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Is Bill O’Reilly Losing It?
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| 09/22/02
| Steven Fantina
Posted on 09/22/2002 9:11:09 AM PDT by justme346
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Is Bill OReilly Losing It? By Steven Fantina (bio) Other Articles by Steven Fantina Back to News / Home Page When the Fox News Channel began taking the media world by storm, one of the most enticing factors was unquestionably Bill OReilly with his brutal brand of journalism where the truth was uncovered by whatever means were necessary. Liberals crowed that he was a conservative hawk, and the likes of Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, and Ted Kennedy refused to appear on his show. Still, OReillys acerbic grillings have an equal opportunity track record. He rightly criticized presidential candidate George W. Bush for failing to reveal his 25-year-old drunk driving arrest when it was mysteriously discovered in time to nearly derail his election. Attorney General John Ashcroft--hardly a liberal icon--has also taken a permanent pass from appearing on the Factor because the host has made no secret of his desire to unearth why he has neglected to prosecute those Clinton administrators who egregiously flouted the law.
The charges of right-wing extremism hurled against OReilly become even more dubious in light of some of his boasted opinions--opposition to the death penalty and support for global warming theories among others. Despite the vacuous claims of liberals, and the inconsistent support of any ideology, most reasoned viewers saw OReilly as embodying the Fox mantra, fair and balanced. His probing was mordant and insistent but never exploitative nor inappropriate.
However, something has shifted lately. Around the time OReilly started hosting his unsuccessful radio show, the host transmogrified from an obstinate journalist extraordinaire into a flip-flopping egomaniac. Some of his recent declarations have been almost comically untenable and inconsistent, and his response to any criticism has been self-servingly childish. Where once he could take it as well as dish it out, he has resorted to calling his adversaries liars (William McGurn) or morbidly joking that they should be killed (Matt Drudge.)
The contradictory nature of his stances on certain controversial issues suggests he sees salesmanship as more virtuous than principle. Like all decent people OReilly was angered about the recent clergy scandal within the Catholic Church, but the targets of his rage were way off mark. He said that such a debacle was inevitable because the Church is a dictatorship. Such behavior doesnt seem to be pandemic in the likes of Iraq, Syria, or North Korea. Furthermore he heaped much of the blame upon Pope John Paul II. Even perpetual Catholic-haters found that one too much of a stretch to promulgate. In an interview with Don Imus, OReilly serious dismissed the pontiff as being out of it, purporting that the pope sleeps twenty hours a day. Pope John Pauls historic reign has earned him legions of opponents-none of whom would utter such a foolish charge. Media outlets are overflowing with stories of how the popes physical strength has failed while his mental acuity remains stellar.
Bill OReillys justified if misplaced umbrage at the Churchs disgrace looks more like a publicity stunt when contrasted to another of his recent forays into polemic topics. He has recently backed both gay marriage and the adoption of children by gay couples. Like other advocates of alternative lifestyles, his loquaciousness surceases concerning the inconvenient fact that over 90% of abuser priests violated adolescent or older males. If OReillys capricious call came true, what response would he have to rampant reports of gay parents defiling their adopted sons? After unveiling this new gay-friendly posturing, he invited ex-homosexual Stephen Bennett on his Factor. Rather than his standard no holds barred interview, OReilly prostituted himself to name-calling and bigotry dismissing those who accept Biblical teachings on homosexuality as fanatics.
If these straddling stands did not set off enough caveats, his nadir had to be the nefarious act he pulled regarding the kidnapped American girls imprisoned inside Saudi Arabia. By now everyone knows, that OReilly arranged with the ever-gracious Saudi dictatorship for the girls to fly to London and be interviewed on the Factor. He also allowed for a Saudi thug to be their constant companion, and during the exchange, the young women stated that they wanted to stay in Saudi Arabia (surprise, surprise.)
OReilly sententiously claims that he outwitted the Saudi government by having them concede to his demands. Considering that the interview was conducted on a different continent with a fundamentalist censor present throughout, acquiescing to OReillys demands doesnt sound to difficult.
What makes this incident all the more offensive and insulting is that OReilly--whom nobody would call a dunce--obviously knew the score. He was not trying to help rectify a tragic situation; he wanted to hit ratings pay dirt and possibly even breathe some life into his moribund radio gig. He marred two innocent young womens chance at freedom to stroke his own ego and has the audacity to claim that he had noble motives. Further proving this point has been his infuriated reaction to any and all who called him on his spin. Repeatedly screaming thats a flat out lie at Wall Street Journal chief editorial writer William McGurn--who helped expose the extent of OReilly hypocrisy--was a puerile response to getting caught. Oh-so-subtly besmirching the enslaved girls mother further indicted OReilly as he continues to proffer his false rational for this headline grabbing move.
