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SMOKING GUN URANIUM-GERMANY WHILE Ritter Stokes Islamic Hate
AP ^ | 9/29/02

Posted on 09/28/2002 2:12:10 PM PDT by Diogenesis

SMOKING GUN LINKS URANIUM to GERMANY WHILE IRAQ's PR Ritter Stokes Islamic Hate.

This is a MUST-SEE.

======== Turkey ===========

In Turkey, captured weapons-grade urainum ~33 pounds.
Detained two men from an east European country, cost ~5 million dollars


========== London =====

Meanwhile in London, Scott Ritter, former American, inflames one hundred thousand.




TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: germany; iraq; islam; london; ritter; ritterisatraitor; ritteriswrong; saddamritter; schroeder; uranium
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To: Nogbad
yup... that's the one... thanks nog...
51 posted on 09/28/2002 2:46:30 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Woodman
Jandarma yetkililerinden edinilen bilgiye göre,

No suprise here.

52 posted on 09/28/2002 2:47:52 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Robert_Paulson2
A freeper said something about Mercury fuses, and I just did a web search... Found this interesting page:

http://isuisse.ifrance.com/emmaf/terhand/4_2.html

Interesting website located in FRANCE (Gee thanks France!)...http://isuisse.ifrance.com/emmaf/indterhand.html...

Mercury Switches

Mercury switches are a switch that uses the fact that mercury metal conducts electricity, as do all metals, but mercury metal is a liquid at room temperatures. A typical mercury switch is a sealed glass tube with two electrodes and a bead of mercury metal. It is sealed because of mercury's nasty habit of giving off brain-damaging vapors. The diagram below may help to explain a mercury switch.

______________
A / \ B
_____wire +______/___________ \
\ ( Hg ) | /
\ _(_Hg_)__|___/
|
|
wire - |
|
|


When the drop of mercury ("Hg" is mercury's atomic symbol) touches both contacts, current flows through the switch. If this particular switch was in its present position, A---B, current would be flowing, since the mercury can touch both contacts in the horizontal position.

If, however, it was in the | position, the drop of mercury would only touch the + contact on the A side. Current, then couldn't flow, since mercury does not reach both contacts when the switch is in the vertical position.

This type of switch is ideal to place by a door. If it were placed in the path of a swinging door in the verticle position, the motion of the door would knock the switch down, if it was held to the ground by a piece if tape. This would tilt the switch into the verticle position, causing the mercury to touch both contacts, allowing current to flow through the mercury, and to the igniter or squib in an explosive device. Imagine opening a door and having it slammed in your face by an explosion.

53 posted on 09/28/2002 2:47:57 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Diogenesis
When something is manufactured in West Germany (which technically no longer exists) why do they print "Made in West Germany" in ENGLISH?
55 posted on 09/28/2002 2:48:05 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: Dog
looks like it says, a seven centimeter blasting cap used for fueling a nuclear device but heck... I dont read turk.

I am so ticked, the "made in germany" print looked like it said "from herr shroedder to my son Sadaam... with love" to me.
56 posted on 09/28/2002 2:49:46 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Dog
Now can someone tell me what it says.... but I have a hunch

It just says that they searched below the seat
and found a secret box with a cylinder
7 cm. in diameter, bullet shaped,
and 700 grams of heavy uranium inside.

57 posted on 09/28/2002 2:51:02 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Diogenesis
Not doubting this story at all, but there are some things about it that strike me as kinda perplexing, very likely as a result of my own incomplete understanding of physics and a whole lot of other things.

Here goes . . . Critical mass for weapons grade uranium is a couple of kilos, I believe. So wouldn't 33 pounds of weapons grade uranium compressed together in a capsule like that blow up in a nuclear explosion, or at least melt right down through that table top, the floor of a car, and anything else it came in contact with?

It also seems to me that somebody in the Turkish police is handling that thing rather nonchalantly; who's the poor sucker who put that sign up next to it and set it on the table.

