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Clinton and Al Qaeda
Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish ^ | Sept. 16.'02 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 09/16/2002 3:02:57 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher

CLINTON AND AL QAEDA:

If you haven't yet, read Lawrence Wright's extraordinary piece of reporting in the New Yorker. It's not online and it's endless, but every page tells you something new about the provenance of al Qaeda, its roots in Egyptian radicalism, and its emergence in the 1990s as such a lethal force. But one thing that deeply impressed me is how damning an indictment this piece is of former president Clinton.

What Wright shows is that Clinton's passivity and inconsistency in the face of Islamist terrorism undoubtedly made matters far worse than they otherwise would have been. By engaging in piece-meal, ineffective and disastrous retreats and half-hearted swipes, Clinton not only failed to stop al Qaeda, he gave it new strength and vigor.

It started early on with Clinton's panicked withdrawal from Somalia:

Bin Laden glorified in the fact that his men had trained the Somali militiamen who shot down two American helicopters in the "Black Hawk Down" incident, in October of [1993], prompting president Clinton to withdraw all American soldiers from the country. "Based on the reports we received from our brothers in Somalia," bin Laden Said, "we learned that they saw the weakness, frailty and cowardice of U.S. troops. Only eighteen U.S. troops were killed. Nonetheless, they fled in the heart of darkness."... Emboldened by the success of the "Black Hawk Down" incident in Somalia, bin Laden escalated his campaign against America.

When the Islamists saw how Washington responded to their terror, they ratcheted their campaign up. And why wouldn't they have? Perhaps the worst of all worlds was Clinton's highly dubious decision to send missiles to attack al Qaeda in Sudan and Afghanistan. Here's Wright again:

The strikes which, in the big-chested parlance of military planners, were dubbed Operation Infinite Reach, cost American taxpayer seventy-nine million dollars, but they merely exposed the inadequacy of American intelligence. President Clinton later explained that one of the strikes had been aimed at a "gathering of key terrorist leaders," but the meeting in question had occurred a month earlier ... The failure of Operation Infinite Reach established bin Laden as a legendary figure not just in the Muslim world but wherever America, with the clamor of its narcissistic culture and the presence of its military forces, had made itself unwelcome. When bin Laden's voice came crackling across the radio transmission - "By the grace of God, I am alive!" - the forces of anti-Americanism had found their champion. Those who had objected the the slaughter of innocents in the embassies in East Africa, many of whom were Muslims, were cowed by the popular response to this man whose defiance of America now seemed blessed by divine favor.The day after the strikes, Zawahiri called a reporter in Karachi, with a message: "Tell the Americans that we aren't afraid of bombardment, threats, and acts of aggression... The war has only just begun; the Americans should now await the answer."

Part of that answer was 9/11. Notice that this story isn't written by a conservative opponent of Clinton or in a conservative magazine. It's by a superb reporter in a left-liberal magazine. No, Clinton is not responsible for al Qaeda, just as Chamberlain wasn't responsible for Hitler.

But Clinton is absolutely responsible for the consequences of his inaction and his appeasement. And it's vital, if we are to prevent a repeat of the fecklessness of the 1990s, that we remember this lesson and take it to heart.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; clinton; somalia
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Limbaugh mentioned this Sullivan piece today in connection with Hillary's appearance on a Sunday talk show, and her claim that the previous administration had done sooooooooooooo much to fight terrorism & the record showed that. Ha!

The New Yorker, usually liberal to leftist, came thru on this one.

1 posted on 09/16/2002 3:02:57 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: dittomom; A Citizen Reporter; ABG(anybody but Gore); acnielsen guy; Angelwood; arazitjh; ...
FYI!
2 posted on 09/16/2002 3:05:31 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher
I like what Sullivan said about the Democrats.

"How many Democrats have come out clearly either for or against a war with Iraq? Very, very few. Daschle bravely said yesterday that the Democrats were "not prepared to make any commitment" to voting on a war resolution until yet more questions are answered. He's scared shitless."