OReilly has earned the distinction of having cable TVs most watched news program, and his opinionated column is popular across the nation. (The radio fiasco is another story.) Still, hordes of Factor viewers are now starting to wonder if the No-Spin Zone is really just a dizzying milieu for a sanctimonious talker with an out of control ego. |
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posted on
09/22/2002 9:11:09 AM PDT
by
justme346
To: justme346
Bill O'Reilly has always been Bill O'Reilly. Conservatives just fell in love with him for awhile because he was willing to espouse his conservative views publicly which is a real rarety in the media business.
The shock of hearing these views on-air sort of drowned out all of his other positions. But now that the new has worn off and people are starting to look at the whole package they see - Bill O'Reilly.
2
posted on
09/22/2002 9:16:15 AM PDT
by
Arkinsaw
To: justme346
Jealousy is a potent vice, as the author of this columns displays.
3
posted on
09/22/2002 9:19:17 AM PDT
by
joyful1
To: justme346
I like Bill, but I agree. His interview the other night were he flipped out with the defense attorney was embarrassing. The interview were he called Bill McGurn a liar, among other things, was also bothersome. It seems to me that Bill, in these cases simply could not take the heat, and was angry that ANYONE could disagree or discredit his "heroic" work with the Saudi government. Meanwhile, he made the mother and the kidnapped girls and the parents of the murdered daughter look like fools. This is not necessarily good journalism. And in these cases, he made himself look like a terrible, uncaring egomaniac. He has to remember that there are many viewers who watch his show, not just adults. What would a 8-10 year old think of his angered outrage with the defense attorney?
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posted on
09/22/2002 9:19:48 AM PDT
by
rs79bm
To: Arkinsaw
We still view him but...I think he needs to STOP interupting and listen more. He nees to STOP being so holier than thou. In my opinion, I think he is taking on the attitude and behaviorisms of Donahue and THAT will make us tune out forever!!
To: justme346
I just got off the phone with my brother and we agreed that something had changed with O'Reilly. I believe it is because Sean Hannity is on the rise and O's radio syndication didn't make it.
Andy Griffith as Lonesome Rhoads comes to mind.
6
posted on
09/22/2002 9:29:50 AM PDT
by
leadpenny
To: cubreporter
O'Reilly is fundamentall conservative but also highly independent. The only Talking Points he will use are his OWN...you don't see him parroting official organizational or party lines. Some folks simply don't like that or are jealous of the fact that some viewers TRUST him because he is not a knee-jerk liberal or conservative. He starts an interview and may have a position or he may temper it due to what he gets in the interview. The key is that he comes from a journalism training background even though he is a commentator. You tune in some radio and talk show hosts and you can predict exactly what they will say and how they will say it; you can't do that with O'Reilly -- which is why, for a personal standpoint, I loved his books, love his cable and radio show (the radio show is being broadcast in many markets so it does not compete with Rush).
If people want radio and tv hosts who follow a predictable line there are PLENTY of them (on the right and as we can see Donahue on the faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar left). If they want to watch a show with (or a book by) someone who has basic conservative values but may arrrive at a different or surprising conclusion...there's O'Reilly. Also: he is a superb interviewer. If they had not thrown him in the office politics buzzsaw I firmly believe he'd be a top newsman (versus talk show host) at one of the three networks....but they played their game, he left...and now he's taking their viewers away. GREAT!
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posted on
09/22/2002 9:33:49 AM PDT
by
jraven
To: justme346
If Bill just reported like most main stream media, everyone would yawn and get on with their lives. Sometimes it takes alot to get government or people moving. Remember, only 30% wanted the American Revolution. If Bill didn't do what he did about the defense attorneys, I doubt anything else would have happened.
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posted on
09/22/2002 9:34:31 AM PDT
by
ampat
To: justme346
I agree that Bill O'Reilly has always been Bill O'Reilly. He's just more full of himself now. While I don't disagree with his stance on the issue he was discussing (lawyers), the other evening when he began shouting at the guest he had invited to be a devil's advocate, it was too much for me. Mr. O'Reilly's self gets in the way of his effectiveness and believability.
