Skip to comments.Portland Jews Brace for Assault by 'Jews for Jesus' (anti-Christian Bigotry Alert!)
Posted on 09/15/2002 5:20:45 PM PDT by jstone78
Portland Jews Brace for Assault by 'Jews for Jesus'
By Paul Haist, Jewish Review
Portlands Jewish community has mobilized to resist a two-week assault by Jews for Jesus who will unleash a sizeable squad of trained proselytizers on the city at the beginning of June. A former Eugene rabbi who now specializes in combating Jews for Jesus returned to Oregon May 7 and 8 to help the Jewish community here prepare for the assault. The campaign is planned to coincide with the annual Portland Rose Festival when thousands of people will be on the streets and accessible by pamphleteers.
Rabbi Efraim Davidson is the director of Torah Atlanta, a counter-missionary group that serves the southeast United States. Davidson, who lives in Atlanta now, was a founder and the spiritual leader of Congregation Ahavas Torah in Eugene.
ANTI-'JEWS FOR JESUS' FLIER
The Jewish Federation of Portland and its Community Relations Committee have been aware for several months of JFJ plans to bring their crusade here now to take advantage of the large public gatherings that will occur during the Rose Festival.
Davidson said that the Portland campaign is part of a JFJ five-year program called Behold Your God. He has confronted similar JFJ campaigns in other cities, including Tampa, Fla., and Atlanta.
Behold Your God, is, according to Davidson, a very well coordinated, multi-million-dollar campaign focusing on 66 cities worldwide with Jewish populations of 25,000 or more.
He said that the Jews for Jesus use aggressive proselytizing to target disenfranchised or unaffiliated Jews, Russian immigrants and college students. He said their techniques are manipulative, deceptive and anti-Semitic.
Jews for Jesus have had some success in recent years. Davidson cited figures that show the group has grown from a mere seven U.S. congregations in 1975 to 478 today. There already are at least five so-called messianic congregations in Portland, according to the Web site www.missionportland.org, although Davidson identifies only three messianic congregations here.
Davidson added that in 1973 there were an estimated 10,000 born Jews in the United States who were practicing Christians. Today, 29 years later, he put that figure at about 250,000.
Davidson said the JFJ typically names a coordinator for a particular city that is part of its campaign plan. That person, who he identified as Sue Pearlman in Portland, does the groundwork for the upcoming campaign.
That groundwork includes, said Davidson, hooking up with a messianic congregation and using it as the physical base for training.
The coordinator also usually contacts local Baptist churches to recruit lay Christian volunteers. Davidson said the JFJ relies on the Baptists because they are very motivated evangelicals.
(Excerpt) Read more at torahatlanta.com ...
Learned Jewish scholars don't agree.
To the extent that this fails to be so, these congregations are failing a Christian ideal (at least in the dispensational model). In order that Christian eschatological prophesies be fulfilled, Jews need to retain their identity as a people. That seems to imply that Gentile Christians should not lightly countenance the extinction of Jewish ethnic identity. They should actually encourage the Jewish Christian congregations to keep their ethnic identity, rather than to become white bread "global Christians").
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Romans 3:1-2 (KJV)
>Are you in the habit of deliberately misquoting the Bible? No Bible translation reads that way. A special place in Hell is reserved for people who reword the Bible to say what they want it to say!
You know I am in the habit of making long full text KJB quotes. Because I made a long post in #63, I did not set out the full verse in this instance. Its meaning is not hidden from me and is simple enough for a child to understand. If you have a different meaning then perhaps you have embraced the false doctrine of Replacement Theology and/or you are following a Nicolaitan. Here is the King James Bible for everyone to read in plain English. Here is the Truth, should you choose to accept it: Ps 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. If the words have no place in you or you twist them to a new meaning, then understanding will not be given you.
Ro 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
This thread has a strong stream of anti-semitism running through it under the guise of supposed Jewish bigotry against Christians and has disintegrated into name-calling. While you all bite and devour each other, I will go away and agree with NativeNewYorker in #4 who said:
>"But please have some sympathy for a people who've seen this all before (many times) and simply want to be left alone."
Not to mention a serious felony -- basically a threat of murder. If that's the way it really was played out, which would have been far in excess of what is needed to scare off Jehovah's Witnesses, who (or so the ex-JW founder of Free Minds tells me) are terrified of anything supernatural. A simple claim to manifest some kind of demonic phenomenon would have sent the JW's packing.
Not that (let me hasten to add) I am advocating any such thing! The demonic is (duh!) evil. It just sounds more like a tall tale to me than anything realistic.
The hostility stems not from their (JFJ) beliefs, but from their behavior.
