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No excuse for joking about terror
New York Daily News ^ | 9/23/02 | John Leo

Posted on 09/23/2002 3:04:54 AM PDT by kattracks

What really happened in the case of the three Muslim medical students and Eunice Stone? She is the nurse who said she overheard the students Sept. 12 at a Georgia restaurant apparently talking about plans for terrorism the next day.

Let's offer a probability rating, just as weather forecasters do when discussing chances of rain. Probability that the three men were terrorists who thought it was a good idea to discuss their plot loudly at a Shoney's restaurant in Calhoun, Ga., the day before an attack - less than 1%. Probability that Stone decided to call attention to herself by making up this story or that she misconstrued a memorable line about Friday the 13th - also 1% or less.

Probability the students were playing a joke, then refused to take responsibility when the incident blew up into an all-day scare on cable TV - 98%.

The students' credibility suffered greatly after authorities stopped them and shut down a major Florida highway to check their two cars for explosives. None were found, but federal and county authorities said the three students, interviewed separately, gave accounts that didn't match. This seems a polite way of saying that a great deal of prevarication was going on.

Experience tells us that in situations like this, we are never very far from allegations of bias and racial profiling. Sure enough. One student, Ayman Gheith, said that after Stone noticed his Muslim garb, "Maybe she put a little salt and pepper in her story." He said she was "flat-out lying." Gheith's sister said the three had made the mistake of stopping for a meal in Georgia, implying the whole state is so racist that no Muslim should ever risk eating there.

Oddly, the media didn't buy the racial-profiling complaint. The assumption was that the men had been caught in a prank. Perhaps because the hoax theory was so dominant, the students and their lawyers evolved a new, softer media message. By Sunday, Stone was no longer a flat-out liar, but rather a kindly though mistaken bystander who had been trying to be a patriot.

Another change in the students' message: They'd used the phrase "bring it down," just as Stone said, but the reference was to bringing a car from Kansas City to Miami. Why it took three days to mention the car wasn't explained.

An odd comment came from Anthony Romero, the new American Civil Liberties Union executive director: "Satire, humor, jokes are part of our everyday lives. We shouldn't be afraid that what we say might trigger a reaction from law enforcement."

Romero apparently acknowledges this looks like a hoax, yet defends it on free-speech grounds. But it is not all right to joke about staging a terrorist attack. It's dangerous, puts stress on law enforcement and can cost a lot of money - more than $100,000 in this case.

All post-9/11 hoaxes should be taken seriously. People who mailed baby powder and other fake versions of anthrax faced criminal charges. So should hoaxers who talk of terrorist plots.

At week's end, there were signs that Attorney General John Ashcroft's detractors may cite this case as a horrible example of what would happen if average citizens were recruited to report suspicious activity, as he has called for.

But Stone behaved well in reporting what might have been a serious plot. It's no horrible example, just an ordinary citizen doing the right thing.



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1 posted on 09/23/2002 3:04:54 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Very good article! Of course this is what happened...I'm glad someone else noticed how long it took them (and their lawyers), to come up with the "bring it down" theory.
2 posted on 09/23/2002 3:19:20 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: kattracks
Subtract the damn moslems from this situation and –voilà!- there's no problem.

In fact, the subtraction of moslems from ANY situation or environment results in a measurable and welcome reduction in the number of stone-age-moron-induced problems.

The potential for improvement, and the means to achieve it, is obvious.

3 posted on 09/23/2002 3:23:35 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: DWSUWF
Subtract the damn moslems from this situation and –voilà!- there's no problem.

In fact, the subtraction of moslems from ANY situation or environment results in a measurable and welcome reduction in the number of stone-age-moron-induced problems.

I do not understand why there are any muslims in this country. Anything can be called a religion. An ideology, both absurd and evil, which turns 1/5 of its adherents into raving vicious lunatics and the rest into slaves to superstition is not a religion, it is a disease.

Do you suppose Nazis would have been allowed to hold meetings, wear swastikas and uniforms, and seek new members in this country during world war 2?

Give them all three months to be gone. It won't matter how they go. Those whose minds have not been completely turned to mush can just stop being Muslims, or they can leave, or ....

Hank

4 posted on 09/23/2002 3:57:19 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
"...Give them all three months to be gone..."

That's generous.

islam is no more a legitimate 'religion' than the pimples on my ass are the Gettysburg Address in Braille.

It's a conspiracy with quasi-religious aspects, in the same manner of La Cosa Nostra.

Round 'em up.

Get 'em the Hell out of this country.

ASAP.