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posted on
09/22/2002 9:36:25 AM PDT
by
Clara Lou
To: cubreporter
...I think he needs to STOP interupting and listen more He has always interrupted his guests. That's fine if the guest is "spinning" or off-topic, but more and more he won't allow the person to complete a thought or a sentence because he always regards his opinion as more important. His ego has grown and can't be restrained.
A show I used to look forward to is now watched infrequently. He has become fingernails scraping the blackboard of the tv. (waxing poetic)
To: DeFault User
That's exactly how we feel.
To: jraven
A lot of what you say is true. However, he needs to let the guest SPEAK. He asks a question and then before the guest (whether I like that guest or not) says one complete sentence he jumps in and tends to badger. I don't like that. That's the kind of thing Donahue does. Plain and Simple and it is going to hurt Bill in the long run.
To: cubreporter
I don't mind him interrupting his guests when they start to spin and anyone who knows anything about the subject knows it is spin. We've had enough of that. I like it when they are brief and to the point but when they start going all over the place and get off topic, I rankle. I like Sean Hannity on his own but don't watch Hannity and Colmes because they get out of control with screaming and accusations and I have no idea what anyone is saying. O'Reilly doesn't allow that to happen. That said, I don't agree with him on several issues but am grateful for his show. He doesn't let much get by him that other media moguls do.
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posted on
09/22/2002 10:00:25 AM PDT
by
Jaidyn
To: Jaidyn
I agree.
As for Bill O'Reilly, there are times I agree and times I disagree with him. I totally agreed with his show regarding defense attorneys. It's about time outrage is shown. The crime Westerfield committed (and Feldman knew he had) was as evil and horrible as a crime can be. For Feldman to lie and try to accuse innocent people to get his demented client off is totally unexcusable.
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posted on
09/22/2002 10:11:51 AM PDT
by
Dante3
To: Dante3
I watched that show and agreed with him. Though the lifestyle of the family wasn't my choice, those attorneys raked them over the coals and practically accused them of killing their own daughter knowing their client was guilty. I read several posts here at FR where a few thought Westerfield was innocent and there were some rough words....all because of lying defense attorneys. Outrageous!
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posted on
09/22/2002 10:19:08 AM PDT
by
Jaidyn
To: justme346
My theory is that he started going downhill when Arthel Neville left FNC to go to CNN. While Arthel held leftist opinions with which I disagreed strongly, I think she acted as a "court jester" with Bill O'Reilly to keep him grounded in reality. Her verbal jousts with him were always interesting. Now, with her gone, there's no one to burst his balloon, and his head/ego has expanded mightily, to his detriment.
To: justme346
Bill O'Reilly, Connie Chung and Phil Donahue: worse, worser and worstest.
O'Reilly gets the same kind of TV remote action as Bill Clinton in my house, and on my car radio.
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posted on
09/22/2002 10:50:47 AM PDT
by
Maceman
To: FreedomPoster
O'Reilly, to command the position he has staked out, lacks three things to go on and upward. 1) His IQ is 45 points lower than he needs it to be to support his one-man-show. 2) He lacks, or does not know how to use, or refuses to use a first class research staff. 3) He needs a Paxil and to get rid of the radio show. The Paxil will temper his childish lack of control and the loss of the radio show will be a good example of hubris and will also relieve the stress he is unable to handle. It is FOXNEWS DUTY to corral this man and give him the training he needs to prevent an implosion. Two of the three above are quite doable and will be good for FOX and O'Reilly.
This criticism of Bill O'Reilly is totally constructive since my goal is to deprive the Communist News Network, the DISGUSTING ABC and CBS and the puny and anti-American NBC of every single viewer and ad dollar I possibly can.
To: chemainus
What's your IQ?
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posted on
09/22/2002 10:57:29 AM PDT
by
marvlus
Comment #20 Removed by Moderator
To: DeFault User
You have said it all so nicely so we say "ditto" to your comments.
Time for O'Reilly to look at himself.
To: chemainus
It is FOXNEWS DUTY to corral this man and give him the training he needs to prevent an implosion.FOXNEWS will continue to let O'Reilly be O'Reilly, which is why he is as successful as he is.
I'd wager his IQ is higher than yours, and his research staff is crack (witness the stuff they uncovered about Jesse Jackson).
You and all the other O'Reilly bashers here simply don't know what you're talking about. The author of this article is jealous that he can't command the kind of audience O'Reilly does, since nobody's ever hear of him.
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posted on
09/22/2002 11:00:27 AM PDT
by
sinkspur
To: sinkspur
I agree with you Sinkspur. Good rebuttal!
