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MORE PAKISTAN KASHMIR REBELS ENTER INDIA AREA - US ENVOY
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ^ | September 19, 2002 6:42 a.m. EDT

Posted on 09/20/2002 10:06:44 AM PDT by Annakin

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:47:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW DELHI (AP)--Infiltration of militants from Pakistan's portion of Kashmir into Indian territory has increased in the past two months, the U.S. ambassador said Thursday.

"Infiltration is going on and in our judgment it increased in August and September," Ambassador Robert Blackwill told reporters.


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1 posted on 09/20/2002 10:06:44 AM PDT by Annakin
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To: Annakin
The issue of Pakistani-supported terrorists infiltrating into and causing havoc in the Indian State of Kashmir (or Jammu & Kashmir, to give the State its full name) has been receiving a great deal of administration, congressional, academic and media attention in the United States in recent months.

In a no-nonsense interview to a local television channel in India, the American Ambassador Robert Blackwill has completely rejected Pakistan's claim of the Assembly elections in the state being a sham, saying, "I will tell what we think, and we do not think it is a sham." Echoing Washington's immediate reaction, he said that the first round of the polls had got off to a good start. (In Washington US state department spokesperson Richard Boucher applauded the "courage of the voters who have chosen to participate in the voting" despite the threats and the violence unleashed by the Pakistani infiltrators).

The Ambassador also confirmed the view expressed by New Delhi that cross-border infiltration from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir into the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir has gone up, instead of going down. He said: "infiltration is going on, and in our judgment it increased in August and September."

Musharraf "gave a commitment to the international community to permanently end infiltrations across the Line of Control" that divides Kashmir, Blackwill said. "We continue to expect him to live up to that."

He said that U.S. President George W. Bush had raised this issue again during his meeting with Musharraf on Sept. 12.

2 posted on 09/20/2002 10:07:22 AM PDT by Annakin
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To: keri; Nogbad
Ping.
3 posted on 09/20/2002 10:12:53 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Sawdring; Dog Gone; mikeIII; keri; swarthyguy; Aaron_A; atc; akash; anu_shr; aristeides; ...
Musharraf is reneging on his promise to disassociate himself from the terrorists.
4 posted on 09/20/2002 5:42:23 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: AM2000
He certainly doesn't seem to be using the same best efforts to stop it here as he is in Kirachi. At some point, you have to assume that's intentional.
5 posted on 09/20/2002 5:44:57 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: AM2000
Sigh, promises, promises -

Only if you believed him in the first place.

6 posted on 09/20/2002 6:32:25 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: AM2000
Pakis are probably scared of the Kashmir elections...especially when compared to their own. This interview with Blackwill seems to have caught a few people off-guard as they were probably expecting the usual American ambiguity.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/753988/posts

And then there are articles like these:
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501020923-351277,00.html
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020920/ap_wo_en_po/kashmir_guerrilla_s_tale_3
7 posted on 09/20/2002 7:02:52 PM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: Annakin; ValerieUSA; christine
J-K polls a chance to establish peace: US

The United States on Monday said the coming Jammu and Kashmir assembly election was an opportunity for separatists to help establish peace in the state.

"We see an opportunity in the elections. It can be part of the larger process to establish peace," Lisa Curtis, a senior Asian affairs advisor to the Bush administration, said after meeting All-Party Hurriyat Conference leader Mirwaiz Omer Farooq in Srinagar.

Curtis said she held discussions with several separatist leaders, including Hurriyat chairman Abdul Gani Bhat and acting Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front chairman Javid Ahmad Mir, and impressed upon them to avail the opportunity for establishing peace in the state.

Asked if she had any special message from Washington, Curtis said, "We came with the message that the US does care about Kashmir and Kashmiris. The problems have to be resolved peacefully."

"We don't have a magical solution. We urged them to see an opportunity in these elections," she said.

Asked about the purpose behind meeting Hurriyat constituents separately, an aide to Curtis from the US embassy in New Delhi, Sheetal Patel, said it was a normal practice.