3 posted on 09/16/2002 3:08:34 PM PDT by billorites
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To: Molly Pitcher
I wouldn't purchase the New Yorker if it had next week's lottery numbers.
4 posted on 09/16/2002 3:08:35 PM PDT by Schmedlap
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To: Molly Pitcher
There was a time when the New Yorker was reasonable and thoughtful, not leftist. It was a good magazine for actually reading rather than grazing.

But it changed dramatically, and insufferably so, when Tina Brown became editor. My single letter-to-the-editor was responded to personally and insultingly.

I cancelled my sub only months into Tina Brown's tenure. Apparently she stacked the editorial desk for some time to come.

5 posted on 09/16/2002 3:10:56 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Molly Pitcher
It's funny how Bubba was "obsessed" with getting Bin Laden, and all he did was bomb an aspirin factory. Yet, under W, we have seen terrorist cells exposed in our own country.
6 posted on 09/16/2002 3:11:00 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Molly Pitcher
Carl Limbacher from Newsmax.com also wrote a great book on it -

http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=876&CATID=1&GroupID=1
7 posted on 09/16/2002 3:12:08 PM PDT by M. Peach
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To: billorites; Schmedlap
Pretty blunt (and correct) statement by Sullivan.

Know what you mean about buying the magazine....haven't bought one in years.

I probably should have photocopied the article at the library, but that was off my route this afternoon, and I was impatient to get hold of the piece, so bought it I did.

8 posted on 09/16/2002 3:13:59 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Schmedlap
I wouldn't purchase the New Yorker if it had next week's lottery numbers.

The NY'er has had some very worthy reading of late, not the least of which is a damning article about the demonization of DDT, and how we'd all be better off if it were still in use.

I know, I know... I was as amazed as anyone...

9 posted on 09/16/2002 3:14:32 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: Molly Pitcher
President Clinton later explained that one of the strikes had been aimed at a "gathering of key terrorist leaders," but the meeting in question had occurred a month earlier

I thought Clinton just said he missed bin Laden by only an hour. Maybe he meant an hour in a different galaxy. It's all relative, you know.

10 posted on 09/16/2002 3:15:45 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: angkor
I don't suppose that this particular issue, with this exposé, flying off the shelves would convince the editors toward a rightward tilt???????

Nah....

11 posted on 09/16/2002 3:17:47 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher
Can you see the history lesson in about 30-40 years?

Student: So, are you saying President Clinton acted just like Chamberlain, and for the same reasons?

Teacher: Well, not exactly. You see, President Clinton was more interested in BJ's and just didn't have time to bother...

==We are vindicated and now the libs should see why that man disgusts us so much! (But of course they won't...;-)
12 posted on 09/16/2002 3:18:49 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Ha, ha! A minor detail to be sure!

Yes, that's one of the points Limbaugh was bringing up too..

13 posted on 09/16/2002 3:19:10 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Humidston
No...not holding my breath....Nor am I likely to be around in 40 years;^)
14 posted on 09/16/2002 3:21:23 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher
Interestingly enough, Neal Boortz (a libertarian radio show host down here in the South with whom I have many disagreements) read off statements made by Dems at that time, ranging from Daschle to - well, all of them - supporting Clinton's feeble gestures. Those are the same people who are now opposed to attacking Saddam.

Clinton was lousy, weak and timid, and he was enabled by partisan politics that never demanded that he actually produce results.
15 posted on 09/16/2002 3:22:19 PM PDT by livius
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To: Molly Pitcher
Thanks. I just forwarded Sullivan's piece to all my demonrat friends.
16 posted on 09/16/2002 3:23:58 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: Molly Pitcher
BTTT for later read
17 posted on 09/16/2002 3:24:44 PM PDT by Diva Duck
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To: Molly Pitcher
her claim that the previous administration had done sooooooooooooo much to fight terrorism & the record showed that.

Yep. The record does show that, in several distinct, unmistakeable areas:

1) A crater in a field in Pennsylvania (Flight 93)

2) The crumbled walls of the Pentagon.

