Now they appear to reap what they have sown.
New Palestine (previously France) has surrendered first.
Posted on 09/22/2002 1:29:19 AM PDT by hoosierskypilot
GENEVA — A year after the devastating attacks by Islamic fanatics in the United States, Western Europe is trying to come to grips with what it identifies as "political Islam" in its midst.
Governments are seeking to determine to what extent the estimated 12 million Muslims, mostly from Arab countries, serve as a pool for potential terrorists and a destabilizing factor in Western Europe's open and vulnerable societies.
Accompanying the intelligence and security process across the Continent is an effort to assimilate the growing Muslim population that in a number of countries — including France, Germany and Britain — now constitutes the second largest religious group.
As Muslim populations grow, authorities are discovering that they tend to group in urban ghettoes, resist assimilation and frequently become a source of tension and a politically divisive factor.
At the same time, leaders of Muslim communities in Europe, as well as in their home countries, say that their immigrants are discriminated against, left at the mercy of unscrupulous employers and often deprived of legal protection.
A recent conference in Tunis was told that European governments were refusing or limiting visas for Arab immigrants from North Africa, and that immigrants already in Western Europe were experiencing increased discrimination at work and social ostracism.
Noureddine Hached, assistant secretary-general of the 22-member Arab League, says that xenophobia has been on the rise in Europe since the September 11 attacks last year, that immigration has been restricted and that Muslim communities are "losing their Arab identity" under European pressure.
European and Muslim sociologists are debating a question to which no one has found a satisfactory answer: how to harmonize traditional Islam with a surrounding modern European society.
According to Oussama Cheribbi, a professor at the University of Amsterdam, "Islam should be taken out of the ghettos" and not be left "in the hands of imams preaching Shariah [Islamic traditional law]."
There is little doubt that deprived of freedom of action in their own countries, a number of Islamic fanatics have found a convenient haven in Western Europe.
It was only after September 11 last year that the authorities realized that terrorist cells thrived in Muslim communities in European cities, and that subversive literature was distributed in mosques where imams often called for an Islamic victory over Christianity and Judaism.
They found that "political Islam" was unquestionably on the rise in Europe, including activities of fundamentalist movements banned in Tunisia and Algeria, whose extent had been ignored by European governments until the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.
Since May and June this year, U.S. and European intelligence agencies have increased cooperation with their North African counterparts to track down recruitment centers for suicide bombers. It has been established that a number of prospective Arab terrorists had become "radicalized" while in Europe, rather than in their home countries.
Among suspects with North African links arrested recently were Mounir Motassadeq, a Moroccan citizen accused of helping with plans for the September 11 attacks; Djamel Beghal, an Algerian who acknowledged planning attacks against American targets, and four Moroccans accused of preparing a bioterror attack on the U.S. Embassy in Rome.
Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands, noted as havens of tolerance, have begun to look for new formulas to cope with myriad Islamic organizations on their territories.
According to Roger Van Boxtel, former minister in charge of integration in the Netherlands, the most effective formula is to "identify enemies through security services and follow it up through intensive assimilation. Under no circumstances should the Muslim communities [as a whole] be blamed for acts committed by a few fanatics."
Although governments, educational and social institutions are painfully aware of the magnitude of the problem and are trying to remedy it in a humane manner, they are also faced with an inevitable popular reaction that blames Muslims for the rising crime rate and declining educational standards in state schools.
European sociologists note that over the centuries countries such as France have absorbed millions of immigrants — but mainly from such Christian countries as Spain, Italy and Poland.
By the end of the 20th century, these immigrants were part of French society, identified principally by their family names. They did not make demands for specific forms of dress or special respect for their national customs. They simply blended in with the surrounding culture, unlike most immigrants from Islamic countries.
According to most assessments, until recently Europe had been ceding ground to militant Islam in a number of ways.
In the Netherlands, where Muslims represent a million of the country's 16 million inhabitants, imams have been given the same status as priests and rabbis.
In Austria, where there are 400,000 registered Muslims and Islam is recognized as the second religion after Catholicism, 40 public schools offer courses on Islam and its history.
In Belgium, the state finances the construction of mosques and Islamic religion is taught in schools when requested by students.
In France, which has an Islamic population of 4 million, there are 1,430 mosques, financed mainly by Saudi Arabia and Morocco.
There are 230,000 people living in polygamous marriages in France, and the media recently brought to scrutiny the case of an unemployed Moroccan immigrant whose social security allowance for his three wives and 20 children amounted to $6,000 a month.
In Switzerland, the authorities bowed to Islamic pressure and allowed Muslim women to be photographed for their identity cards wearing the traditional scarf.
Before last year's carnage in New York, Washington and rural Pennsylvania, the Islamic message in Europe was becoming increasingly strident. For example, the imam of Bradford in England appealed to his congregation to struggle "with the aim of replacing secular values by Islam."
A booklet printed in Saudi Arabia and distributed throughout Europe describes the aim of Muslim societies as "trying to become one day a majority through reciprocal assimilation with the non-Islamic majority which will gradually accept the morals and religion of Islam."
Now they appear to reap what they have sown.
New Palestine (previously France) has surrendered first.