Finally, just out of curiosity, "youranuom", which appears on the placard, and also is stamped on the capsule far right, obviously means "uranium." But what language is it, anyone? Babelfish says the German word for uranium is also "uranium," just as in English. Turkish? German and Turkish on the same capsule? German weapons grade uranium destined for Turkey, perhaps? What's missing in this picture? :-)

58 posted on 09/28/2002 2:51:54 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Nogbad
Sorry, correction 15 KILO 700 gram heavy uranium inside.
59 posted on 09/28/2002 2:52:10 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Dog
There's a well blown up photo of the uranium at this link: weapons grade uranium seized

but I still can't make out what it says on the right

60 posted on 09/28/2002 2:52:54 PM PDT by knak
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To: bonesmccoy; All
Did you say MERCURY???

Look at this folks....

Red Mercury as a DETONATOR

61 posted on 09/28/2002 2:52:57 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Publius Maximus
It's played on FNC most of the day starting with Tony Snow at noon.
62 posted on 09/28/2002 2:53:09 PM PDT by Lightnin
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To: Diogenesis
Will Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, et al. change their tunes now????
64 posted on 09/28/2002 2:56:05 PM PDT by buffyt
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To: buffyt
From my link.....it seems Red Mercury was used in Soviet era as a detonator...

Red mercury is definitely used in the production of nuclear weapons with Soviet technology. Red mercury is of great interest to third world countries that want to make nuclear bombs, because the technology is different and cheaper than that used in the west. There is information from government sources in Bulgaria and Georgia that a type of red mercury is used in the nuclear weapons production process. Red mercury is used as a detonator, an ignition material, to make the bomb itself explode. The fact is that a very large black market exists for red mercury and there are many buyers prepared to pay in the range of millions."

Further confirmation comes from the USA, Italy, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and the IAEA. In early February the IAEA stated that "red mercury can be used as a detonator in nuclear weapons."

65 posted on 09/28/2002 2:58:55 PM PDT by Dog
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To: humblegunner
Is this real?

Skrew Islam.

REALLY STRANGE!!!!
Hey, you folks gotta check this out. There's a pale picture, but if you click on it, it's Arab, and it shows somebody dead. Looks like a bullet hole in his head. Who is it?

66 posted on 09/28/2002 2:58:57 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Dog
just did search at google under "red mercury, uranium"... got this link= http://www.bellona.no/en/international/russia/nuke-weapons/nonproliferation/8829.html

The search turns up a page about a uranium seizure... red mercury is conjuctured to be used in fuses for the Suitcase Nukes that the Russian KGB made!

quoting:Thomas Nilsen 1997-09-21 12:00

3.8 kilograms stolen uranium seized in Caucasus

Russian police seized 3.8 kilograms of stolen uranium in the home of a man in the North Caucasus town of Ivanov on Thursday. The uranium has been traced to originate at the nuclear research center of Sarov (Arzamas-16).

The police seized the stolen uranium after they detained a gang suspected of trying to sell the highly radioactive substance, according to Interfax news agency. Several times the gang had tried to offer the uranium to prospective buyers in Moscow, the Baltic states and elsewhere. The uranium-238 was kept in a metal cylinder inside a lead isolator. Uranium-238 can be used to produce nuclear bombs by scientists with the bomb-developing know-how.

The police investigators also seized two jars containing highly toxic red mercury-oxide weighing about 2 kilograms. Red mercury is also belived to be a substance for developing small nuclear devices, like those suitcase-sized nuclear bombs former Russian security advisor Alexandr Lebed a week ago claimed that Moscow had lost the track of.

The police says to Interfax that the uranium comes from the federal nuclear research center in Sarov (former Arzamas-16), from where a container went missing in 1994. On september 16th, employees and scientists of the center startet protest actions because of the state's salary-debt to the center. They claimed that the center is in a catastrophic position and its safety jeopardized, because of poor financing.

67 posted on 09/28/2002 2:59:33 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Nogbad; Dog; Woodman; Robert_Paulson2
Sorry correction again:

Uranium weighing 15 Kilos 700 grams inside (the cylinder).

