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SMOKING GUN URANIUM-GERMANY WHILE Ritter Stokes Islamic Hate
AP ^ | 9/29/02

Posted on 09/28/2002 2:12:10 PM PDT by Diogenesis

SMOKING GUN LINKS URANIUM to GERMANY WHILE IRAQ's PR Ritter Stokes Islamic Hate.

This is a MUST-SEE.

======== Turkey ===========

In Turkey, captured weapons-grade urainum ~33 pounds.
Detained two men from an east European country, cost ~5 million dollars


========== London =====

Meanwhile in London, Scott Ritter, former American, inflames one hundred thousand.




TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: germany; iraq; islam; london; ritter; ritterisatraitor; ritteriswrong; saddamritter; schroeder; uranium
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To: dwills
your jingoism and religious bigotry disgrace and undermine our efforts by excluding many fine pro-USA 'thinkers' who don't belong to your tribe

Jingoism? I call it seeing the forest for the trees.

There are exceptions to every generalization, but there will be but two camps at the end...

251 posted on 09/28/2002 8:00:08 PM PDT by copycat
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To: Squantos
Took me a little brushing up. It can mine too. Where did you find the animated semaphore on the computer? It is a great way for us to communicate--and practice.
252 posted on 09/28/2002 8:02:41 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: bonesmccoy
Mecury switchs are quite common. The most common place they have been used is in home heating thermostats. If you have a good quality thermostat in your home then pull off the cover and have a look. You will see the glass bulb and ball of mercury that shorts the terminals inside to start your furnace. The tilting of this switch is done by a coil of spring metal that is sensitive to temperature. I also remember seeing these used in security devices and even as a switch to sense when the washing machine lid was open so that the machine would not engage the spin cycle with the lid open.
253 posted on 09/28/2002 8:02:45 PM PDT by Revel
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To: hellinahandcart
Wow. Every single one of the pictures is completely disturbing.

Tell me about it. We've planned a trip to the UK for later in November and were thinking of staying at the Royal Horseguards Hotel, which fronts on the street of the protests.

Hopefully this scum is scurrying back home now.

254 posted on 09/28/2002 8:02:52 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: UnBlinkingEye
What was your final rank?

A simple E-4 (Specialist). I completed PLDC and was thought about for Corporal stripes, but I didn't want E-5 duties/responsiblities for E-4 pay (and with absolutely no authority that an NCO holds to boot). Responsibility with no authority? I don't think so! ;-)

255 posted on 09/28/2002 8:06:55 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Publius Maximus
WHY IS THIS NOT BREAKING NEWS ON CNN, FOXNEWS, ETC????

FWIW, it was on ABC radio news at 7 PM Alaska Daylight Time. The smugglers nearly made it to Syria. How many have gotten through up until now? Probably a lot [answering my own question.]

256 posted on 09/28/2002 8:07:37 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
CNN just spent 20 minutes on this find. Carol Lin reported that CNN had not been able to confirm the grade of the Uranium. However, the pundit they interviewed essentially substantiated everything in this thread. That's not good news. However, he did offer one thing, it could be a ruse or an incorrect report. I did notice some tape around part of the casing in the CNN video. I'm sure they'll show more.
257 posted on 09/28/2002 8:11:24 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: LibWhacker
33 pounds of weapons grade uranium

It's enriched. Natural uranium contains a very small percentage of the critical isotope. This item is enriched, but for use as reactor fuel. It still isn't enriched enough to serve in an explosive nuke device. Call it proto-weapons-grade. Still needs processing. You are correct, if it were 30 kg of U235, it wouldn't be packed around like this. 20 pounds of the weapons isotope in one piece would be darned inconvenient to transport in a taxicab. There might be 0.7 kg of U235 in the cylinder a proportion by weight of the whole 30 kg.

