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Best Places To Go To Prison
Forbes ^ | Penelope Patsuris

Posted on 09/17/2002 12:12:03 PM PDT by wallcrawlr

NEW YORK - As disgraced former Tyco Chief Executive L. Dennis Kozlowski faces new charges of fraud and theft on top of multiple tax-evasion indictments, prison time seems nearly certain.

Where does a man who has everything go to do hard time? While convicts don't get to choose their poison, er, prison, they can make requests. With that in mind, we reviewed the federal penitentiary system and picked the five very best places to go to prison.

Wherever Kozlowski ends up, he'll likely be in good company, since Adelphia founder John Rigas has been cuffed and the Feds are circling WorldCom's Bernie Ebbers. And still on the Department of Justice's to-do list are Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia's namesake, Global Crossing's Gary Winnick, Qwest Communications' execs and, of course, the Enron alumni who ushered in the era.

Eglin is the original "Club Fed," nicknamed as such back in the 1980s when prisoners were allowed to wear their own clothes and even go home to have dinner with their families. Those fast and loose days are long gone, but the nickname has stuck. Inmates maintain the golf course at nearby Eglin Air Force Base, but make no mistake--they never get the chance to hit a few themselves. Disgraced shoe designer Steve Madden is scheduled to do his 41-month sentence here.

Location: Fort Walton Beach, Fla. Opened: 1962 Capacity: 800 Population: 792 Amenities: Open dormitories hold 50 men who sleep in two-man cubicles. Softball, basketball, soccer, flag football, universal weight machine, free weights. Vocational training offered in diesel and small-engine mechanics; dental assistant apprenticeships. Prisoner perks: Eglin has an active music department that sponsors a number of inmate bands and also has a stash of instruments that prisoners can check out. Also of note is the camp's strong religious studies program that even goes so far as to offer Native American practitioners a small hide tent that can be used as a sweat lodge.

Nellis is one camp that is often requested by white-collar criminals because it's the only minimum-security facility on the West Coast that's freestanding--or, in other words, that isn't located alongside a higher-security prison. Camps that co-exist with hard-core cellblocks feel more like "real" prisons since camp inmates often have to work inside of them, surrounded by the razor wire and watchtowers.

Location: North Las Vegas Opened: 1990 Capacity: 415 Population: 588 Amenities: Men sleep four to a cubicle in open dorms that hold up to 40. Softball, basketball, soccer, flag football, universal weight machine, free weights, stationary bikes and stair stepper machines, as well as pool and pingpong tables. Classes offered in leatherworking and general art. Prisoner perks: The dormitories at Nellis are air conditioned, which is unusual for a system that's generally bereft of any creature comforts. And Nellis' gym is better equipped than those at other camps. Most prisons just let inmates pump iron, but Nellis actually has cardio equipment (albeit very old), including stationary bikes and stair climbers.

Perched amid the rolling Blue Ridge Mountains of West Virginia, Morgantown is one of the most picturesque camps in the system. Inmates say it is not unusual for them to awake in the morning to the sight of deer grazing on the compound.

Location: Morgantown, W.Va. Opened: 1969 Capacity: 935 Population: 1,009 Amenities: Dorms house up to 300 men, sleeping in two-man cubes. Weights, pool and pingpong tables. Classes in leatherworking, art and wood carving. No organized team sports. Vocational training offered in data entry and welding, plus apprenticeship programs in baking, commercial photography, computer technology, air-conditioning systems, landscaping, printing presses, painting and plumbing. Prisoner perks: Morgantown is the only prison camp that isn't located on a military base. This means that instead of taking three or four hours getting cleared to enter the base and then the camp, Morgantown visitors can practically breeze right in and out.

Otisville was designed primarily with the Orthodox Jewish community in mind, although it is not officially designated as a Jewish facility. It was built in response to the fact that Orthodox Jews often tried to get out of doing time by making the legal argument that the Bureau of Prisons violated their First Amendment rights because it could not accommodate their religious lifestyle.

Location: Otisville, N.Y. Opened: 1980 Capacity: 100 Population: 119 Amenities: One dorm with two-man cubicles. Playing cards, board games and walking. No athletics. No vocational training. Prisoner perks: Kosher kitchen, weekly Shabbat observances. Every year during Passover, Jewish convicts are flown into Otisville temporarily to participate in a seder.