I will only address part of your spewings:
Look up the meaning of the greek word for "kingdom." It's "basileia" and does not mean a king, a government, society, royal family or religion. It means the power and authority by which a king rules. Jesus said that "kingdom" is within you. He also said that it does not come with observation. He was speaking to believers and nonbelievers alike when he said that. He then went on to show what the power and authority can do by healing the sick, raising the dead and casting out demons. He taught his disciples to do the same. One of the first things he did was send out twelve and then another seventy who performed miracles. This was done at a time when he could not give them the holy Spirit by which to do miracles.(John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.) It was the power and authority of the kingdom by which these things were done. And that is what the gospel of the kingdom was all about. That power and authority was at hand - literally at their fingertips as it is today. But in order to weild that power, they needed to repent - turn away from their sins and ask forgiveness of God. John was preaching the gospel of the kingdom and repentance before Jesus went public and began his ministry.
If you cannot understand the gospel of the kingdom, how can you understand those other scriptures you quote?
If you really understood who Jesus really was, you would have so many signs and wonders following you around that people would be seeking you out - you wouldn't have to seek them. Until you reach that exalted state, I suggest you keep your faith to yourself and let the Jews be. As it is written:
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Where I walk those signs follow me. God tells me I'm on the right path. I am not alone - there are others who know of which I speak and walk as I walk. Jesus said to "seek ye first the kingdom of God." (kingdom=power & authority) He did not say to seek any thing else first.
And, addressing repentance: Do you know what Yom Kippur is all about? Do you know anything about Jews repenting of their sins? Do or did you ever do it with the same singleness of purpose and conviction? Do you think a devout Jew does not believe God even as Abraham did?
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
"But the question is what Muslims are supposed to believe. Ahmed's point is that, if Muslims do not proselytize among Christians, they will be denying their own beliefs -- or at least what they claim are their beliefs."
Every person has their own philosophical "row to hoe" and how they do it should be nobody else's business. If I want to discuss my atheism with someone whom I know to be religious, I ask them that we honor each other's differences of outlook. If it seems that this is not going to work, I smile and ask, "Well, anyway, how are the kids?" and drop it. My ego is not dependant on converting anyone else to my philosophy. Life's too short, anyway.
Not every single Christian, even of the early church, went around flashing miracles every which way. That would, however, seem to be the way you are taking this quotation of Jesus Christ.
P.S. can you furnish us with examples of this? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I suspect you wouldn't be posting on Free Republic if you were in a situation typical of those in which miracles are manifested today (i.e. remote areas with a lot of demonic activity, martyrdom, and great dangers).
You slingin' bull???
Thank you for illustrating my point. This sort of hostility toward Christians and their beliefs is exactly what I was talking about.
Thank you for illustrating my point.
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the
Gentiles JEWS, and that they will hear it.
29 And when he had said these words, the
Jews CHURCH departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
Jeremiah 23:5-6 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
True both in the former and latter. But I was referring to the former here. Messianic Jews take the hit as being "not authentically Jewish" for their ideological (religious) stance as conservative blacks take hits as being "not authentically black" for their ideological (political) stance.
Putrid nonsense, the both of them.
Which organization are you referring to? Jews for Jesus or other Messianic groups? A Hispanic Messianic congregation that I know has several members who are fluent in Hebrew and read from the Hebrew Text and simultaneously translate when not reading from the Reina Valera which is the 1569 Spanish translation with a revision in 1602, of the Masoretic Text and Textus Receptus BECAUSE like its English counterpart, the KJV, its translators feared G-d, did a very painstaking job of translating, and didn't try to soften or pervert the message, unlike some of the newer perversions. Bible Gateway.com says: The Reina-Valera Antigua was first translated and published in 1569 by Casiodoro de Reina, after twelve years of intensive work, and later put out in 1602 in revised form by Cipriano de Valera, who gave more than twenty years of his life to its revision and improvement. The NIV translating team had 100 "scholars" from 20 denominations (how ecumenical!) working for ten years, but many of those scholars weren't translators, they were editorial reviewers and stylistic reviewers. Well, betcha by golly wow!
To me, the threat posed by "Jews for Jesus" to mainstream Judaism is nothing compared to this.
With the ultimate goal of hastening The End, no doubt. You do realise that this is an important, but little-advertised reason for our ardent support of Israel?Not the only reason for sure, but it's certainly there. It's certainly the only use some so-called "Christians" have for Jews - cannon fodder for the Apocalypse.
I thought "Wow - the Jews must really like this guy." About a week later, I heard someone on TV calling him "anti-semitic" for one reason or another.
Probably revolving around some of the claims he's made in his books regarding "international bankers," etc. Unfortunately, that's code for "Jews." Whether Robertson meant it that way I don't know.