3) The pile of rubble that was once the World Trade Center

4) The piles of rubble that were once US Embassies in Africa.

5) The pile of rubble that was once barracks for US Air Force personnel in Saudi Arabia.

6) The gaping hole in the hull of the USS Cole.

7) The big hole that was once a parking garage for the World Trade Center.

8) The pile of rubble that was once the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

Yes - the record is VERY VERY clear on how much the Clintons had done to fight terrorism....

18 posted on 09/16/2002 3:25:00 PM PDT by NorCoGOP
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To: angkor
Under its current editor, David Remnick, the New Yorker runs much better articles than it did under Tina Browne.
19 posted on 09/16/2002 3:25:08 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: NorCoGOP
Now why didn't Russert - or whoever's show it was, I forget - come up with that list???? Hmmmmmmmm........
20 posted on 09/16/2002 3:27:01 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Paul Atreides
Limbaugh aptly noted at the end of his show how sinkEmperor did succeed in preventing any further attacks on the US by aspirin factories. Hillary slipped up in failing to note that cogent fact. (/sarcasm)
21 posted on 09/16/2002 3:27:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: PoisedWoman
You're very welcome. Sullivan is probably worth checking daily.
22 posted on 09/16/2002 3:28:00 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher
Wow. A piece of real journalism from the Left/socialist/communist/axis.
23 posted on 09/16/2002 3:28:36 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Molly Pitcher
I too am sending this brilliant Sullivan piece to many in need. Alas, nothing gets through blind adoration.
24 posted on 09/16/2002 3:29:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: livius
Sounds like co-dependency between a large part of the population and Clinton...
25 posted on 09/16/2002 3:30:18 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: aristeides
That's good to hear about the new editor. Maybe the magazine reached its low point under Browne.
26 posted on 09/16/2002 3:38:20 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Paul Atreides
Ping - but we least forget that he shot a couple of million-dollar missiles at a tent and hit a CAMLE in the ASS, as was noted buy Bush during a meeting in the White House with Hitlery present.
27 posted on 09/16/2002 3:42:07 PM PDT by Slipjack
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To: Molly Pitcher
Hey, thanks for the ping, MP.

People here can trash the New Yorker all they want - and I don't advocate spending one's hard-earned dollars on it - but it's very significant to find the article Sullivan describes there. Liberals have an automatic, knee-jerk reaction to anything (and I do mean ANYTHING) that doesn't come from one of their "trusted" sources. You could have photographs, sworn affidavits, taped conversations, and fingerprints showing Clinton to be guilty of negligence and malfeasance, but if it comes out in a conservative or less-than-satisfactorily-liberal magazine, it will be given the complete miss by liberals. But when it's in the New Yorker, it makes it much trickier to be ignored by them. Still, I doubt the guy who wrote it isn't going to have such smooth sailing for a while with his liberal pals.

28 posted on 09/16/2002 3:42:47 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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You're welcome, Mr. M. I agree...significant....and boy do I hope Hillary noticed!
29 posted on 09/16/2002 3:45:36 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: NorCoGOP; Molly Pitcher
6) The gaping hole in the hull of the USS Cole.

I have never seen the following info on FR (though it certainly could have been and I missed it) and have been reluctant to mention it myself ..... but perhaps the time has come.

One of the victims on the USS Cole was a young lady from near Charlotte, NC ...... Lakeina Monique Francis, age 19. She was a mess mangagement specialist.

..... her remains were the last to be found but her family was finally able to have a funeral for the young lady.

Months later, the family was notified that additional remains had been found. The family had a second burial service, this time using a child-sized coffin.

When I think of the nightmare of a family going through that ..... two separate funerals for the same beloved child ..... I burn with rage .....

..... just as I smolder when I think of the 2-year-old on one of the planes that crashed into the WTC. Any group of people who would use an innocent toddler as a weapon in that way is depraved beyond my comprehension!

These evil people must be destroyed before they destroy us. And the thought that x42 at best looked the other way and did nothing angers me beyond words!!!