My Turkish isn't that great, and I need a dictionary, which slows me down.
My wife can do a better translation when she gets home (an hour from now).

68 posted on 09/28/2002 2:59:37 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Diogenesis
Question: WHO paid for the obviously mass-produced protest signs?

Question: WHO paid for Ritter's trip and expenses?

69 posted on 09/28/2002 3:02:15 PM PDT by lsee
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To: bonesmccoy
If the photo of the 2 modules with the uranium are found to be mercury......then someone had themselves a complete nuke ready to go boom....
70 posted on 09/28/2002 3:02:31 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Diogenesis
Made in W Germany, is that the container or the contents? Also is this weapons grade or something else?
71 posted on 09/28/2002 3:05:17 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: buffyt
nah... they have to keep their constituents in mind... if they want to stay in power, they simply MUST insist on being the "soft on terrorists" party...

Lovely.

simply beautiful...

makes me want to sing a song!

If I could teach the world to sing,
in perfect harmony
I'd like to buy the world a NUKE
and make them my dhimmi's

It's the ree-eal thing...
that's what nukes are today
it's the ree-eal thing....
what our world wants today
it's the ree-al thing
is islam armed with nukes...

GASP! Uncontrollable wretching...

72 posted on 09/28/2002 3:05:40 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Peach
German writing on the casing

A side note

The Made In [Country] stamp on a product seems to always be in English and in Roman letters regardless what the country might be. The rest might be in the language and alphabet of the country of origin.

73 posted on 09/28/2002 3:06:24 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Diogenesis
Scott Ritter is a trader and will soon be running for Political Office. What is this country coming to?
74 posted on 09/28/2002 3:08:00 PM PDT by hulltq1
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To: lsee
Question: WHO paid for the obviously mass-produced protest signs?

Question: WHO paid for Ritter's trip and expenses?

They're written in English. Nuf said. Our left wing politicians and supporters, no doubt.

75 posted on 09/28/2002 3:08:53 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: 11B3; All
OK, I really need to know what happened to Ritter, and I'm as serious as a heart attack. Look, I know about the money, the BS film, etc., but selling out an entire country for this? He really can't believe the excrement he spews from his own mouth, can he? This guy REALLY pisses me off to no end.

This guy should be tried for treason, sedition, being an a$$hole, whatever, or just make him live in Iraq. At the risk of sounding like I need a whole bunch of tinfoil, there HAS GOT to be MORE to his 180 than we are seeing. Or... am I simply giving too much credit to the present configuration of personal DNA?

Idiots like Babs have always been that way, but what really happened to this guy?
76 posted on 09/28/2002 3:11:15 PM PDT by Huggy
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To: Robert_Paulson2


Semper Fi
77 posted on 09/28/2002 3:12:32 PM PDT by river rat
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To: Diogenesis

78 posted on 09/28/2002 3:13:14 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Sub-Driver
Weapons grade....
79 posted on 09/28/2002 3:13:15 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
I think it say "cynide", but I'm not sure.
80 posted on 09/28/2002 3:13:15 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: Nogbad
Any engineers care to conjecture about the 15.7 kg mass?

This is approximately 34.5 lbs.

Just found another interesting Google hit

http://www.pointofhonor.com/articles/suitcase.htm

QUOTING the page:

A man portable nuclear weapon would be the size of an average piece of luggage weighing between seventy and one hundred fifty pounds. Much of that weight is probably some sort of radiation shielding to prevent detection and to protect the people deploying the weapon. The weapon would have some sort of integrated explosive. Most likely, the traditional safety devices will not be present due to weight considerations. The fissile material is probably Plutonium in order to provide a higher yield from a smaller physical warhead. There would have to be an arming mechanism, perhaps a key or a series of buttons.

Such a device might have a yield in the .2 to .5 kiloton range (although, recent reports suggest a 10 kiloton). Not enough to bust a city, but certainly adequate for strategic targets like listening posts, regional air traffic control centers, major power plants, hydro-electric dams, large highway interchanges or strategic locks and dams.