Allenwood is mentioned often by the media, probably because so many convicts from the New York City area are sent there. And like Eglin, inmates used to be permitted privileges like having food from the outside sent in. But after the public became outraged by these cushy conditions, the camp was overhauled and is now considerably more austere.

Location: Montgomery, Pa. Opened: 1993 Capacity: 567 Population: 584 Amenities: Dorms house up to 80 men in two-man cubicles. Softball, basketball, soccer, flag football, universal weight machine, free weights, pool and pingpong tables. Vocational training offered in horticulture. One program is 150 hours, another is 500 hours. Graduates of both receive certificates of completion. Prisoner perks: Its musical program not only provides instruments but also offers inmate-led instruction. Allenwood is also known for having a particularly diverse inmate population--which, according to experts, makes it a little easier for white-collar convicts to fit in.


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1 posted on 09/17/2002 12:12:03 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: wallcrawlr
IF the rumors I hear about Tyco are true- alot of people are going to jail. What I have heard is that when Tyco would buy a company they would then require that the suppliers to the company they just bought send two invoices for their orders. One would be to the newly purchased company for about 80 percent of the order and the other would be to an outside entity for the the remainder. That way- Tyco could immediatly point to the bottom line of their new pruchase and say how they "reduced" expenditures. That is outright theft and fraud.
2 posted on 09/17/2002 12:18:36 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: wallcrawlr
Another of these country clubs is Seagoville in SE Dallas County, Texas. This where some of the Watergate people were sent. From HWY 175, you can see the luminated tennis courts.
3 posted on 09/17/2002 12:20:01 PM PDT by Deguello
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To: wallcrawlr

4 posted on 09/17/2002 12:43:14 PM PDT by Icthus
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To: wallcrawlr
The people who most need to go to jail are the people you'll never hear about. There are those who sold stock for hundreds of dollars a share two years ago, stock that is now worth less than a dollar a share in many cases. These greedheads inflated the value of their stocks through a wide variety of manipulations, not to mention the dirty games they played on the way to the top. And they'll never see the inside of a prison cell, or ever a courtroom. Our system just isn't designed to deal with the kind of institutional corruption that has become all-pervasive in this country over the last decade or so.

We don't have the resources to deal with the stark reality of having one in five businessment being absolute criminals, and two others being shady when it's to their advantage to be shady. When a minority of businessmen have ethics, and a majority are unethical, the system simply breaks down.

I believe we are in the beginning stages of that breakdown now. It starts when the average "Joe Sixpack" investor loses all interest in stocks, and only wants to put their money in the bank. We are just entering that stage. It will be a long, long time before people once again get interested in Wall Street as a way to make money. Probably something like fifty years or so.
5 posted on 09/17/2002 12:43:45 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Deguello
Eglin has lighted tennis courts too.

Many times, I've noticed the Club Fed men milling around drink machines in the BX parking lot...the ones dressed in Navy Blue Dockers with pressed white shirts..:~)

I think they were supposed to be doing hard labor, picking up trash in the parking lot.

sw

6 posted on 09/17/2002 12:47:56 PM PDT by spectre
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To: Billy_bob_bob
The people who most need to go to jail are the people you'll never hear about. There are those who sold stock for hundreds of dollars a share two years ago, stock that is now worth less than a dollar a share in many cases. These greedheads inflated the value of their stocks through a wide variety of manipulations, not to mention the dirty games they played on the way to the top.

The real culprits of inflated stock values were Bob Rubin and Alan Greenspan. Why aren't you calling on them to be investigated, or sent to prison? The ratio of dishonest to honest people is the same as it's always been. That's why capitalism evolved in a way that allows risk to be diversified. Most new businesses fail. That's always been the case, but the few good businesses that survive more than make up for it. Our capitalist system can handle that high level of risk. It always has. The only times it's appeared to fail is when the government got too involved.

The current attitude in this country, as evidenced by our post, is going to end up punishing the good businesses, and the good investors, while the government, more than willing to satisfy your lust for corporate blood, will continue to flourish more than ever at the taxpayers expense.

7 posted on 09/17/2002 1:13:38 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62; Billy_bob_bob
And also never forget the accounting fraud that is going on in the governments books.
We in the private sector cant try hard enough to ever reach that level.
8 posted on 09/17/2002 1:20:56 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: Moonman62
If you've seen some of my other posts you would know that I'm more than happy to go after the government greedheads as well. It is a sad fact that our government has squandered many, many times the wealth stolen by corporate shenanigans. Heck, H.U.D. by itself has probably squandered more wealth than Enron, Tyco and Global Crossing combined.