AFTENPOSTEN.no: "IRAQIS TOP IMMIGRATION LISTS Increasing numbers of refugees from Iraq are finding their way to Norway. More people arrived directly or indirectly from Iraq than from any other country last year, giving them the largest growth rate of all ethnic groups." (091902)
Maybe English government and the Imam need to be reminded..
Turkey, with a largely Islamic population, takes a very dim view of "replacing secular values by Islam."
In fact, the Turkish government has taken such a dim view they have Executed Muslims trying to convert Turkey to an Islamic state.
Muslim extremists must walk very tenderly in Turkey, and it is a lesson yet to be learned in the West.
Hizzbollah said in 1994 that France would be an Islamic republic in 20 years.
"Reciprocal assimilation?" Fat chance.
It's always a one-way street with Muslims. You go our way or die.
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I didn't realize that polygamy was legal anywhere in the western world.
You know, we edged close to this in America. We're pulling away from it now, largely in response to black identity politics, homosexual activism, and Black Tuesday. The first two went overboard and triggered a wide reaction against them; the third outraged the country so severely that no rationale could counter it. It's a form of luck, I suppose.
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They are there as conquerors.
OBL, before meeting his personal daisycutter, wrote of "the disaster of Andalusia", meaning the expulsion of Islam from Spain in 1492.
I'm not sure whether, in their view, America is to be forceably converted, or merely destroyed.
The heart of Europe, however-from Tours to Vienna-"belongs" to Islam, and is to be repossessed by any means necessary. The Islamic immigrants are doing a very good job of it, so far.
Face this fact: ALL ISLAM IS "POLITICAL ISLAM".
The goal of Islam is the establishment of a global Islamic theocracy, using violent means as necessary, with the Koran as the only constitution and the shariah as international law.
The sooner everyone faces this reality the better!
"European and Muslim sociologists are debating a question to which no one has found a satisfactory answer: how to harmonize traditional Islam with a surrounding modern European society."
Face this fact: YOU CAN'T.
"We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality."
The best hope of the world is a brilliant, decisive leader who can cut through this Gordian Knot and release the freshness, strength, energy, and spirit of ascendency that florish in the American Heartland.
George Bush is such a leader.
Decadent Europeans and Americans have difficulty recognizing this. This failure results from the same decadence, paralysis, and confusion that have caused the problem in the first place.
This article suggests some awakening to reality in the European population. George Bush's continuing high approval ratings suggest the same thing in America. The question is whether or not it is too little and too late.
Muslims are betting that it is.
The Chinese have not decided yet. They are less impetuous.
The Russians seem to be betting on a Western renaissance.
matter/antimatter
I feel soooooooo bad for them, I could cry.
The only "Europeans" who now how to deal with muslims are eastern europeans, i.e Serbia,Greece,Russia,Poland, etc.
You "western/NATO europeans"after screaming for the bombing of Serbia are getting what you deserve.
My drill instructor told me where you maggots can find sympathy, Between "sh*t and syphillis in the dictionary".
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France played host to Pol Potism, Khomenieism, and, now, just plain anti-Semitism.
In this case what goes around may come around (snicker).
Remember "poor Bosnian Muslims" and the lies of "genocide"?
Rembember "Poor Kosovo Albanian Muslims" and the lies of "genocide".
Conquest of Europe by Radical Islamism has started in Yugoslavia in 1983. Aliya Izetbegovic was a personal friend of Sudanese and Saudi Radical Islamists. The rest is history, including U.S. support for radical islamist foothold in Europe.
If there were no U.S. support for Bosnian Radical Islamism, perhaps 9-11 would not happen.
"There always has to be a difference between tolerance and stupidity."
Liberals see no difference most of the time.
These Muslims really do have a lot of nerve...their countries are rife with government-sanctioned discrimination, pogroms, and slavery against anyone who isn't a Muslim, and they complain about "social ostracism"??? The day they free the christian slaves in the Sudan and allow the free exercise of christianity and judaism in Saudi Arabia is the day that they have a right to open their traps about discrimination in europe.
I hate to say it, but you are exactly correct. The serbs reconized the problem and stepped forward to deal with it. The decadent western europeans think that they can continue to live in their cushy little socialist states regardless of demographics....they will learn differently in due time. Yesterday it was Kosovo...tomorrow it will be Paris and London.
That is funny!
Now, do you have anything better to refute with than "Total BS"?
That said, 3M seems to be an accepted number for Muslims in the U.S. (vs. CAIR's 6M). 3M/300M ~ 1%. And many of those are Black Muslims, a supremely mislead/idiotic bunch if ever there were one.
There are no verifiable statistics for the US. Black and even Hispanic Muslims are an unknown quantity. Estimates for the whole of US range from less than 1% to 8%, neither of which is realistic. So, my assumptions and projections are no worse than yours.
The two extra wives are just "unwed mothers" fully entitled to welfare etc.
Radical Islam is an insane murder cult, "moderate" Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.
Religions: Protestant 56%, Roman Catholic 28%, Jewish 2%, other 4%, none 10% (1989)
Muslims aren't even listed.
The first thing we did after WW2 was to install democratic institutions in the nations we defeated. The purpose was to prevent further war rather than face demagogues or dictators.
Islam is the opposite of democracy and in every case a small cadre end up dictating national norms and policy to their captured masses.
Islam is a larger threat to world peace than splitting atoms.
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