258 posted on 09/28/2002 8:18:31 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Nogbad

259 posted on 09/28/2002 8:23:46 PM PDT by ALS
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To: ALS
How come parts are in english and parts aren't??
260 posted on 09/28/2002 8:24:38 PM PDT by ALS
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To: Publius Maximus
...because we have a real President, who knows what to do in situations like this.
Jumping in conclusions before getting the facts,is the least I expect from this President.
261 posted on 09/28/2002 8:25:49 PM PDT by danmar
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To: copycat
two camps, but the pro-usa camp is more about freedom and justice than it is about religion and prejudice
262 posted on 09/28/2002 8:31:58 PM PDT by dwills
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To: ALS
Well, if you are asking me, I am no expert,
but it looks like Youranuom is a transliteration
of the word for Uranium in the language
of some former Soviet Republic.
263 posted on 09/28/2002 8:33:43 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: dwills
two camps, but the pro-usa camp is more about freedom and justice than it is about religion and prejudice

But the other camp is about hatred of Jews and Americans, and anyone else who worships the God of Abraham.

264 posted on 09/28/2002 8:44:51 PM PDT by copycat
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To: RightWhale
Okay, thanks. That makes sense. Still, I'll bet we have a couple of smugglers right now suffering from radiation sickness. And I hope those Turkish cops took some precautions, too, before setting up their display. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that stuff!
265 posted on 09/28/2002 9:01:40 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: humblegunner
I checked out the pictures on the strange website you linked which seemed to show pictures of an apparently injured (or dead) Bin Laden.

I compared the pictures to some online pictures of the real Bin Laden. One of the things that stands out in the online pictures of the real Bin Laden is that his nose points to the right of the peak of his beard under his chin. Looking at his face, Bin Laden's face is very assymetrical, and his nose points to our left (his right) compared to the peaks of his beard under his mouth. The injured man in the website pictures has the same assymetry. It is a strong match on this feature.

The salt and pepper pattern in his beard roughly fits the real Bin Laden as well.

One other feature is less clear. The injured man in the website has a strong lateral crease high on the bridge of his nose. Some of the pictures of the real Bin Laden don't seem to show such a crease, but some might ambiguously. None of the ones of the real Bin Laden I saw had a clear, unambigous crease high on the bridge of the nose like the injured man on the website has.

Does anyone have any good links to real pictures (not joke pictures) of the real Bin Laden from the last few years? Creases can appear for a number of reasons when they weren't there before, including health, exposure to the weather, and a collapse of the small capillaries because of circulation problems. The other features I checked matched the real Bin Laden, but this one seemed probably not to match, but then maybe a better picture of the real Bin Laden might show his nose in more detail.

266 posted on 09/28/2002 9:06:59 PM PDT by The Person
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To: copycat
irrational haters of all kinds belong in the other camp

the golden rule that informs the conscience of rational people is a gift of biology--with or without god's intervention

you do not have the capacity to know how others should worship, but are merely fortunate to live in a place and time where people are encouraged to respect the religious freedom that they would seek for themselves
267 posted on 09/28/2002 9:10:15 PM PDT by dwills
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To: LibWhacker
The uranium wouldn't be super dangerous if handled correctly. But you know that even Marie Curie suffered some ill effects from handling the small amounts of radium in her lab over a period of decades. All the same I wouldn't want a bar of uranium in the car without a good reason. Smuggling wouldn't be a good reason.
268 posted on 09/28/2002 9:10:26 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Diogenesis

Any questions about the enemys willingness to do anything?

269 posted on 09/28/2002 9:13:39 PM PDT by Madcelt
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To: ALS
How come parts are in english and parts aren't??

I call it Euro-speak. Most folks in the scientific and military comunities use this type of labeling. As long as it is simple, everyone concerned can read it easily.

270 posted on 09/28/2002 9:33:55 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Madcelt
Continue posting these pictures on a daily basis. Thank you.

