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Did Germany give Nuclear Technology to Iraq?
O'Reilly Factor ^ | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 | Eric Nalder

Posted on 09/24/2002 11:39:49 AM PDT by Eva

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In the unresolved problem segment tonight, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has been reelected by just a few votes. And there's no question he would have lost if not for the far left, which rallied to him after he said Germany would not help the United States remove Saddam Hussein.


(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; iraq; nucleartechnology
What's most interesting about the whole discussion of the German-U.S. tensions is the failure of the press or the governments involved to mention the assistance to the weapons of mass destruction programs that Hussein gave.

It's not really all that surprising. At least we now know why Germany is opposed to attacking Iraq if they don't expose and destroy their weapons of mass destruction. Germany provided them with the technology and is maybe still supplying the aluminum components.

1 posted on 09/24/2002 11:39:49 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
The truth is Germany just doesn't care, especially if it threaten the state of Israel.
2 posted on 09/24/2002 11:47:27 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
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To: Eva
Uh, ja.
3 posted on 09/24/2002 11:49:38 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Eva
If Germany gave Iraq WMD or special assistance to create them, then Gerhard Schroeder deserves a pipe bomb shoved up his @ss courtesy of the Mossad..... I have no fear that they have the cojones to do it either.

Schroeder's storm troopers (and the "Green Weenies") have been making noises reminscent of the Nazis all during the debate over disarming Saddam. Very curious, indeed.

4 posted on 09/24/2002 11:50:36 AM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: Eva
Its time to kick the Luftwaffe out of the USA as well...Holoman AFB good place to start
5 posted on 09/24/2002 11:52:20 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: elhombrelibre
Did you hear that German representative on Brit Hume, yesterday. The guy was trying to spin the situation of US/German relations, and he claimed that Schroeder would likely soften his stance and help out in other ways, like allowing the use of military bases and fly-over permission. Brit asked,"What bases, you mean our own bases?" The man said, "yes," like that was some kind of concession. I say, let Russia use our bases for a while to moniter the German militarization.
6 posted on 09/24/2002 11:56:34 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
So what? USA sold helicopters (gunships) to Iraq in the 1980's.

Gave Stingers to the Taliban in the 90's.

What country is innocont of arms dealings?

M

7 posted on 09/24/2002 11:57:29 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: joesnuffy
I didn't know that we had German planes on our air bases. That should be the first thing that we do, before we pull our bases out of Germany.
8 posted on 09/24/2002 12:00:03 PM PDT by Eva
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To: AzJP
First, I don't think that helicopters are considered weapons of mass destruction. Second, Germany has been claiming that we have no proof that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. Their Greens keep whining, "Show us the proof." Third, their punishment for the technology transfers was very weak but at least, it rated more than what Bernard Schwartz got under Clinton. Schroeder is a Clinton clone.
9 posted on 09/24/2002 12:05:01 PM PDT by Eva
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To: AzJP
You can't be serious. You can't differentiate the relative dangers to the U.S. of stingers and helicopters from components of nuclear weapons?

While you're at it, I'm betting Home Depot sold them some saws and Office Depot sold Iraq some scissors.

10 posted on 09/24/2002 12:11:32 PM PDT by hoyaloya
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To: Eva
First: they weren't when they left California, but Iraqi modifications may have twisted the definition of WOMD particularly amongst those who had a thought or two before the Iraqi gunships killed Iraqi.

Your other points: I do not trust contemporary media reporting of government p.r. Many layers of liars.

kj

Moot point: sell a punk a .32 hollow nose, or a .9mm hollow nose.

11 posted on 09/24/2002 12:12:00 PM PDT by AzJP
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To: hoyaloya
Please use your imagination. US helicopters with fittings for agri spray tanks sold to Iraq. Iraq buys spray tanks. Iraq modifies spray tanks. Iraq installs mod tanks on helis. Iraq buys/makes liquid air dispersable poisons. Iraqi dissidents see/hear helis in the sky. Iraqi dissidents found poisoned dead.

