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Answers to Ron Paul's Questions on Iraq From an Opponent of the War
Lew Rockwell ^ | 9/14/02 | Jacob G. Hornberger

Posted on 09/14/2002 5:32:18 AM PDT by Boonie Rat

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To: Gumption
Only if my neigbor pays me to defend said property. (of course I'll have to tax the hell out of my family to provide said defense if the neigbor doesn't provide the funding)
61 posted on 09/14/2002 8:08:32 AM PDT by Ragin1
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To: exodus
I think we run into some difficult problems when we attempt to apply the U.S. Constitution to brutal dictators such as Hussein.
62 posted on 09/14/2002 8:09:50 AM PDT by John W
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To: Gumption
No man may be told to surrender his right of self-defense, not even if he was convicted of a crime.

To: exodus
You would allow guns in prison????????
# 46 by Gumption

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Of course not, Gumption.

Prisoners are not free men.

63 posted on 09/14/2002 8:10:00 AM PDT by exodus
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To: Boonie Rat
Paul and Hornberger are off the reservation with this BS dialogue.

2. Is it not also true that we are willing to bomb Iraq now because
we know it cannot retaliate - which just confirms that there is no
real threat?

Iraq (or any other vicious raghead country working with terrorists) can retaliate and we have a huge hole and 3,000 dead in NYC to
prove it.


13. How can Hussein be compared to Hitler when he has no navy or air force, and now has an army 1/5 the size of twelve years ago, which even then proved totally inept at defending the country?

Hitler was a big man on the world stage with small weapons; Hussein is a small man with (potentially or actually) big weapons. The similarity is in the mentality -- natural born killers.


29. What is the moral argument for attacking a nation that has not
initiated aggression against us, and could not if it wanted?


We don't know whether Hussein was behind the 9/11 attack or
not and to say that he could not initiate aggression against us in
plainly nonsensical.


33. Is it not true that since World War II Congress has not declared
war and - not coincidentally - we have not since then had a
clear-cut victory?


Gulf War, Panama, Grenada, Dominican Republic


America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
New Link: Download 8 Mb zip file here (60 minute video)

64 posted on 09/14/2002 8:13:26 AM PDT by JCG
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To: exodus
It is hard to re-write history when there are people alive when it occured. The United States went to war against Iraq because the UN ordered us to?

That is almost too silly to answer.

65 posted on 09/14/2002 8:15:21 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: sinkspur
Why then is Iraq expected to surender it's right of self-defense at the order of that same foreign power, the United Nations?

To: exodus
You're forgetting the agreement that Iraq signed after the Gulf War. If Iraq proved that it had no (weapons of mass destruction) nor program to develop such, the sanctions would be lifted and Iraq could rejoin the family of civilized nations. Iraq doesn't want to do this, of course, because Hussein is a lawless thug. He's got to go.
# 48 by sinkspur

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Hussein was left in power.

As sovereign of his nation, he has the responsibility to protect his subjects. To protect his subjects, he MUST have weapons. For weapons to be effective against the armies of another nation, they must be "weapons of mass destruction."

If Hussein needed to go, the time to do it was during the previous illegal war, not in a new illegal war.

66 posted on 09/14/2002 8:16:40 AM PDT by exodus
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To: Ragin1
Had alleged Libertarians of Ron Paul's (yellow) stripe been in charge during the American Revolution, they'd still be arguing over "first use of force" when overrun by British troops.

Had alleged Libertarians of Ron Paul's (yellow) stripe been in charge during the Civil War, we'd be a divided nation which ultimately got carved up and occupied by monarchial empires centered in Europe.

Had alleged Libertarians of Ron Paul's (yellow) stripe been in charge during the First World War, a German Empire would span Europe, and be looking to expand into the Americas by now.

Had alleged Libertarians of Ron Paul's (yellow) stripe been in charge during the Second World War, we'd have capitulated to a nuclear armed Germany by 1944 or 1945.

Yep, Libertarians and their allies on the far loony right have one goal - the utter destruction of our society and the freedom we do enjoy at the bootheels of foreign conquerors. Guess that would give them a lot more to whine about.

67 posted on 09/14/2002 8:19:48 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: 11B3; CIB-173RDABN
...what was your MOS?