Never Forget 9-11 Let's Roll

This was an act of war ! You are either with us or against us. Choose-

Terrorize terrorists, or prepare to be terrorized, by terrorists. (like we already have been over the past 25 years)


271 posted on 09/28/2002 9:36:40 PM PDT by freepersup
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To: Diogenesis
Does anyone know how big a bomb 33 pounds of uranium will yeild?
272 posted on 09/28/2002 9:38:57 PM PDT by EricT.
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To: 11B3
Are we still, technically, at war with Iraq? I thought there was only a cease-fire in 1991 and NOT a peace treaty.
273 posted on 09/28/2002 9:48:55 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
Do you think this will be big news on the talk shows tommorrow?
274 posted on 09/28/2002 9:53:04 PM PDT by woofie
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To: EricT.
Too Damn Many. trust me FAR TOO many (depending on the Megatonnage desired)
276 posted on 09/28/2002 9:59:11 PM PDT by Madcelt
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To: Squantos; Robert_Paulson2
Any ideas on #9 or the rusty steel "youranium" cannister?
277 posted on 09/28/2002 10:01:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: woofie
It should be, but given the poor editorial judgement shown by major media outlets, I'm beginning to wonder. The news directors can take two tactics: (1) go with the priorities listed in the fax they appear to receive from the DNC or (2) actually use their professional judgement. My guess is that ABC and CBS are more likely to not discuss this matter. If they do mention it, they may downplay it by putting it 3rd or 4th in the line up. Fox will put it highest in the line up. NBC may put it high in the priority of stories and then Russert will try to move to discuss other Senatorial issues. CNN will continue to cover the story and act like they are breaking the news on the "type" of uranium involved. If the self-interest rules the day, CNN will come up with a breaking news story around 8 to 9 AM EST and let it play (in an attempt to lure from NBC/ABC/CBS/Fox talking heads).
278 posted on 09/28/2002 10:02:45 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: freepersup
Can't Forget these guys keep these pictures up as a reminder.

http://www.ashevilletribune.com/breaking_news_pictures.htm

Just type in this address

279 posted on 09/28/2002 10:03:06 PM PDT by Madcelt
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To: bonesmccoy
more HERE

This is datelined: The New Yorker

The Talk of the Town

December 13, 1999, p. 44

Although Iraq remains under a strict United Nations embargo, the embargo does not cover medical supplies. Last year, the Iraqi government ordered half a dozen lithotripters, which are state-of-the-art machines for getting rid of kidney stones. (The word "lithotripter" comes from the Greek for "stone breaker.") A lithotripter uses a shock wave to pulverize these painful objects without surgery. Machines like the ones Iraq bought require a high-precision electronic switch that triggers a powerful burst of electricity. In addition to the lithotripters, Iraq wanted to buy a hundred and twenty extra switches. That is at least a hundred more than the machines would ever need

280 posted on 09/28/2002 10:04:35 PM PDT by anapikoros
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To: 11B3
but as a former Marine officer, I'm afraid that you [Scott Ritter] deserve to be tried for TREASON.

No doubt about it. If it can be proven that Ritter has been paid off to lie to the American public about Iraq's WMD program, he should suffer the suitable penalty for treason -- death.

281 posted on 09/28/2002 10:05:06 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: bonesmccoy
This is from THE MAN BEHIND BIN LADEN New Yorker posted here:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/756739/posts