Ain't modern technology wonderful?

kj

12 posted on 09/24/2002 12:16:11 PM PDT by AzJP
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To: skull stomper
You're right!
14 posted on 09/24/2002 12:38:53 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
As a frenchman, I interpret this as another proof among dozens that these Germans are just Johny come-latelies constantly running after fashions set by the French,

Selling nuclear technologies to rogue regimes... God, this is so 1977!

15 posted on 09/24/2002 12:43:31 PM PDT by zefrog
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To: AzJP
Please use your imagination. US helicopters with fittings for agri spray tanks sold to Iraq. Iraq buys spray tanks. Iraq modifies spray tanks. Iraq installs mod tanks on helis. Iraq buys/makes liquid air dispersable poisons. Iraqi dissidents see/hear helis in the sky. Iraqi dissidents found poisoned dead.

American jets shoot down Iraqi helicopters before they leave no-fly zone, where Iraqi dissidents are. Use a little more thought please.

16 posted on 09/24/2002 12:47:50 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Eva
Once read a book about the role of German corportions in the lead-up to both world wars. Think it had "Krupp" in the title, as in the Krupp family, who was big into arms production and sales.

Long before Hitler fixed bayonets on the Jews, German corporations dreamed up and persuaded their government to let them run concentration camps---basically, camps for slave laborers in their factories.

It was German corporations that thought up the initial "Nacht und Nebel" program, that is, going around under cover of night and fog and nabbing people to be transported to the labor camps.

Hitler just picked up on a system already used by German corporations and elaborated on it for his "Final Solution," the extermination of the Jews.

BTW, Algore's father was mighty friendly, and, if I recall correctly, obtained much of his wealth through a relationship with the patriarch of a big German arms-dealing family.

17 posted on 09/24/2002 12:49:10 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: zefrog
Selling nuclear technologies to rogue regimes... God, this is so 1977!

Please explain.

18 posted on 09/24/2002 12:49:29 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
How do we see this film, Stealing The Fire?
19 posted on 09/24/2002 12:50:02 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG
The Arms of Krupp maybe?
20 posted on 09/24/2002 12:53:02 PM PDT by madison10
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To: elhombrelibre
I agree.

I guess Germany can be considered a nation the "supports or harbors" terrorists......bombs away!

Germany likes its annuity business of selling its technology. Boy, times ARE tough if this is what you have to do for a buck these days.
21 posted on 09/24/2002 12:54:13 PM PDT by chris_in_nj
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To: elhombrelibre
The truth is Germany just doesn't care, especially if it threatens the state of Israel.

Actually, those Nazi-lovers do care. They care to completely destroy the state of Israel, and attempt to finish what their duly elected fuhrer [Hitler] started. ...And their sentiments are thinly disguised, indeed.

22 posted on 09/24/2002 12:56:43 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: madison10
Yes, I think you are correct. It was a fascinating read (but not a fascinating title, I guess).
23 posted on 09/24/2002 12:59:42 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG
I don't know, where the film will be available. Maybe you should e-mail O'Reilly and ask him.
24 posted on 09/24/2002 1:00:53 PM PDT by Eva
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To: fightinJAG
Maybe FOX will show this film as an O'Reilly special. O'Reilly can do a lead-in and then a short commentary on the film as a lead-in after every commercial break.

Not on the same level, politically, but the Animal Channel used this format with Sigeurny (sp?) Weaver and the film Gorrillas In the Mist. Her commentary made it very interesting. Which is saying a lot for a gorrilla movie.

Then after the movie, O'Reilly could a host a roundtable discussion.

Point: FOX shows Stealing the Fire for purposes of discussion.

25 posted on 09/24/2002 1:05:50 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: zefrog
these Germans are just Johny come-latelies constantly running after fashions set by the French

ROFL. So true!

26 posted on 09/24/2002 1:08:59 PM PDT by Don Carlos
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To: Eva
Eva, just going by notoriously inaccurate memory, I recall pre-web articles about Germany, and perhaps France and other nations, selling various countries in the middle east technology that had dual-use possiblities.