What really has my dander up is that I've seen firsthand just how corrupt our justice system is. It is driven by one thing, money. Lady Justice has scales so that she can weigh how much gold each side is willing to spend on the case. Whoever spends the most wins. It's just that simple.

When you have a legal system that is totally corrupt, don't be suprised to see a majority of the people on top being criminals. The ones who aren't inclined to criminal behavior are fundamentally handicapped in their dealings, as compared to those who are good at lying, cheating and stealing.

I'm someone who has read "Atlas Shrugged" more than a couple of times. It's one of my favorite science fiction books, set in a parallel universe populated with ethical businessmen. And I'm speaking as someone who has run their own business for years. Ethics and business don't go together in America nowadays. They mix like oil and water.

The average American worker is figuring that out. This does not bode well for the future. Dumbed down sheeple having corporate greedheads rubbed in their faces day after day after day, working harder for less while CEO's buy $6,000 shower curtains. I just can't imagine what kind of political repercussions are going to result, can you?

Somewhere Lenin is laughing himself sick.
9 posted on 09/17/2002 1:27:29 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: wallcrawlr
And also never forget the accounting fraud that is going on in the governments books.

But the government is growing, and spending more money than ever, so it must be healthy ;-)

10 posted on 09/17/2002 1:28:49 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Dumbed down sheeple having corporate greedheads rubbed in their faces day after day after day, working harder for less while CEO's buy $6,000 shower curtains.

I have no problem with expensive shower curtains as long the funds were legally obtained. That shower curtain creates jobs and wealth for people who make and sell them. As long as our government fails to implement pro economic growth and pro investment policies, people will have to work harder for the same or less money. Be careful of policies that punish the rich. For each unit of suffering they endure, the middle and lower classes will endure several times more.

I just can't imagine what kind of political repercussions are going to result, can you?

I can. More regulations, more government debt and more taxes. Each day the private sector gets villified, the closer we get to totalitarian government.

11 posted on 09/17/2002 1:38:53 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
" I have no problem with expensive shower curtains as long the funds were legally obtained. That shower curtain creates jobs and wealth for people who make and sell them."

I don't think you're getting the point I'm trying to make. We Americans have been hearing a drumbeat from Corporate America for the last twenty years, telling us that we have to work harder for less or else they'll ship our jobs overseas. There are engineers who spent eight years in college who are having their salaries driven down by imported H1-B labor. Meanwhile, the people in the executive suites are buying things like hundred million dollar mansions, $6,000 shower curtains, $2,200 wastebaskets, and $450 pincushions. Can you see the potential for popular resentment?

Let me acquaint you with a little bit of history. Do the words "Let them eat cake" ring a bell? Remember the unpleasantness that came shortly after those words were spoken? I'm thinking that what's about to come will make that look like a tea party. Stories like these only add fuel to the fire.

12 posted on 09/17/2002 1:47:57 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Can you see the potential for popular resentment?

Yes, I can. I've worked for corporations run by A__holes. And do you see that the reason corporations do that is the high cost of government and regulatory compliance that everyone has to pay? The other major factor is the myth that full employment and higher salaries cause inflation. They don't, but they do give more clout to the working class.

13 posted on 09/17/2002 1:59:05 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: spectre
You stationed at Eglin? I was there 92-96. Tough tour ;). I volunteered at the animal shelter on base and was walking dogs one Friday night, and I could hear a rock concert going on at the prison. I also used to see inmates taking college courses on base.
14 posted on 09/17/2002 2:05:55 PM PDT by ozidar
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To: wallcrawlr
What about Maxwell AFB, Montgomery, AL?
15 posted on 09/17/2002 2:20:43 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: ozidar
Yeah, REAL tough tour :~)

No, we were stationed at Hurlburt Field.

The guest housing at Eglin is by the water, very close to the prison (which is also by the water)..Yes, these guys have it rough.

We vacation in the Emerald Green Water Paradise every year, tho...:~)

sw

16 posted on 09/17/2002 2:24:00 PM PDT by spectre
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I'm thinking that what's about to come will make that look like a tea party.

Ha ha ha.

This country is based on the free market and not some mythical "fairness" doctrine.