As a man of science, Zawahiri was interested in the use of biological and chemical warfare. In a memo from April of 1999, he observed that "the destructive power of these weapons is no less than that of nuclear weapons," and proposed that Islamic Jihad conduct research into biological and chemical agents. "Despite their extreme danger, we only became aware of them when the enemy drew our attention to them by repeatedly expressing concern that they can be produced simply," he noted. He pored over medical journals to research the subject, and he met with an Egyptian scientist in Afghanistan, Medhat Mursi al-Sayed, whose Jihad name was Abu Khabab. C.I.A. officials believe that Khabab prepared the explosives for the bomb that hit the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad. Khabab supervised elementary tests of nerve gas; satellite photos purportedly show corpses of dogs scattered about one of the camps near Tora Bora, and Al Qaeda training videos recently acquired by CNN show that poison gas had been tested on dogs. "We knew from hundreds of different sources that Al Qaeda was interested in biological and chemical weapons," says Richard A. Clarke, who was the Clinton Administration's national coördinator for counterterrorism in the National Security Council and is now in charge of cybersecurity for the N.S.C. Clarke told me that in one of the camps human volunteers, wearing protective clothing, were exposed to chemicals in tests similar to ones that the U.S. Army has conducted. During the invasion of Afghanistan, American forces discovered a factory under construction, near Kandahar, that intelligence officials say was to be used for the production of anthrax. A sample of anthrax powder was reportedly found in Zawahiri's house in Afghanistan. According to reports from Israel and Russia, bin Laden paid Chechen mobsters millions of dollars in cash and heroin to obtain radiological "suitcase" bombs left over from the Soviets. He declared in November, 2001, "We have chemical and nuclear weapons," and vowed to use them "if America used them against us."

282 posted on 09/28/2002 10:10:38 PM PDT by woofie
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To: anapikoros
Woww! That's an awesome website. Someone did a great job collecting commentaries and gov't statements!
283 posted on 09/28/2002 10:10:53 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: woofie
Do you think this will be big news on the talk shows tommorrow?

I was just wondering the same thing, and I'll be tuning in to Tony Snow tomorrow to find out (at 7:00AM PST).

284 posted on 09/28/2002 10:11:45 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Travis McGee
I got one or two votes via private email for biotoxin containers... and several suggestions that we are looking at mercury switches used for explosive devices. I lean that way.

Which is what they look like to me... I see what looks like conductive filaments set in the ends which appear to be ceramic... but it could just be the picture.

I think biotox balls are more symmetrical in their shapes, so that aerisolizaton is more controlled by charge shaping in a warhead... but its just a guess... they could use square tubes for all I know.

there is definitely something inside that performs a function in the device and what looks to be leads on the end... and they have a half dozen or more of them in the background.

I am rather confident they are not the new high-tech high-gas mileage spark plug designs from champion....
285 posted on 09/28/2002 10:12:30 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: freepersup

The past guides us in the decisions we make tomorrow....I decide NEVER AGAIN!

286 posted on 09/28/2002 10:13:36 PM PDT by Madcelt
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To: Squantos; Robert_Paulson2
Beats me.
287 posted on 09/28/2002 10:18:19 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: woofie
scary...the anthrax issue is pretty confusing. On one hand you have these stories (like the one you cited) and on the other hand you have this page from FAS.ORG

http://www.fas.org/bwc/news/anthraxreport.htm

This fas.org webpage details the facts surrounding the anthrax attack which our nation sustained nearly one year ago. The dates were interesting reading, as well as the facts surrounding some of the threats.

Originally, based on discussion around Free Republic, I had concluded that the anthrax attack could not have been launched by a fellow American citizen. However, many of the scientific clues substantiate the index of suspicion that a person in the US did the attacking.

It's very interesting reading. FAS seems to suggest that the perpetrator was an American. I'm not so convinced because if the anthrax was US in origin, where did he store the stuff? It's not an innocuous amount of stuff to store. FAS does appear to agree that the source was a government financed source, though perhaps not US.

288 posted on 09/28/2002 10:23:30 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: 11B3
You gota wonder about this Ritter guy and why the big change? Did Sadam(the shoeshine boy) get word to him about some nice video tapes made in that hotel room in downtown Bagdad when Ritter was sooo far from home and in need of comfort and companionship?
289 posted on 09/28/2002 10:32:35 PM PDT by Sparticus
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To: Travis McGee
the largest mercury switch, is similar in shape but not nearly as preciscely formed inside as these tube things seized were. I have nothing but guesses at this point.
290 posted on 09/28/2002 10:32:38 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Robert_Paulson2
What was seized look more like biotoxin holders, hermetrically sealed.