Like chemical plants for insecticide that could make nerve gases with some alterations, and bacteriological equipment that could culture germ agents. FWIW!

27 posted on 09/24/2002 1:10:50 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Eva
The French were the ones that sold Iraq a nuclear power plant that was ultimately destroyed by the Israelis.
28 posted on 09/24/2002 1:17:42 PM PDT by mushroom
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To: Eva
Slightly off topic, but the other day I fired an email off to the German Consulate in Chicago concerning Frau Gmelin's attacks on President Bush. I received the following email in reply:

"It was with great regret I received your message. We all regret the remarks of Federal Minister of Justice Herta Daubler-Gmelin, who will not belong to the newly elected government.

"Allow me to point out the following sentences of a letter sent from Chancellor Gerhard Schroder to President George Bush on September 20:

'Let me assure you that there is no room in my cabinet for anyone who speaks of the President of the United States of America and a criminal in the same breath.'

"Furthermore, the White House Spokesman rightly pointed to the close and special ties between the German and the American people. Justice Minister Gmelin has called the connection between her and an alleged comparison of Bush and Nazi officials, as reported in a regional newspaper in Germany, erroneous and slanderous.

"Minister Gmelin telephoned the US Ambassador to Germany on September 20 to explain the incident. Speaking to the press on the same day, Minister Gmelin said that she regretted that the highly emotional press coverage of the matter was beginning to cast a shadow on the good German-American relationship

"Sincerely yours,

Dr. Claus Peter Woerner
Deputy Consul General
Office of the Consulate General of the Federal Republic of Germany"

Are there conflicting messages in this email or not? Like, we don't approve of this woman, but of course, it's all the fault of the press?

Leni

29 posted on 09/24/2002 1:26:01 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: fightinJAG; backhoe
Ok, I did a web search and here is a review of the film:

Stealing the Fire (NY Premiere)

Directed by John S.Friedman and Eric Nadler Produced in US/Germany, 2002 Running Time: 97m Format: video Genre: Documentary Distributor: Friedman/Nadler Productions

Filmed over five years on four continents, Stealing the Fire focuses on Karl-Heinz Schaab, a German technician convicted of treason in 1999 for selling top secret nuclear weapons plans to Iraq. The film unflinchingly exposes a web of government and corporate intrigue and lays bare an unbroken chain of events and people that connects today's nuclear weapons underground with the atomic bomb program of Nazi Germany. Stealing the Fire investigates the 60-year history of a German multi-national corporation that directly profited from the Holocaust and in recent decades became a leading supplier of nuclear weapons technology to developing nations, including Iraq and Pakistan


As you can see, this film is about a German who was convicted of treason for selling nuclear weapon plans to Iraq, plans which Iraq could sell or pass on to other rogue states or entities. This goes far beyond the trading in military weapons, not beyond what Bernard Schwartz did, though.

I e-mailed the producers, asking where and how the film can be viewed.

30 posted on 09/24/2002 1:51:21 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
Lookie who Germany has been sleeping with. Interesting..
31 posted on 09/24/2002 1:52:26 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: MinuteGal
Considering the follow-up remarks that Herta made, I would say that this response is less than satisfactory, as was Schroeder's lack of immediate, public denunciation of this woman.
32 posted on 09/24/2002 1:53:09 PM PDT by Eva
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To: mushroom; Eva
The French were the ones that sold Iraq a nuclear power plant that was ultimately destroyed by the Israelis.

Yup. And they also sold nuclear technologies (or uranium, or both, I don't remember exactly) to Khadaffi at the end of the 70s. Let's mention however that by this time, Khadaffi and Hussein were not as poorly considered by the West, US included, as they are today. Hussein in particular was seen as an ally against the fundamentalists and especially against Iran.

That's no excuse, but this different context makes the whole thing a little less surprising.