5 posted on 09/23/2002 4:11:13 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: kattracks
Probability that the three men were terrorists who thought it was a good idea to discuss their plot loudly at a Shoney's restaurant in Calhoun, Ga., the day before an attack - less than 1%.

Doubt it.

Stories about terrorists saying to others when something big happens think of me, and the school kid who predicted the fall of the WTC raise the probability a lot higher than 1%.

No one has accused the arabs of being brilliant, just dangerous.
6 posted on 09/23/2002 4:24:31 AM PDT by RWG
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To: kattracks
I just mailed this to Larkin:
"Larkin Hospital, Miami, Florida: How on earth can you allow three people who at worst are potential terrorists or sympathizers, almost as bad are blatant liars, or at the very best show a total lack of judgement and concern? These people do not deserve to be schooled in any profession in the United States and certainly not by your hospital. Your attitude is a travesty and a smear on the medical profession. Where are your standards? Your actions answer that question quite clearly." Signed My Name. My City

The Larkin Hospital address is available via the web. Perhaps FREEPERs would like to let the hospital know what we think about their plan not to " under any circumstances allow this to interrupt these men's education to become full practicing physicians."

There are too damned many of them practicing now, paid for by U.S. Tax Dollars, getting a $Million a year as doctors, while our kids can't get close to a med school. I have already written them. Will you at FR join me in protesting this egregious attitude?
7 posted on 09/23/2002 4:48:49 AM PDT by chemainus
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To: spinneyhead
Your suggestion that we throw out the blacks is a teensy bit prejudiced, no?

I can see your point with the Irish, though. Can we get rid of the Dutch while we're at it?
9 posted on 09/23/2002 5:51:19 AM PDT by Norman Conquest
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To: kattracks
At week's end, there were signs that Attorney General John Ashcroft's detractors may cite this case as a horrible example of what would happen if average citizens were recruited to report suspicious activity

If Attorney General John Ashcroft's detractors are successful with this ploy, then we also need to eliminate laws that allow law enforcement to jail idiots who joke about bombs in airports. What's the difference??? Why can't these folks cry "free speech" when THEY get arrested? I'll tell you why, because they are not Moose Limbs or some other revered minority/victim group.

10 posted on 09/23/2002 6:33:18 AM PDT by PLK
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To: PLK
You mention hijack or bomb at an airport and you're in deep doo-doo.

These 3 scumbags deserve jail-time.

11 posted on 09/23/2002 6:46:57 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: Norman Conquest
I can see your point with the Irish, though. Can we get rid of the Dutch while we're at it?

Hey, now...I'm 1/4 Dutch, and 1/2 Irish! And I was born here!

I'd be content to throw out all illegal immigrants, and subject attempted immigrants from known terrorist hotbeds to a lot of scrutiny before allowing admittance. That would go a long way to making the country a safer place. Will it ever happen? Probably not unless we get hit hard, as in tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths. Something only possible with a biological attack or a nuclear detonation in a city. As perverse as it sounds to say so, I find myself wondering if such an attack would be a good thing, in the long run. It might make our leaders wake up. Then again, it might give rise to the police state that rubs so many of us the wrong way.

12 posted on 09/23/2002 6:49:03 AM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: spinneyhead
"...And while your at it, throw out the blacks and the Irish..."

If either of them ever stoop to the level of the mohamma-rama-ding-dong-dipsh!ts I'll be right there with you, spiny.

Until then all I want to see crowded on the poop deck of that tramp steamer headed out to sea is a gaggle of Satan worshipping ragheads.

13 posted on 09/23/2002 6:51:57 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: spinneyhead
LOL
14 posted on 09/23/2002 7:04:26 AM PDT by Lizard_King
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To: DWSUWF
Completely agree.
15 posted on 09/23/2002 8:32:57 AM PDT by 2rightsleftcoast
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To: DWSUWF
Amen!
16 posted on 09/23/2002 8:35:20 AM PDT by 2rightsleftcoast
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To: kattracks
county authorities said the three students, interviewed separately, gave accounts that didn't match.

Bump for great justice.

17 posted on 09/23/2002 8:37:11 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Hank Kerchief
While I certainly agree that we should toss out any Muslim that has any relationship to terrorism, e.g sends their kids to those radical schools, we need to be careful that we don't declare a religion as a whole invalid and toss out or kill all it's adherents. The next belief on the chopping block might be yours.
18 posted on 09/23/2002 8:41:43 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: kattracks
We shouldn't be afraid that what we say might trigger a reaction from law enforcement."

Try publicly threatening to kill the president. You'll get all kinds of "reaction from law enforcement".

This guy is an idiot.

19 posted on 09/23/2002 11:09:10 AM PDT by Steve0113
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