Rumors suggest such weapons were designed, manufactured and perhaps deployed. The likely American sites where these weapons are hidden appear to be Montana, Brainerd, Minnesota and upstate New York. The most persistent rumors imply the KGB in the mid to late seventies ordered the production of at least 132 weapons, and may have sanctioned the production of as many as 300 weapons. Official statements acknowledging the existence of such weapons surface from time to time, they are generally followed by murkier denials from the same people.

The Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Bezopasnosti — Committee for State Security – KGB was a combination paramilitary force and the Russian version of the Central Intelligence Agency. The KGB is not remembered as a fraternal organization seeing to the needs of widows and orphans. The KGB was a vicious service that repressed its own civilian population and conducted exotic assassinations against defectors and western targets.

Is it conceivable that the procurement of nuclear weapons could take place outside the force structure of the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces? Suppose the rumors are true. The KGB Chairman in the late seventies was a man named Iurii I. Andropov. He later became the Communist Party Secretary and presided over the shoot down of Korean Airlines Flight 007 and the aggressive deployment of mobile missiles throughout Eastern Europe. It seems credible that Andropov’s KGB was capable of ordering the development of such weapons.

The weapons were most likely designed and developed at Arzamas-16. Arzamas-16 was a closed city from 1946 to 1996. This means it literally disappeared from Russian maps and its location was a state secret. It is still the premier Russian nuclear design lab and is the sister city to Los Alamos. For example, Andre Sakarov—the father of the hydrogen bomb worked at Arzamas-16.

The suitcase bomb is not the type of weapon that can be launched from a cannon, mounted on a missile or dropped from a bomber. It is not the kind of weapon conventional military forces would sponsor. It is a weapon fairly useless in a storage barracks somewhere in the Siberian wilderness, which leads us to the next uncomfortable conclusion: For a portable nuclear weapon to be useful, it would need to be close to its target. The targets were not inside the Soviet Union, but in Japan, South Korea, West Germany, France, England, Israel, Iran and America.

A better moniker would be the clandestine nuclear weapon. The delivery system is maybe two people and Chevy Nova. Seem improbable? Then ask yourself, how difficult would it be to move a small nuclear weapon across the Canadian or Mexican borders? If a weapon of this nature could easily moved across an open international border, it would effectively short circuit the billions invested in surveillance and detection systems.

81 posted on 09/28/2002 3:14:01 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Diogenesis
w. germany? loox like they were stolen many years ago
82 posted on 09/28/2002 3:14:05 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: Diogenesis
Tom Daschle, you missed this uranium because your head's up Uranus.

Ritter shoots off his mouth for the enemy.

It's time a firing squad shot it off for him.

83 posted on 09/28/2002 3:14:06 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: Huggy
I know about the money,

That could be it. A promise of more. Peacenick Liberals will sell their country for a free handout in a split second, no questions asked!

84 posted on 09/28/2002 3:14:35 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: RightWhale
Ironic, isn't it? Here we have a container of weapons grade Uranium - already in the form required for detonating a nuke - which was reportedly the ONLY thing that Saddam was missing to put the puzzle together. Of course, we assume that it had our name on it. But when you consider the country of manufacture as well as who Saddam hates most, I'd bet money that the target for this device would have been Israel. Not US. Likewise, I'll bet that this would not have been his first complete weapon.

Remember back on Saddam's birthday, when his generals told him of something that they had finally produced for him on his birthday? And that it wouldn't be the last one they built? Sound about right? We all laughed about what this mystery object might be back then here on FR, but we may have been rather premature.