29E10V81P

HOOAH!

68 posted on 09/14/2002 8:24:10 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: exodus
How will we know who attacked Israel with that nuclear weapon?
69 posted on 09/14/2002 8:24:13 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Ragin1
Iraq "aggressed" against Kuwait, amongst others, of course..."
# 50 by jwalsh07

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Iraq "aggressed" against Kuwait, amongst others, with the full knowledge and support of the United States.

Saddam Hussein even asked permission of the United States ambassador to Iraq, and waited for her to give that permission BEFORE attacking Kuwait.

70 posted on 09/14/2002 8:25:04 AM PDT by exodus
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To: jwalsh07
Your history is correct, except that we didn't have nukes in the early '40s. And, if by "situation" you mean Saddam's being a bona fide threat to the U.S., you are again correct: I do not recognize any immensity of the situation. Just repeating over and over canards about "verge of nuclear devices" does not make it so. Keep shouting, Mr. Goebbels. It has been working. But you had better shout louder: it is working with less and less Americans.
71 posted on 09/14/2002 8:26:03 AM PDT by jammer
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To: exodus
not even if he was convicted of a crime.

I gotta take my girls to soccer now and watch them kick a ball around in no particular direction. I'll check back later.

72 posted on 09/14/2002 8:28:35 AM PDT by Gumption
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To: jammer
Jammer stated:

"We had much more than adequate provocation, if one uses the new "Bush" doctrine of evil people with evil designs on us attempting to acquire WOD."

If the potential aquisition of WOD was the major criteria your theory may have had some validity. The flaw in this statement as well as the original article is the motivation for first strike application of WODs against US by the different entities. USSR motivation and thus restraint was/is about power and control. Mid Eastern motivation is about destruction of western culture. Thus one can be rationaly delt with and prevented (in most cases) whereas the other is inevitable and carries devastating consequences. I.e., Machavelli (sp?) versus Mohamad, political versus religious fanaticism...
73 posted on 09/14/2002 8:29:31 AM PDT by Abogado
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To: Boonie Rat
Discussion of the premise of the article welcomed.

Twisted logic eminating from a basic false premise.

74 posted on 09/14/2002 8:30:15 AM PDT by evad
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To: jammer
What are you raging about? Goebbels? Comparing someone who is interested in the safety and security of the lives of Americans with Goebbels?

Please - don't consider yourself in the ranks of Americans - you don't deserve the honor.

Disgusting.

75 posted on 09/14/2002 8:30:57 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: jwalsh07; Ragin1
Is any contract legal and binding, signed from the wrong end of the gun?

To: Ragin1
Absolutely. More libertarian speak: ...They were repelled and pursuant to the Rules of War signed an unconditional cease fire that contractually obligated them to certain requirements. They committed fraud by not living up to those agreements and are not the subject of non initiatory force because they initiated it in the first place.
# 50 by jwalsh07

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Any agreement that calls for the disarming of any man, or any nation, violates a basic right, the right of self defense.

It is not fraud for a criminal to defend himself, not even if he's the sovereign of a nation defeated in war.

Rights take precedent over any "rule."

76 posted on 09/14/2002 8:31:41 AM PDT by exodus
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
In reality, the far ight comes around to meet the far left and is virtually indistinguishable.

I've said before, and will continue to say, "Far-Right, meet Far-Left. Far-Left, meet Far-Right."

They are made for each other.

77 posted on 09/14/2002 8:32:41 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: jammer
Who are you equating with the Nazi,Goebbels?

That is a time-tested liberal ploy against conservatives.It is beneath any Freeper.

78 posted on 09/14/2002 8:32:53 AM PDT by John W
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To: Scuttlebutt
An agreement made under duress has no force.

No man may be told to surrender his right of self-defense, not even if he was convicted of a crime.

No nation may be told to surrender it's right of self-defense, not even after losing a war.


43 posted on 9/14/02 9:41 AM Central by exodus
79 posted on 09/14/2002 8:33:50 AM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
How are things going regarding the "rights" of the Iraqi people?You are calling for some traditional American rights to be applied to Saddam,how about to his "subjects" as you call them?
80 posted on 09/14/2002 8:35:27 AM PDT by John W
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