Messianic Jews are persecuted throughout the world, and I understand that half a million of them were among the victims of the gas chambers of the Holocaust, HOWEVER, Jewish congregations have every right to be anti-missionary, at least while we still have religious freedom in the USA. And I don't blame them one bit! Where are these millions of dollars coming from? We are to pray for Israel, not spend millions of dollars to aggressively "convert them". Messianic Jews who have at their disposal millions of dollars, and join up with popular ecumenical, fundamentalist groups such as WOF and PK, are NOT part of the group of persecuted Messianic Jews. I know some persecuted Messianic Sephardic Jews and they are being persecuted by their evangelical, fundamentalist and/or Catholic relatives and friends, not by any Orthodox, conservative or reformed Jews.
I used to read the NIV, thinking that the KJV was complicated, until one day I was following along with a radio program that was reading from the NIV, but I couldn't find my NIV, so I picked up my grandma's old KJV. Something definitely "clicked" in my spirit when I started to read the KJV, not to mention that the NIV passage they were reading from used the word "slaves" where the KJV used "servants". That's when I started to investigate the NIV. It's a good translation for liberals who like to say things like "the Bible prohibitions of sins like homosexuality are outdated because after all, 'the Bible also permits slavery'." NOT QUITE! They forget to mention that in the Bible, there were laws regarding the treatment of strangers, exiles, slaves and servants, and archaeological excavations of gravesites of early Christians proves that the early Christians freed their bondservants and referred to them as brothers, while pagan civilizations were still torturing and killing slaves.
And as far as Torah Atlanta being anti-Christian bigots, As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are BELOVED for the fathers' sakes. FOR THE GIFTS AND CALLING OF GOD ARE WITHOUT REPENTANCE. Romans 11:28-29 emphasis mine.
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Romans 11:32
It's too bad that those millions of dollars aren't being spent to sustain and protect beloved Israel from the threat of Islamic terrorists.
Is one of the criteria for being a "cultist" smoking cigars, in your mind?
That's okay. We just talked past each other. It's cool (waiving my two fingers towards you right in front of my eyes). That means we're "right here" now.
Isn't it funny that both sides of the political spectrum are always accusing each other of being conspiritorial?
I just wish that liberal Jews would give the "anti-semitic" label a rest. All freepers here who dislike Barbara Striesand (99.9%) could be branded with the scarlet "A" just for disagreeing with her politics. Think that's a stretch? Tell that to the music critic who wrote a negative review of her concert and was immediately attacked by the leftists as a bigot.
I quoted the scriptures that prove Jesus and His disciples clearly claimed there is NO OTHER WAY to God but through Him.
I also showed you that Jesus stated this applied to Jews.
Even a child can understand what those verses say.
These scriptures clearly prove you are wrong when you said the Bible didn't teach the Jews need to believe in Jesus to be saved.
Obviously you cannot challenge any of these scriptures, and instead have gone on a disconnected rant about the definition of "kingdom".
The rest of your post only gets worse;
Where I walk those signs follow me. God tells me I'm on the right path. I am not alone - there are others who know of which I speak and walk as I walk.
Are you trying to make me laugh on purpose or what?
It is clear that you are having a hard time articulating a coherant response to my posts.
Jesus said "NO MAN cometh unto the Father but by Me" (John 14:6)
Jesus told the religious Jews that didn't accept Him as Messiah;
"You shall die in your sins. If you believe that I am not He, you shall die in your sins" (John 8:24)
"Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given unto men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12)
Jesus also told the religious Jews who rejected Him; "If God were your father you would love me".
"You are of your father the Devil"
( John 8:42-44)
Like it or not the scriptures clearly teach the Jews must accept Jesus to be saved.
4567. *SatanasDemons saying they come in peace and tranquillity have filled what represents itself to be the temple and require others to bow to their judgment, i.e. submit. It isn't only Islam that means submission. This is today, not the Roman or Spanish Inquisition. We will serve no god but the L~rd and Him only.
Search for G4567 in KJVSL
satanaV Satanas sat-an-as'
of Chaldee origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite affix);
the accuser, i.e. the devil:--Satan.
The enemies of G~d have been provoked because I pointed out that Replacement Theology is false and Christians are not supposed to exalt themselves over and above Jews lest they be cut off . Demons are raging because they want people to continue to be deceived. Replacement Theology is antisemitic and those who hold to it need to repent of it in every form, and inspect their other doctrines as well to see how they incorporate antisemitism. Some people should seek deliverance from demons.
Antisemites are without the Spirit, without understanding and are themselves under a curse of G~d. Antisemitism is also a "fruit" to inspect to see if another is true or false. We are not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness even if they claim that they are "a Christian." Ye shall know them by their fruits. Who? False prophets. To continue to argue with such is just arguing with demons. The scripture says, "from such turn away" (2Ti 3:5) and "shake the dust" for your feet. Mr 6:11.
Mt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Why don't you mind your own f***ing business.
If you think your God is peachy, great... then worship him and shut the hell up.