That means if you choose the wrong employer and are not able to make that employer stick to their word, then it's your fault and your fault only (unless under contract). If you are being screwed, that's why we have the civil and criminal courts, which you may petition.

Personally I don't give a hoot that anyone bought a $6,000 toilet seat. I only care that the deal I make with an employer or client is legitimate and enforceable, and that I'll get my money. If the company goes bad, well, it was my fault for not doing due diligence on that company (whether as an employee, contractor, or vendor).

We live in a country where that is the case. You agree to pay me at the 31st of the month, well by gosh you'd better have the money.

Yet if I screwed up in my assessment of whether you could or would do so, that's my bad. Not "the system".

Your arguument is entirely based on jealousy. No if, ands, or buts about it.

17 posted on 09/17/2002 2:24:52 PM PDT by angkor
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To: gov_bean_ counter
"What about Maxwell AFB, Montgomery, AL?"

Absolutely right! Another federal country club. They even give the inmates time to go off Maxwell to play golf at the local courses!

18 posted on 09/17/2002 2:32:48 PM PDT by Born to be Wild
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Let me acquaint you with some contemporary facts:

In over a decade of international travel and reading, the views you espouse are held mainly by avowed communists, socialists, and statists.

Most recently that mantle is being held by psychotic Islamists (read the PLO founding documents or thae statements of bin Laden). Plain and simple. They are murderers and socialists.

Americans and their supporters are being murdered out of jealousy Plain and simple.

That is the way of totalitarians, whether named Hitler ("the Jews") Arafat ("the Jews") or Amin ("the Indians") or Mugabe ("the Whites") or bin Laden ("the Americans, the Jews").

19 posted on 09/17/2002 2:37:17 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
You really don't know just how far off the mark you are. First of all, I have repeatedly stated that the only difference between first and third world nations is that the first world nations have the social and legal infrastructure necessary for the creation and protection of wealth. Period. There is no other difference. This is why resource rich nations like Mexico are poverty stricken while resource poor nations like Japan are rich. It is entirely due to free enterprise and rule of law.

Now, if you allow the legal system to become corrupted by money, and if you allow the political system to become corrupted by money, then you have VIOLATED the social contract that we all live by. That violation will result in anger on the part of the average person. I do not advocate it, I fear it, because I know the want and despair that is spread by Communism.

That having been said, perhaps now you can understand my concern about the activities of some of the ruling elite of this country. I've personally been seriously shafted in some of my dealings in Silicon Valley, I've seen things that would make your hair stand on end. You see, I believe in property rights, including intellectual property rights. I also believe that people who create wealth should partake of some of that wealth. Do you disagree with that premise?

What I DON'T believe in is the sort of "lassez-faire" economy where rule of law is circumvented via corruption and the political system of redress is totally short-circuited by big money contributions.

What is really funny about the "jealously" argument you are making is that I'm rather well off, thank you. Twenty-five years of frantic workaholism has paid off for me, and I now have some free time. I like private enterprise, I like the free market. I don't like corrupt greedheads who lie, cheat and steal at every turn perverting the whole idea of the free market until the average lemming is SCREAMING for socialism! I don't want Communism! I want free enterprise, with a functional legal and political system that can act to curb the excesses of the free market. I hope I have made myself clear.

20 posted on 09/17/2002 2:52:54 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I hope I have made myself clear.

Eminently. And we have more in common than you may know.

Sorry if I misinterpreted your previous comments.

21 posted on 09/17/2002 2:58:41 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
No problem, you allowed me to clarify my arguments and to state once again my very favorite argument of all; about rule of law, property rights and free enterprise being the key to prosperity.
22 posted on 09/17/2002 3:01:23 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: wallcrawlr
"Eglin is the original "Club Fed," nicknamed as such back in the 1980s..."
.....actually since before the 80s...a lot of the Watergate guys did their time there....I was living in Louisiana in the mid-70s when the state highway commissioner got sent up for theft and kickbacks....he was carried over to Eglin by TWO state police cruisers....he was chauffered in first and the second one was to carry all his stuff (clothes, TV, golf clubs, bass rods ect)..
......when Marvin Mandel, the disgraced ex-governor of Maryland did his stint there he organized " educational seminars"...on off shore banking, securities fraud, tax evasion, money laundrying ect....and why not?...the featured "presenters" at the "seminars" were his fellow inmates who had considerable experiance in such areas.....Mandel even organized a "toastmasters club" that featured after dinner guest speakers...the great Johnny Unitas was even on the program one evening....it was said that he got a standing ovation from cons and guards alike.
Good luck to everybody!!
Stonewalls
23 posted on 09/17/2002 3:10:43 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Now having reviewed your comments, I came across this:

Whoever spends the most wins. It's just that simple.