85 posted on 09/28/2002 3:15:14 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: concerned about politics
Related question: Who provided the exact same signs to the great unwashed crowd in D.C. today? Hummmmm?
86 posted on 09/28/2002 3:15:20 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Diogenesis
I see Palestinian flags but no british ones. I also see a lot of black and white Palestinian head dresses. Seems that Britain has a big problem in their front yards. The protestors loyalties do not lie with their home country. Also from the large supply of pre-printed placards that the majority carry it seems that they are being organised by an external source. Gee, I wonder who paid for the "dont attack Iraq ralley"?
87 posted on 09/28/2002 3:15:53 PM PDT by American in Israel
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To: concerned about politics
Just looked.....WTH?
88 posted on 09/28/2002 3:16:41 PM PDT by thescourged1
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To: hellinahandcart
That is because all the participants are profoundly disturbed.
89 posted on 09/28/2002 3:18:03 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: InvisibleChurch
The only thing we know, is that the lead container is old and from germany. Doesn't really say anything about the origin of the contents.

Just swung my satellite dish over to catch the turkish news in english, they are not reporting anything new.
90 posted on 09/28/2002 3:18:28 PM PDT by eabinga
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To: bonesmccoy
I am glad they intercepted this...

but honestly, the good NEWS isn't making my stomach feel any better...

This is what they caught.
How much has "slipped through" before?

Dems f'ing with their petty labor disputes about job security for the employees of the new homeland security act, are pretty damned stupid, and I am sure, THIS kind of stuff HAD to be included in their security "briefings".

The apparent facts are... this stuff has been shipped before. It's probably already here or riyhad, kuwait, jerusalem, ankara, cypress, london, berlin or paris. One or all. It will be a miracle if we DON'T take some hits.

The nuts are into assymetrical war, so they might do some stuff that makes 9/11 look like a sunday school picnic... to put it mildly.

Not to be paranoid, per se, just realistic.
We may stop a good amount of pot at the border with mexico... but how much gets through??? Would the arabfascists work harder to get their "toys" across our borders, than mexican coyote types?

I am not encouraged.
With friends like daschle, why should we be?
91 posted on 09/28/2002 3:18:30 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: bonesmccoy
Anyone......If this was to be a nuke.....how big an area would this take out if 33 pounds of unranium went BANG???
92 posted on 09/28/2002 3:19:04 PM PDT by Dog
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To: buffyt
Will Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, et al. change their tunes now????

No, but I e-mailed them anyway. Also e-mailed a few lib friends up north.

93 posted on 09/28/2002 3:19:44 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Thank you.

Here is another update.

===== International Atomic Energy Agency gas centrifuge diagram

This aluminum tubing, which Ritter dismisses, was sent from China thru Jordan to Iraq, and may have been used to enrich uranium


94 posted on 09/28/2002 3:20:23 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
Strictly out of curiousity, why doesn't it say "gemacht in Deutschland" instead of "made in Germany?"

Or is English the industry standard as it is in aviation?

95 posted on 09/28/2002 3:21:04 PM PDT by piasa
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To: seeker41
I think it say "cynide", but I'm not sure.

No there is no mention of cyanide in this article.
Just basically the facts we read on AP.

96 posted on 09/28/2002 3:21:43 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: RightWhale
Thanks for info. How sure are the authorities it's weapons grade uranium? Someone on this thread or another thread said it typically takes a few days to determine whether it's weapons or other grade. Anyone know?
97 posted on 09/28/2002 3:22:50 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Robert_Paulson2
It may be a blessing that the Western Ports have been sealed and work stopped. This will give time to the USCG and Customs people to improve harbor security.
98 posted on 09/28/2002 3:22:52 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: WVNan
Related question: Who provided the exact same signs to the great unwashed crowd in D.C. today? Hummmmm?

So it's obvious the left wing has taken the side of Americas enemy? Rallying with Muslims, and lashing out at America. We need pictures of the DC protesters. Got any?
Hey Dashole, are you listening?

99 posted on 09/28/2002 3:23:07 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Robert_Paulson2; Dog
If you can wait until my wife gets home (half an hour)
she can do a much better translation.

(There are a lot of technical terms in the article)

However, with my basic Turkish, I don't see anything in the article
that wasn't already reported in AP.

100 posted on 09/28/2002 3:24:24 PM PDT by Nogbad
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