Damn the terrorists.

291 posted on 09/28/2002 10:36:17 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: The Person
collapse of the small capillaries because of circulation problems.

I doubt that guy, whoever he is, has any more circulation problems.


292 posted on 09/28/2002 11:40:47 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: bonesmccoy
Uranium 238 is not the sort that goes off. Uranium 235 is. Weapons grade U means refining U-235 out of the background U-238, which is by far the most common isotope in naturally occurring uranium. The U-235 typically runs 0.5% to 1% of the U content of a uranium ore. It has to be refined to more like 90% of a sample to sustain a chain reaction. U-238 can be used for nuclear fuel in reactors, but it reacts too slowly to be useful for explosions (its half life is on the order of 4 billion years, almost 10 times longer than U-235).

U-238 can be gradually enriched into plutonium in a special "breeder" reactor, absorbing particles emitting by a running reactor (actually, a tiny portion absorbs neutrons and then undergoes beta decay, emitting electrons and turning into plutonium - left running long enough this builds up and can be extracted from the remaining U-238 around it). But in itself it is not useful for bombs.

When the article says "weapons grade uranium", that means a sample of uranium that is around 90% U-235, seperated out of a much larger amount of uranium ore. The seperation process is quite difficult, and is the step the Iraqi's have not managed to solve on a large scale themselves. So U-238 getting to Iraq, while obviously not helpful, doesn't get them a bomb or solve the problem holding them up. Enough U-235 of high enough purity does. Or plutonium.

I hope that helps.

293 posted on 09/28/2002 11:45:33 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Diogenesis
I'm out on Yahoo message boards with this article and kicking ass with it. The RATS/Arabs are throwing down all kinds of excuses. Way to go Alamo girl !!!
294 posted on 09/28/2002 11:45:48 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Mitchell
ping
295 posted on 09/28/2002 11:49:05 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Dog
Everything within about half a mile would be gone. Serious casualties out to 2-3 miles. Not an H-bomb size explosion, but somewhat worse than Hiroshima.
296 posted on 09/28/2002 11:53:55 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Peach
I don't know how sure they are, certainly. But it is not terribly difficult to tell. Not just by looking at it, certainly, but a simple measurement procedure.

U-235 - the component of weapons grade uranium that makes it effective for bombs, by allowing a rapid enough reaction to build up to a chain reaction - is about 10 times as radioactive as U-238. U-235 has a half-life on the order of hundreds of millions of years. U-238 has a half-life on the order of 4 billion years.

So the size of the sample and a measurement of the level of radioactivity combined can tell you roughly how much U-235 there is, compared to U-238. You put in X U-238 and Y U-235, X + Y equals this much material, rate(238) times X plus rate(235) times Y equals this much measured radioactivity, solve your 2 equations for X and Y. Not hard.

297 posted on 09/29/2002 12:00:17 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Diogenesis
sure don't see any connectors. it does look like ampules.
298 posted on 09/29/2002 12:00:50 AM PDT by ALS
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To: RightWhale
Very likely. Refining it is not simple, and not something the Iraqis can do quickly on their own. It would be nice to know more about the actual quality of the material, but I doubt the journalists types covering the story have any real idea what the terms they are slinging about mean. Several are positively saying "weapons grade", not merely "enriched", which means much higher purity of U-235. They are undoubtedly repeating what the Turkish sources have said. But whether those used the term accurately is up in the air at this point.
299 posted on 09/29/2002 12:18:00 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Publius Maximus; Diogenesis
BUMP BTTTWHY IS THIS NOT BREAKING NEWS ON CNN, FOXNEWS, ETC???? And why isn't the President breaking in with an announcement about this incident?

You are so on target here Pub. Max.! Diogenesis, I can't believe those pictures are from London. What on earth have they done to that country????
300 posted on 09/29/2002 12:18:38 AM PDT by Libertina
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