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Bushwhacking Johnny
Chronicles Magazine ^ | September 2002 | B.K. Eakman

Posted on 09/21/2002 5:19:52 PM PDT by A. Pole

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To: Auntie Mame
How would you respond to this technique?

One way is to teach children how this technique works, including reading this article to them. Make sure that they understand it, are able to explain it and to recognise when it is being used. Then tell them that it is an educational experience useful for the whole life.

21 posted on 09/22/2002 5:45:18 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole; All
I hope you all bookmark this and read it once a month.

It also appears to me this technique is being used by the Republicanbots on FR against all who say they will never vote for a Republican socialist.
22 posted on 09/22/2002 6:50:27 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: A. Pole
How WOULD you teach a 10-year old about this? Reading the article to them is fine, if you can get them to keep still for that long, but really is beyond their comprehension, although it would be helpful.

Looking back, I see this and similar techniques used by posters on FR EVERY SINGLE DAY! It's one reason flame wars erupt. When Johnny is confronted by his counselor with this technique and the final question is asked, "You wouldn't want your friends to call you ________ (insert nasty-sounding name here)," how should Johnny respond?

When it happens here on FR, I tend to find myself thinking that FR has been infiltrated by hoards of stupid people and I walk away. Others try to fight it out. But you can't win with this technique, at least I can't see how.

I've had people tell me things like this: "And honestly, for you to say _____________ because I believe ____________ is kind of frightening." (I copied this directly from a freepmail.) This came from a righteous freeper who is someone I admire. It appears that this technique rubs off and begins to be used by everyone for ideological purposes.

But do you see how the seed is planted? How do we fight this?

23 posted on 09/22/2002 7:53:43 AM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: Auntie Mame
How WOULD you teach a 10-year old about this?

You would need to simplify, but so the councellors are limited too. And you have an advantage that you can focus on your child better and your child is closer to you. Power of truth is also on your side. As child gets older the more you can teach.

The most tricky and hard thing is how to teach child to preserve some respect for the school and teachers. Also child needs to be able to hide his views and insights. This problem was faced by the non-brainwashed people under Communism of Fascism - some solved it succesfully some did not. Such is life.

24 posted on 09/22/2002 11:02:19 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
Thank you for your response. I still do not understand how one teaches a child that is faced with this how to respond, how to react, and to even see it when it's happening.
25 posted on 09/22/2002 1:12:54 PM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: Black Agnes
I'd really like your thoughts on this article. When you have the time ......
26 posted on 09/22/2002 1:14:21 PM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: A. Pole
There is no right or wrong, only conditioned responses. The collective good is more important than the individual. Consensus is more important than principle. Flexibility is more important than accomplishment. Nothing is permanent except change. All ethics are situational; there are no moral absolutes. There are no perpetrators, only victims.

peeeeeee-yoooook.

Johnny is being castrated without a knife.

27 posted on 09/22/2002 1:15:38 PM PDT by justsomedude
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To: Auntie Mame
I still do not understand how one teaches a child that is faced with this how to respond, how to react, and to even see it when it's happening.

You identify your objectives (in your plan, not in your exposition).
You break the instruction into smaller parts, it might be spread over a number of discussions.
Verify and refresh occasionally that message is not forgotten, ask for exemples of succesful implementation if any - it could be the perceptions or intelectual discoveries - done by a child, even small do matter.

Let us imagine that schools started to teach that stealing is a good thing:

So you want your child:
1. to preserve a special rule that stealing is wrong,
2. you want you child to stay out of trouble and to learn what is useful and right in school, to respect teachers and not to quarrel
3. you want your child to benefit from difficulty - ie to learn something about the world and people
4. you want your child to respect you and be thankful for support

0. First of all collect the intelligence, go to school, PTA, talk with sympatetic parents, listen to your child, read the school materials if available. Do not be unduly suspicious verify that the wrong teaching takes place. Do not be confrontational, the best is other side does know even know that you have misgivings. 1. So you go first to explain child that stealing is wrong, you bring some story or example, if you child like to add to it or ask questions you encourage him/her.
2. then you talk about that people even with good intentions can be confused or ignorant, but that they still can teach us. You ask child what would you say if your math teacher said that stealing is a good thing? You would stress that he can still be a good math teacher. Ask also if math teacher can make a mistake in math? What will you do?
3. Tell to be diplomatic and respectful, tell that you do not need to confess everything to the strangers be they teachers or policemen. Show that discretion or even a lie might be justified in some situations. (you do not tell the thief where jewelry is)
Do not blame the teachers if they are mistaken, they are human too, they get orders and receive teaching guides which can be misleading.
4. Encourage discussion about human fallibility and imperfection of the world. (Only God is perfect).
5. Let child to express criticism toward you, be respectful if child does it, be ready to answer questions. Get trust and EARN it. Show that the truth and goodness takes precedence before your interest. Be fair, kind and loyal so children will be willing to ask you for help when needed.

Many conservative or Christian parents followed such or similar methods under Communism and managed to protect their children from propaganda. In the last resort like under Stalin or Hitler rule, when the terror is too intense and indiscretion could get you killed or children to be taken away, wait when children grow enough to be prudent and then slowly deprogram them. It was done in Soviet Union and Communism is gone.

Hey, after all public schools want to promote critical thinking! Don't they? So this is the opportunity.

28 posted on 09/22/2002 2:03:34 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
Thank you, A. Pole. I appreciate your your post very much.
30 posted on 09/23/2002 7:01:12 AM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: Auntie Mame
This article deserves a bump to the top of the page.
31 posted on 09/24/2002 7:41:41 PM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: seenenuf
This is the article I was telling you about. Please read it.

Thank you!
32 posted on 09/25/2002 7:41:24 PM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: Auntie Mame
,,, this ties in well with this thread.
33 posted on 09/25/2002 7:57:32 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: 2sheep
ping.
34 posted on 09/25/2002 7:58:36 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
Wow, that link you provided is a great thread. The comments are better than the article, if that's possible.

Bookmarked and thanks very much!
35 posted on 09/25/2002 9:56:51 PM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: Auntie Mame
,,, you're welcome. If they're going to play games with us it's best that we know how to win from the outset.
36 posted on 09/26/2002 1:33:30 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: BADJOE

bttt


37 posted on 01/06/2011 5:20:58 AM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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