 75 percent of his generation was following its civilian pursuits, the future president was flying F-107s in the Air National Guard. Is this combat avoidance? Tell that to the tens of thousands of National Guard troops serving abroad in the war on terror.

Bootlegging a person's military record into his presentation of whether or not to fight a war is another example of the genetic fallacy. The validity of an idea depends on the coherence of the evidence adduced not on whether we like or admire those advancing the idea. If the Scrupling Few come up with a compelling argument for allowing Saddam Hussein to remain in power, I shall be on their side. But to Scruple is not to convince.


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1 posted on 09/13/2002 10:15:47 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Gritty
Remember how the liberals siad that it did'nt matter that Klinton never served in the military? He was the first president since FDR to hold that distinction.

Besides the outright hypocrisy of the NY Slimes, the point is that America is not military nation and makes a point to have its military entrusted to the command by civilians. In that fact, there can be no such thing as a "Chicken Hawk" and its ridiculous for any liberal or military person to argue otherwise.

2 posted on 09/13/2002 10:28:05 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator
Remember Clinton's sloppy salutes?
3 posted on 09/13/2002 11:48:15 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111
Yes I do. He looked like a jack@$$. All it would take would ahve been for someone to sit him down for 5-10 minutes to show him how to do it. However, I bet that Klinton never cared nor did anyone around him care.
4 posted on 09/13/2002 12:30:47 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Gritty
BUMP!
5 posted on 09/13/2002 12:35:12 PM PDT by adam stevens
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To: KC_Conspirator
In that fact, there can be no such thing as a "Chicken Hawk" and its ridiculous for any liberal or military person to argue otherwise.

I've seen 'chicken hawk' thrown around by a lot of FReepers lately. And they weren't in the military. Does this make them liberal? Heh-heh

6 posted on 09/13/2002 12:50:14 PM PDT by Isle of sanity in CA
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To: KC_Conspirator
People forget that Clinton "loathed" the military and yet became commander in chief. You didn't expect the rules and allowances the media made for Clinton to set any precedent for future presidents, did you?

Acknowledging that Bill Clinton was wrong/bad for America/a liar during his administration would mean that all of the "Clinton haters" in the "vast right wing conspiracy" and on "(conservative) talk radio" were right all along. They give up too much ground to make that concession. They started to dig at him over the pardons in the final hours of his administration but that was soon forgotten. They circled the wagons again. He's still a powerful fundraiser for the 'Rats. They'll write the history books and appraisals of his administration and omit the details that show him in a bad light.

The more people that realize the hypocrisy of the mainstream media, the more people will stop paying them any attention.

7 posted on 09/13/2002 1:11:05 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
I thought that "chicken hawks" were what the advocates of NAMBLA were called.
8 posted on 09/13/2002 1:12:11 PM PDT by weegee
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To: jjm2111

Somebody doesn't want to be here...

9 posted on 09/13/2002 1:15:53 PM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee
She must be thinking, "I HATE that goddammed flag."


10 posted on 09/13/2002 1:26:50 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Isle of sanity in CA
Not necessarily. My point was that the US military ultimately answers to a civilian and this was unique at one time and set an example for the rest of the world. So, having military experience is not pre-requisite for holding office, even the highest office in the land. You don't have to have military experience to understand that we need a military response to threats to our national security.
11 posted on 09/13/2002 1:43:15 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: weegee
You didn't expect the rules and allowances the media made for Clinton to set any precedent for future presidents, did you?

Only the next democrat.

12 posted on 09/13/2002 1:46:47 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Gritty
Chicken Hawk? Did you say Chicken Hawk?


13 posted on 09/13/2002 1:48:55 PM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: KC_Conspirator
Agree with you 100%
14 posted on 09/13/2002 2:24:31 PM PDT by Isle of sanity in CA
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To: Gritty
future president was flying F-107s in the Air National Guard.

Actually F-102s. There was an F-107, but only 3 prototypes, it lost out to the F-105

Texas ANG F-102s

F-107

15 posted on 09/13/2002 3:01:30 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: KC_Conspirator
America is not military nation

Well I don't know that I'd say that. It was supposed to be like Switzerland, of which it has been said that "Switzerland doesn't have an Army, it IS an Army".

16 posted on 09/13/2002 3:02:45 PM PDT by El Gato
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