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posted on
09/22/2002 11:05:09 AM PDT
by
marvlus
To: Zubercyber
Did you happen to see MAD TV's parody of O'Reilly Saturday night?
The parody did not have to exagerate much to skewer O'Reilly's spleen venting. The takeoff had O'Reilly "interviewing" Condi Rice regarding the "War on Terrorism", which ended up being O'Reilly's attack on Canada, France and Germany. Condi, of course, was not able to complete a sentence. He gives her the last word, then interrupts to say he is out of time.
It was so much like the real thing that it almost didn't achieve parody status. It was somewhat ironic to see a FOX show slammed on the FOX network.
To: Jaidyn
I politely disagree when you say Bill does not allow the screaming and over talking to happen like it does on Hannity. Bill himself overtalks the guests. I guess I am on the fence with him. I don't watch as much as we used to and may have to stop altogether very soon. I hate that because I think he was the best thing on TV for a long time. As for Hannity and Colmes...can't stand watching Colmes...takes the opposing view ALL the time to the point of ridiculous.
Actually, I've stopped watching a lot of shows period. I figure once hear a bit of news that's it. I don't need to hear it over and over and over again by this guest and this host and then again with this guest and this host. It just gets sooooo tiring and gets beaten to death.
I will wait until we actually go to war. Then I may watch some of the TV but...it's too depressing and irritating with the naysayers talking party lines and not much more.
Gets old and have kinda had enough. I DO listen to Rush though. Oh yeahhhhh.... :)
To: justme346; All
I lost a lot of respect for O'Reilly. Here are several reasons.
He interviewed a black man who gave him the so often quoted out of context line from a Lincoln letter (I paraphrase): "... if I can avoid the war without freeing one slave I will do it". Bill O. was totaly unaware of the letter and the debacle surrounding it.
Bill O. was totally oblivious about the role played by April Gilespie (airhead US ambasador to Iraq) in Iraq invading Kuwait.
His vitriolic rantings about Cantor & Fitzgerald "not paying enough" to the victims of Sept. 11 were absurd and outright dangerous. Cantor & F is paying EXCESSIVELY to the families of victims, had no legal or moral obligation to do so, AND creates an absolutely dangerous and wrong precedent for other companies AND US government to follow.
To: justme346
O'Reilly and a few others continue to swamp the Liberal Socialist Juggernaut that is threatening life on earth. Without butt kickers like O'Reilly you get Chung Pravda Rather All the Time Network.
His wackiness and interruptions are just part of the territory, as are conservative attacks on him. We need him.
The Democrats fear him more than they do Rush. They can't label him as easily. Persons from the Clinton Administration are said to be afraid he might be the one that breaks the truth that puts someone in jail.
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posted on
09/22/2002 11:49:43 AM PDT
by
alrea
To: alrea
O'Reilly has morphed into Donahue-Lite. His fifteen minutes are almost over.
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posted on
09/22/2002 11:54:51 AM PDT
by
Palladin
To: justme346
O'Reilly can't lose it - he never had it.
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posted on
09/22/2002 11:57:15 AM PDT
by
hgro
To: hgro
O'Reilly can't lose it - he never had it. You can't take much pride in being ahead of Larry "the felon" King.
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posted on
09/22/2002 11:59:20 AM PDT
by
hgro
To: alrea
The Democrats fear him more than they do Rush. Do you really think so? Rush has 20 million listeners. O'Reilly has 2 million.
I don't think anyone on this thread wants O'Reilly off the air, but many of us would like to see him get his act together to be more effective, whether we agree with a partiuclar position or not.
Hysterical rants, poor preparation for interviews and constant interruption of guests will not keep his ratings up or make him an effective voice.
To: FreedomPoster
"My theory is that he started going downhill when Arthel Neville left FNC to go to CNN. While Arthel held leftist opinions with which I disagreed strongly, I think she acted as a "court jester" with Bill O'Reilly to keep him grounded in reality"
I totally agree. He seemed like he could laugh at himself then, and even admit how stupid some of his comments were. He takes himself way to seriously now. I think the failing of the radio program has done something to him too. He appears to be so angry, stressed out and out of control. Maybe he has personal problems too. Who knows, but he is not the same. I used to love watching his show, even when I disagreed with him.
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posted on
09/22/2002 12:13:05 PM PDT
by
Lanza
To: justme346
Yes, I have noticed that He has been almost "out of control"
lately. On some issues he yells and rants at his guest,
making it impossible to have a civil discourse. I don't
watch him anymore!