30 posted on 09/16/2002 3:53:05 PM PDT by kayak
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To: Molly Pitcher
I'm going to Borders this evening, and I am planning on buying that issue of The New Yorker. It is usually a good read anyway. Thanks for the heads up.
31 posted on 09/16/2002 3:55:47 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
You're welcome, Utah Girl. That's where I got my copy, plus a couple of other items...sigh...can't go into Borders without spending at least $5.
32 posted on 09/16/2002 3:59:52 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher; All
It's a lot to read through, but I have quite a bit here:

Bush and Clinton and 911- some facts...

33 posted on 09/16/2002 4:00:46 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: kayak
So sad, Kay. Glad a proper burial was able to take place........
34 posted on 09/16/2002 4:00:58 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: aristeides
Since Tina was egregiously involved in converting the New Yorker from a great magainze into a vessel of socialist swill, any change would be to the better.

I'll wait to hear of their turn to reality.

35 posted on 09/16/2002 4:05:54 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Molly Pitcher
Are there any links to the Lawrence Wright article?
36 posted on 09/16/2002 4:14:36 PM PDT by MHT
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To: Molly Pitcher
You're lucky to get out at that price. I won't even say how much I usually spend in Borders. :)
37 posted on 09/16/2002 4:16:06 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Molly Pitcher
Me neither, LOL! But at least my grandchildren will know I didn't make all this up!
38 posted on 09/16/2002 4:28:36 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: PoisedWoman
You still have demonrat friends??

Mine have disappeared for the most part. They're avoiding me like the plague, LOL!
39 posted on 09/16/2002 4:31:17 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: Molly Pitcher
Thanks for the ping. You realize none of this can be true. Just yesterday with my own ears I heard Hillary, the former co-president, tell Tim Russert that NOBODY did more to fight terrorism or get Bin Laden than her beloved husband. It's all a vast right wing conspiracy to take away his legacy.
40 posted on 09/16/2002 4:41:59 PM PDT by McLynnan
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To: Molly Pitcher
Thanks for the ping. Next time I'm in the bookstore, I'll check it out.
41 posted on 09/16/2002 4:53:55 PM PDT by dittomom
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It's all a vast right wing conspiracy to take away his legacy.

Oh yeh... How could I forget that??? Sheesh...

MHT, my understanding is that Atlantic Monthly is not online, but haven't actually checked... will do that now.

42 posted on 09/16/2002 4:57:59 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: MHT
I mean the New Yorker...busy day here...
43 posted on 09/16/2002 4:59:43 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: MHT
I meant the article...

Here's the link to the mag's website, and as Sullivan says above, the article doesn't seem to be online...

NewYorker.com

44 posted on 09/16/2002 5:05:12 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: aristeides
"Under its current editor, David Remnick, the New Yorker runs much better articles than it did under Tina Browne."

Remnick authored "King of the World," a biography of Muhammed Ali. One might expect it to be about his boxing career but it's not. While it does touch on his matches, the book is about Ali the person and what drives him. It's a fascinating book and very, very well written. I recommend it highly.
45 posted on 09/16/2002 7:39:32 PM PDT by Chu Gary
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To: MHGinTN
That was a classic assessment by Rush Limbaugh!
46 posted on 09/16/2002 8:20:52 PM PDT by harpo11
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To: Molly Pitcher
Thank you for posting this from AndrewSullivan.com. I heard Rush mention this today, and really wanted to read the text from Sullivan's "Daily Dish" for myself.
47 posted on 09/16/2002 8:53:43 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: firebrand; StarFan; Dutchy; stanz; RaceBannon; Doctor Raoul; evilC; Black Agnes; Cacique; ...
FYI

Please see Molly Pitcher's Post #1. Rush Limbaugh brought this article to light this afternoon.

48 posted on 09/16/2002 9:11:27 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: nutmeg
BTTT
49 posted on 09/16/2002 9:28:20 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: Molly Pitcher
New Democrat Party Mottos ***THREAD FOUR*** Al Qaeda Registered Democrats
50 posted on 09/16/2002 9:36:42 PM PDT by JeepInMazar
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