33 posted on 09/24/2002 1:56:31 PM PDT by zefrog
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To: Eva
Wow! I'll mass email this link...
34 posted on 09/24/2002 1:56:51 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Rye
We don't call the Greens in this country,"Enviro Nazis" for no reason.
35 posted on 09/24/2002 1:57:05 PM PDT by Eva
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To: zefrog
But the film is about a German who was convicted of treason for selling nuclear technology to Iraq and got away with a $32,000 fine, not the legal selling of nuclear plants or materials.

The Germans know that Saddam has the technology and they also know that they probably have the materials necessary for the weapons of mass destruction, but they are still crying- Show us the proof! They claim that Saddam is not such a threat. Of course he's not stupid enough to bite the hand that fed him, unless of course that hand sides with Saddam's enemies. Do you think that perhaps, Saddam threatened to make public, to the world, the source of his weapons of mass destruction if Germany lined up with the US?
36 posted on 09/24/2002 2:06:05 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
Too bad Germans don't get C-SPAN. A lot of interesting things are being brought up in the hearings. Ignorance is bliss you know. They don't really know where those aluminum tubes are from. I thought I read that this Wisconsin group thinks they are from Ukraine or Belarus. Saddam has been on a shopping spree all around the world picking up dual use materials to build his weapons program. In plain sight with no export controls. It is very dangerous to ignore all of this.
37 posted on 09/24/2002 4:12:57 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Eva
I call the the Greens the "lunatic fringe".
38 posted on 09/24/2002 4:14:46 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Eva; Big Steve; blackie; nickcarraway; Salvation
Did you see this?!
39 posted on 09/24/2002 4:40:49 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: virgil
I call the anarchistic Greens, Enviro Nazis, buy the PETA people are the PETA Freaks. It just seems to fit their wide-eyed, deer in the headlights expression better.
40 posted on 09/24/2002 4:54:28 PM PDT by Eva
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To: virgil
I think that the Ukraine is a good bet for the source of the aluminum components. The Ukraine has been increasingly anti-Jewish for years. I have neighbors who do missionary work there and they have been telling me about it. They say that the anti-Jewish sentiment has reached pre-WWII levels.
42 posted on 09/24/2002 4:57:52 PM PDT by Eva
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To: All
I just received this in an E-mail and I would like some confirmation is anyone knows.

Exclusive:The United States supplied Saddam Hussein's Iraq with West Nile virus, a recently released CDC letter proves. NewsMax.com has obtained a copy of a 1995 letter sent by Bill Clinton’s director of the Centers for Disease Control, Dr. David Satcher, to Sen. Donald Riegle.

43 posted on 09/24/2002 4:59:10 PM PDT by scouse
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To: Go Dub Go
I heard about the stuff we gave Hussein in the 80s. I'm not so convinced as to what we gave OBL outside a little bit of training. Some people said that the US created OBL. It may have actually been the Saudi Royal family that created him. There is a book called Forbidden Truth written by a couple of French persons who addressed this.
44 posted on 09/24/2002 5:13:19 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Eva
I didn't know that things had gotten that bad in the Ukraine. Nukes or no nukes, I think Saddam is going to attack Israel. Saddam wants to be the hero of the Arab world. I think that is his plan.
45 posted on 09/24/2002 5:23:01 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Lady In Blue
Remove Our Troops From Germany !!

Fire Democrats, hire Republicans !!

GWB Is The Man !!

Snuff Saddam, NOW !!

Death To all Tyrant's !!

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

46 posted on 09/25/2002 10:06:49 AM PDT by blackie
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To: Eva
What's it going to take for us to act and begin downsizing our troop presence in Germany?
47 posted on 09/25/2002 10:29:07 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: virgil
Here's the reply that I got from my inquiry about "Stealing the fire".

Thanks for your e-mail. Stealing the Fire opens in NYC on October 16th. We have a limited supply of video cassettes. If you send me a check for $50 I will send you a cassette.
Please let me know and I'll give you the address where the check should be sent and, of course, I'll need your address.
John
Here's the e-mail address-From: JFried6058@aol.com

Subject: Re: Stealing the Fire
Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:57 AM


48 posted on 09/25/2002 3:32:50 PM PDT by Eva
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