To: Nogbad
bump
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posted on
09/22/2002 12:28:04 PM PDT
by
Nogbad
To: chemainus
I think O'Reilly's TV show is excellent and he accomplishes many good things - a few that come to mind are going after the Red Cross after 9/11 and forcing them to hand over the money they collected to the victims' families, bringing Al-Arian (sp.?), the terrorist University of Florida professor and exposing him for what he is and now Westerfield's attorneys. I'm very grateful to Mr. O'Reilly for what he accomplishes.
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posted on
09/22/2002 12:43:50 PM PDT
by
maxwellp
To: justme346
O'Reilly has always claimed some Lib territory; he would offer 'Libertarian'. . .that said, have noticed as well, that he has become - at times - more than his usual 'heady' self. . .
Appreicate his success. . .but do think he needs to watch more often now, where he puts his feet. . .
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posted on
09/22/2002 2:13:15 PM PDT
by
cricket
To: justme346
Like other advocates of alternative lifestyles, his loquaciousness surceases concerning the inconvenient fact that over 90% of abuser priests violated adolescent or older males. When O'Reilly considered the Catholic sexual abuse scandal, but couldn't even find a way to make mention of the fact that it is overwhelmingly a case of homosexual molestation of teenage boys, I knew that he was no better than the people he attacks. He was purposefully hiding the truth and could not be trusted in other matters. Goob-bye Mr. O'Reilly.
To: justme346
Oh, the horror, the horror! Bill O'Reilly only agrees with me 75% of the time, instead of 100% of the time! Whatever shall I do?
To: justme346
I am going to like anyone who calls the Roman Catholic Church for what it is. When the sheeps clothing fall off and you find yourself in the teeth of the wolf, you will call her for what she is too...but...will be to late.
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posted on
09/22/2002 2:33:27 PM PDT
by
BriarBey
To: chemainus
When O'Reilly's attacking them, he's a genius who grasp of world affairs is astonishing.
When O'Reilly's attacking you, he is being fair and balanced, and you should keep an open mind.
When O'Reilly's attacking me, he is a shrill fool who is blind to the obvious.
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posted on
09/22/2002 2:38:27 PM PDT
by
gcruse
To: chemainus
When O'Reilly's attacking them, he's a genius who grasp of world affairs is astonishing.
When O'Reilly's attacking you, he is being fair and balanced, and you should keep an open mind.
When O'Reilly's attacking me, he is a shrill fool who is blind to the obvious.
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posted on
09/22/2002 2:38:28 PM PDT
by
gcruse
To: chemainus
When O'Reilly's attacking them, he's a genius who grasp of world affairs is astonishing.
When O'Reilly's attacking you, he is being fair and balanced, and you should keep an open mind.
When O'Reilly's attacking me, he is a shrill fool who is blind to the obvious.
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posted on
09/22/2002 2:38:29 PM PDT
by
gcruse
To: gcruse
Hiccup!
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posted on
09/22/2002 2:39:18 PM PDT
by
gcruse
To: leadpenny
When I am talking to a die-hard democrat (yellow dog) and they start spinning lies, (they all do, you know) I try to interrupt too.. Most of the time, they just keep spreading the bull! I am a fan of Bill Oreilly.. so if you don't like him.. what alternatives do you have? There is always Donahue and King, and God forbid Dan Rather! Have you noticed a liberal New York Times reporter won't come in miles of Bill! As for as Rep. Ford (D)from Tennessee letter to President Bush, if I was the President I would tell Ford just where to put his political letter.
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posted on
09/22/2002 2:54:40 PM PDT
by
HarryH
To: justme346
Is Bill OReilly Losing It? B.O' lost it.
To: sinkspur
You weren't disgusted by the Saudi kidnapping incident?
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posted on
09/22/2002 3:07:43 PM PDT
by
DB
To: yendu bwam
Adios, yebdu, don't let the door hit you anywhere on the way out! Go back to watching Donahue! :-)
47
posted on
09/22/2002 3:09:53 PM PDT
by
HarryH
To: justme346
Is Bill O'Reilly losing it? Yes.
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posted on
09/22/2002 3:14:03 PM PDT
by
Tribune7
To: justme346
I am starting to tire of Bill myself. He used to do investigtions into Jesse Jackson, now, as the author said, he has people on to defend "Gay" marriage and adoption. If I want to see that I can get it on every other channel. Doesn't he know this? He was popular when he was different.
To: justme346
You can't lose what you DON'T have!
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