"We meet them individually to know their viewpoints."

The Mirwaiz told reporters after a 90-minute meeting with Curtis: "The US does have an interest as far as Kashmir is concerned. We have certain suggestions for [US] envoys which they said they will consider."

He said that the Centre would have to clarify the status of elected representatives and give an assurance that it would hold talks with them to resolve the Kashmir issue.

"Whether Pakistan will be involved in the dialogue process has to be made clear," he said.

He said the Hurriyat wanted a political solution to the Kashmir issue and "we are ready for talks".

"We will meet tomorrow [Tuesday] to decide on Government of India's offer of talks," the Mirwaiz said.

On his talks with Kashmir Committee chairman Ram Jethmalani, he said, "As responsible citizens of India, they feel they have duty towards Kashmiri people."

"We will take ten steps if they take one," he added.

Massive Lisa Curtis bump!

8 posted on 09/20/2002 7:09:15 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I'll tell Lisa you said she's MASSIVE!
9 posted on 09/20/2002 7:15:08 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
It was the bump I intended to be massive. Lisa is just massively talented and smart.
10 posted on 09/20/2002 7:28:49 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Nice save! Think it will work?
11 posted on 09/20/2002 7:46:34 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
If we trade off bumping every few hours, we may just keep this thing alive until she sees it!
12 posted on 09/20/2002 9:38:29 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Aaron_A
From TIME--

In jail, Siddique and Mahmood remained fully committed to militancy. They spouted the usual radical rhetoric: the West was trying to crush Islam, Osama bin Laden was a hero, martyrdom led to everlasting life. Their only regret, said the men, was that they were caught alive. "Mujahedin wait for justice and reward in the other world," intoned Siddique.

He and the others got their wish. A few days after Time saw them, the three jihadis were shot dead by Indian authorities, who said they were trying to escape. It's not clear if their families know yet, and what their reaction will be. But even before his cousin's death, Zahid had made up his mind to join him: "I need to know what to do to go to Kashmir. I want to go on jihad."

All's well that ends well. Good Riddance, scumbags.

13 posted on 09/20/2002 11:04:19 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I refuse to bump this.
14 posted on 09/21/2002 1:54:07 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
Your refusal is dully noted.
15 posted on 09/21/2002 2:34:15 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Aaron_A; AM2000; RightWhale; LaBelleDameSansMerci; Robert_Paulson2; USMMA_83; Bobby777; MadIvan; ...
Is everything squared away?
16 posted on 09/24/2002 3:16:45 PM PDT by Annakin
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Hi... i'm new to this massive thread. I hope your day is largely peaceful. :)
17 posted on 09/24/2002 3:24:19 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: swarthyguy
I think Musharraf's got guts to do what he has done ... however, he knows he has a limited life-span being Islamic and in da hood ... he has done some cooperation but looking at the large number of Islamic terrorists in Pakistan I think he's either trying to stay alive or keep from civil war ...

either way, regardless of his intentions, these attacks don't bode well for him ... a few more and India is going to start rumbling her military ...

I shudder to think who would rise to power in nuclear capable Pakistan should Musharraf get killed or thrown out ... Pakistan can't reach the USA but there are many things they could do with those weapons ... like transport them to Iraq ...
18 posted on 09/24/2002 3:46:34 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
I think the USA has every nuke in Pakistan pinpointed and targeted for destruction or removal in case events warrant.
19 posted on 09/24/2002 4:00:41 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Bobby777
I question his overall sincerity in the War against alqaeda. I don't think he has any.

Nevertheless, the US and Pakistani troops have scored some huge and notable successes recently. So even if he's using alqaeda types as strategic trading cards, he's being forced to turn over more jihadis than he would like to ideally, thereby stoking the mullahs anger against him.

But i don't really care; if he goes the situation is clarified.

