Pedophiles 'born that way' - a Must Read and the quote of the month (great conservative article)

szasz ^

[chance33_98]

It is not by accident that, in all the psychiatric literature, there is not a single account of voices that command a schizophrenic to be especially kind to his wife. That is because being kind to one's wife is not the sort of behaviour to which we want to assign a causal (psychiatric) explanation.

This quote (my quote of the month)is not from this article but from another one he wrote Here (Mental illness: psychiatry's phlogiston)

A priest who has sex with a child commits a grave moral wrong and also violates the criminal law. He does not treat himself as if he has a disease before he is apprehended, and we ought not to treat him that way afterward.

Heh heh heh. The other article I linked to above is even better then this one - it is no wonder liberals hate this guy.

[chance33_98]

Ping!

[harpseal]

A while back it was stated by manu that once the homosexual rights movement had established homosexuality as a norm for our culture the next step would be towards the normalization of child molestation. This article is a major step on that road. How long before it is considered criminal by the state for a parent to try to prevent the sexual abuse of their child? A lot of us would say over my dead body but to the liberals that is just the way they would prefer it.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[GailA]

Just another way for socialist/liberals to normalize this horrible crime against innocent children!

[harpseal]

I understand that and I would state that if the sexual abuse of children were to be sanctioned by the state then such a state would be illegitimate and it should be overthrown violently if necessary. Further, supporters of that hypothetical state should be viewed as direct and immediate threats to one's family and be dealt with accordingly.

We are not at that state yet and I hope we never get there but it is necessary to point out where the road is going and what the consequences of that path are.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[CometBaby]

Thanks for posting this .. its a *must read*!

[Illbay]

And parents are sometimes part of the problem.

[ValerieUSA]

Fred Berlin lost me right here:

...nobody chooses to be sexually attracted to young people.

WRONG! People choose to do wrong things all of the time, including hurting children. Children aren't molested just because someone finds them attractive, but often because someone is exploiting their vulnerability. It's not a sexual thing so much as it is an EVIL thing.
I wonder what sexual activities Berlin willingly engages in that he doesn't choose to do?

[syriacus]

The acceptance of this notion helps explain the widespread belief that sex offenders are more likely than other criminals to commit new crimes, an assumption that is not supported by the evidence. Tracking a sample of state prisoners who were released in 1983, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found that 52 percent of rapists and 48 percent of other sex offenders were arrested for a new crime within three years, compared to 60 percent of all violent offenders. The recidivism rates for nonviolent crimes were even higher: 70 percent for burglary and 78 percent for car theft, for example.

I'm confused by this statement, which compares the reporting of sex-crimes with the reporting of burglary and car theft and violent crime.

Wouldn't sex-crimes be less likely to be reported than violent crimes or burglary? Isn't the crime of pedophilia especially likely to be underreported? Can the reporting of pedophilia, which is a crime against a child, really be lumped in with the reporting of any crimes against adults?

Maybe the sex-offenders are committing new crimes, but not being hauled into court for committing them. Maybe this is especially true in the case of pedophiles.

Finally, (and maybe I'm stretching legal terms here, isn't pedophilia often a "violent" crime?

[cricket]

"Just another way for socialist/liberals to normalize this horrible crime against innocent children!"

Yes, and they will never stop trying.

Liberals are not normal; and I am convinced that many are born that way as well.

[Norman Conquest]

Is child molestation a sickness or a crime?

Why not both? The argument that it's "not my fault" therefore makes an action beyond good and evil is just plain evil itself.

[Wurlitzer]

"I understand that and I would state that if the sexual abuse of children were to be sanctioned by the state then such a state would be illegitimate and it should be overthrown violently if necessary. "

Agreed harpseal. Could not the same be said of abortion? It is after all the most violent form of child abuse.

[jlogajan]

Because children cannot legally consent to anything, an adult using a child as a sexual object is engaging in a wrongful act. Such an act is wrongful because it entails the use of physical coercion, the threat of such coercion, or (what comes to the same thing in a relationship between an adult and a child) the abuse of the adult’s status as a trusted authority.

Szasz is a Libertarian and this sentence shows his Libertarian objection to child abuse.

[Hank Kerchief]

it is no wonder liberals hate this guy.

Most psychologists and psychiatrists hate him too. He's one of only a handful of those in the psychiatric community with any light, the rest, like all cockroaches, hate it.

Hank

[dpa5923]

Self ping for later read.

[doc30]

THis is the EXACT tactic being developed by these sick perverts. THey want pedophelia to become an issue of sexual orientation, not perversion and child rape. As a "sexual orientation," child molesters would enter into a protected status. Arresting someone for pedophelia would be viewed as a violation of their fundamental rights and we will forced to accept these bastards into society. Well, they may try to force acceptance, but it will never happen with me.

[Hank Kerchief]

It is after all the most violent form of child abuse.

You just finished reading an article that points out the misuse of language is one of the main ways perversions are put over. Didn't you learn anything from it?

If you are going to call the unborn a "child," then what are you going to call those that are born. They are not the same thing. Since abortion is already allowed, if you make the unborn and the born the same thinkg, in the eyes of those who approve abortion, you are promoting infaticide. Is that what you want?

One reason those who oppose abortion are losing the battle is because almost all of their arguments are wrong.

Hank

[Zon]

I understand that and I would state that if the sexual abuse of children were to be sanctioned by the state then such a state would be illegitimate and it should be overthrown violently if necessary.

Analogous-rhetoricly I ask, is Saddam a mortal threat now but that we must wait until he uses a weapon of mass destruction before taking him out of power?

[Hank Kerchief]

Well, they may try to force acceptance, but it will never happen with me.

I believe you, and feel the same way. But, you know, I heard a lot of people say the same thing about sex education in the schools (which has put a lot of this over) and about homosexuals, and quite a few other things which are nevertheless not only tolerated by the people who said it, but positively supported by them. How many of these same people are afraid to say where they work or shop, that homosexuals have something wrong with them.

Hank

[harpseal]

I am unwilling to endorse the use of violence to stop abortion.