Answers to Ron Paul's Questions on Iraq From an Opponent of the War

Lew Rockwell ^ | 9/14/02 | Jacob G. Hornberger

[Roscoe]

Fortunately, our war efforts against terrorists and those who support them isn't being conducted by ignorant America haters.

Come up with that cite showing the war powers act is "unconstitutional" yet?

[Texasforever]

Because he doesn't let UN inspectors on his turf? Or is it now our turf?

Yes and yes.

[Ragin1]

Bottom line Roscoe, so I can end this right here and now, do you believe the Constitution Of The United States means what it reads, by Blacks law, the law of the land at the time of writing, or do you believe in our courts rewriting of the intent of said document. I refuse to take this into semantics with you, and do believe you know exactly what you are doing here tonite.

[Ragin1]

Iraq is now part of our soveriegn?

[Ragin1]

You ignored the other 4 ?'s, conveniently.

[Ragin1]

Just keyed on another buzzword, "American Hater", can you define that for me Roscoe?

[Ragin1]

Please tell us how good the soveriegn of Kuwait is, and outline its worthiness of our tax dollars. Then can you tell me, why am I Kuwait's keeper?

[Texasforever]

Iraq is now part of our soveriegn?

Iraq is our enemy. The cease-fire with that enemy is about to be rescinded. Now, that is the real world whether you like it or not.

[Ragin1]

..............crickets.............................

And goodnite.

[Ragin1]

I didn't ask you about your opine of the "real world". I did ask about Kuwaits worthiness, wether Iraq is one of our outposts, and do please show me how Iraq is our enemy.

[Roscoe]

I refuse to take this into semantics with you

You may want to ignore the meaning of the words in in our Constitution, the history of our nation and the decisions of our courts. Given the poverty of your arguments, that seems to be the only course open to you.

Got that "the war powers act is unconstitutional" cite yet?

[Texasforever]

Please tell us how good the soveriegn of Kuwait is, and outline its worthiness of our tax dollars. Then can you tell me, why am I Kuwait's keeper?

Kuwait is not attacking its neighbors. But even you had to know that right? Look you have no concept of the concepts you are conceptualizing. You have some internalized definition of what the world SHOULD BE and not a clue about what the world really is. You talk in bumper sticker “visualize world peace” pap that has absolutely no relevance beyond your fellow navel gazers.

[Ragin1]

"the decisions of our courts"

At least you admit that much.

[Ragin1]

I really did chuckle at your wit.

[exodus]

To: Boonie Rat; jwalsh07; CIB-173RDABN
"...The long and short of it now is that those that are interested in defending the Constitution had better pick their battles a lot more wisely than those in the foreign policy forum, because there is a century+ worth of precedent for ignoring the constitution or abusing it in the foreign policy forum..."
# 121 by Lizard_King

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I'm picking out only one of your excellent points for dispute, Lizard_King.

As you say, there is a "century+ worth of precedent for ignoring the Constitution...in...foreign policy..."

Rather than seeing that fact as a reason to AVOID a fight for the restoration of the Constitution, I see that as the reason to push that very point to the limit.

Anybody can read the Constitution, and an honest reading, combined with a century of our government ignoring the written limits on Executive power, provides PROOF that our country has abandoned the Constitution, and thus the principle of the Rule of Law.

For our society to survive, we MUST return to the Rule of Law.

[M. Thatcher]

Only a statist would see it such.

Only someone with the IQ of a jar of mayonnaise WOULDN'T see it as such.

[Ragin1]

And exactly how long has our fearless leader been following the rule of law as stated in the WPA? Just how often did Bush keep our speaker informed about the state of the Iraq situation?

[Roscoe]

Don't you know that it's unconstitutional to protect our nation from the threat of international terrorism? Just ask Ron Paul.

/sarcasm

[exodus]

To: Boonie Rat; jwalsh07; CIB-173RDABN
"...Has Saudi Arabia more definitely failed to be in line with our interests? Yes.

But I think we have an opportunity to get rid of a really complex situation in Iraq right now, and then phase III should involve the rest of the Arab world..."
# 121 by Lizard_King

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I'm all for the conquest of the Arad world, but it needs to be done legally.

We're not fooling any Arab state by avoiding an open declaration of war. They know we're coming, just as you do.

Without a legal Declaration of War from Congress, we are doing more damage to our way of life than any terrorist could hope to do.

Without the Rule of Law, a nation is not a Republic.

If we lose our Republic, our free society's time is over.

[Ragin1]

You know what exodus? I'm inclined ot agree with him/her, about choosing the constitutional battles. We havn't had a formal declaration of war since 1941?

Lizard_King

Where do you think is a good place to start? I do tend to nitpic every instance.