Not true. He has the most persistence wins. I know that as a personal fact, it is quite indisputable beyond any doubt in my own experience.

He who has the persistence, the facts, and the truth wins.

I'm sorry things didn't work as you expected.

As we grow older we accept with equanimity that "The wheels of justice grind slowly, BUT they grind exceedingly fine."

You will get a fair hearing, but it may take very long time.

24 posted on 09/17/2002 3:13:54 PM PDT by angkor
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To: wallcrawlr
Otisville was designed primarily with the Orthodox Jewish community in mind, although it is not officially designated as a Jewish facility. It was built in response to the fact that Orthodox Jews often tried to get out of doing time by making the legal argument that the Bureau of Prisons violated their First Amendment rights because it could not accommodate their religious lifestyle.

...Prisoner perks: Kosher kitchen, weekly Shabbat observances. Every year during Passover, Jewish convicts are flown into Otisville temporarily to participate in a seder.

What a Country!

25 posted on 09/17/2002 3:18:25 PM PDT by Guillermo
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To: angkor
We settled years ago, knowing that we didn't want to be fighting until we were old and grey. Believe me, when the stakes are high enough, and you are suing over something worth millions and millions of dollars, you just would not believe the kinds of shenanigans that can go on in a courtroom. We didn't have the millions it would have taken to pursue the case until the bitter end, I and my co-plaintiffs just ended up getting shafted, that's all there is to it. I don't want to go into more detail for fear of inadvertently saying something that will get me sued by billionaires.

The end result is that I harbor a great deal of resentment towards our legal system. I'll never serve on a jury, because I'll happily tell the judge just what I think of our legal system, and how convinced I am that everyone involved is beneath contempt. That should get me thrown out of there in a hurry!
26 posted on 09/17/2002 3:22:20 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Billy_bob_bob
OTOH, now that I have some free time, it might be fun to sit on a jury just to monkeywrench it, force a hung jury just for the sake of costing the system some money. Goodness knows it cost me enough. That might be fun. I'll have to think about it.
27 posted on 09/17/2002 3:27:14 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Billy_bob_bob
We settled years ago, knowing that we didn't want to be fighting until we were old and grey.

I would have pursued one particular case until my death day. It was against a law firm for $138.00 USD.

I don't know what your case was about.

Mine was about the truth.

I won.

28 posted on 09/17/2002 3:39:50 PM PDT by angkor
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To: wallcrawlr
Fly Jewish prisoners to Otisville each year? No wonder the National Debt is so huge.
All prisoners should only be allowed perks after a day of hard labor, six days a week (maybe only a half day on saturday).
29 posted on 09/17/2002 4:39:30 PM PDT by ampat
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To: spectre
Many times, I've noticed the Club Fed men milling around drink machines in the BX parking lot...the ones dressed in Navy Blue Dockers with pressed white shirts..:~)

I've been living and working at Eglin for over 20 years, and the prison camp is not as cushie as this article implies. The inmates here do all the installation upkeep--mowing lawns, raking leaves, picking up cigarette butts, etc.--that otherwise the already overworked airmen would get stuck doing. There are few discipline problems with these guys cause they know they're headed to the big house if they screw-up and the good thing is they will do at least 85 percent of their sentence before they get a shot at parole. While I think whitecollar criminals should do hard time just like the doper that robs a convienence store, the federal prison system arrangement at places like Eglin and Tyndall do have some good points.

30 posted on 09/17/2002 5:36:23 PM PDT by DaBroasta
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To: Guillermo
I know some Jews who would consider having to follow Orthodox rules to be punishment.

The thought of a bunch of rich liberal JINO's (Jews in name only) being forced to follow halacha is amusing. 10 fast days, restricted diet, thrice daily prayers....
The good news is that they might find G_d and repent.
31 posted on 09/17/2002 5:42:23 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: wallcrawlr
Morgantown is not in the Blue Ridge Mountains. It's WEST of the Applachians.
32 posted on 09/17/2002 8:37:15 PM PDT by montanus
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