As it is, this slow, steady rational approach is accompanied by the steady drip, drip, dripping, of blood.
The blood of innocents, women, boys and girls. Blood that Mush doesn't care about. And also of Muslims in Kashmir, but Musharraf could care less. It achieves his hearts desire of messing with India as much as he can.
Because despite his uniform, his heart is islamic.

He is a bloodthirsty jihadi; but he's our bloodthirsty jihadi.
20 posted on 09/24/2002 4:14:52 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
I think many of them are on mobile launchers though ... sometimes they can have time to move them ... I fear some could be "spirited away" if Musharraf fell ... and we'd have the decision of pre-emptive strikes on an "ally" ... I have been concerned about this country ever since the military overthrew the civilian government a few years ago ...
21 posted on 09/24/2002 4:15:14 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: swarthyguy
which is why limited conventional war between India and Pakistan would mitigate some of the threat ... however, should it go nuclear it will be a very different world very quickly ... no doubt there are many Al-Qaeda and others of their ilk that would love to "push the button" ...
22 posted on 09/24/2002 4:21:08 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
At some point, India will have to call Pakistan's bluff.
23 posted on 09/24/2002 4:23:13 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Annakin
Musharraf has a huuuuuge problem. Religion of peace my A** !!
24 posted on 09/24/2002 4:23:25 PM PDT by ChadGore
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To: Annakin
"Infiltration is going on and in our judgment it increased in August and September," Ambassador Robert Blackwill told reporters................./snip/................... He said that U.S. President George W. Bush had raised this issue again during his meeting with Musharraf on Sept. 12. "This is a matter on which we are working very hard," Blackwill added.

Oh, how noble of Ambassador Blackwil and President Bush to be so greatly concerned about Pakistani infiltration of India.

My question to ambassador Blackwil and President Bush is when in the hell are you going to show as much concern about Mexico’s infiltration of The United States of America and the sanctity of our borders overall?

25 posted on 09/24/2002 4:33:21 PM PDT by varon
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To: Annakin
Does this explain what happened at Gandhinagar today? Have the perps been identified as Moslems yet?
26 posted on 09/24/2002 4:50:22 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Annakin
"He said that U.S. President George W. Bush had raised this issue again during his meeting with Musharraf on Sept. 12"

HEY...all the enlightened ones on earlier threads about today's terrorist attack on a Hindu temple told me that President Bush could care less about India...I'm SOOOOOOO confused!

27 posted on 09/24/2002 4:58:27 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: AM2000
"Musharraf is reneging on his promise to disassociate himself from the terrorists"

Which brings me to a question I've been trying to find a place to pose:

The official word in India on the ongoing (as far as I know, not being there physically) Gujarat temple siege, is that it is still unknown at this time WHO the terrorists in the temple are or what they represent...

So why has Pakistan's government already - starting way early in the seige - made several official statements regarding the seige, to the affect that the seige is the result of Hindi intolorance (LOL) and is warning that the attack will straing Inda/Pakistan relations???

Rhetorical question. I just went and checked for updates...no one seems to have pointed out the discrepancy yet, so I thought maybe I would.

28 posted on 09/24/2002 5:22:27 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Annakin
The high rate of infiltration was stopped for a couple of months to give India a chance to cool off during the monsoon and runup to elections. India cooled off, but they are still ready as ever to make a major military move. Now infiltration is increased again. India doesn't have a short attention span. This cannot go on forever.
29 posted on 09/24/2002 5:29:05 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: cake_crumb
So why has Pakistan's government already - starting way early in the seige - made several official statements regarding the seige, to the affect that the seige is the result of Hindi intolorance (LOL) and is warning that the attack will straing Inda/Pakistan relations???

Because the Pakistanis know they will be blamed, whether they did it or not. My personal feeling is that blaming Pakistan for this is inappropriate, since there are plenty of Indian Muslims who would be more than happy to kill a few Hindus. They've been at it for centuries, what makes us think that there's suddenly a difference between the radicals among Pakistani Muslims and Indian Muslims?

30 posted on 09/24/2002 9:01:05 PM PDT by AM2000
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