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A WAR AGAINST WHAT?
New York Post ^ | 10/01/02 | DANIEL PIPES

Posted on 10/01/2002 1:44:28 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:09:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

MILITANT Islam keeps on killing, but politicians and journalists still avert their eyes.

There have also been many more non-lethal assaults on churches and church services, the most recent this past Sunday.

There is no doubt about the motives of the perpetrators: Militant Islamic groups brazenly speak their minds, declaring their goal is "to kill Christians" and afterwards bragging of having "killed the nonbelievers."


(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; islam; jihad; religionofpeace; waronterror; wtc

1 posted on 10/01/2002 1:44:28 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Pipes strikes again! His new book is definitely worth reading----"Militant Islam Reaches America." He calls it right here:

It is not a war on terrorism, nor a war on Islam. It is a war on a terroristic version of Islam.

Separating the terroristic version from the rest could prove difficult though...

2 posted on 10/01/2002 1:55:13 AM PDT by SeenTheLight
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To: SeenTheLight
Militant Islam Reaches America - saw that the other day ... I might pick that up in a week or so ...

check this one out ...



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1929125321/qid%3D1033462727/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-3533700-0693663
3 posted on 10/01/2002 2:00:57 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: SeenTheLight; All
Pipes is trying his best to be politically correct when he describes it as a "War on a Terroristic Version of Islam", and that just goes to show how very little he truly knows.

People need to understand that there is no such thing as a "TERRORISTIC VERSION OF ISLAM"

If you have not done it yet then you need to read the Quran and then you will understand. ISLAM is Arabic does not mean "peace", it means "submission" (submission to the will of Allah). The Quran is believed by all Muslims to the be the actual word of Allah (God) and therefore you will find that the dangerous Muslims are the religious ones. You will also find that the majority of "moderate" Muslims (to be read as "non-practicing") actually admire and respect their militant "brothers" for being more religious than they are.

What you have is basically practicing Muslims and those who don't practice their religion and that is the major difference really.

4 posted on 10/01/2002 2:18:08 AM PDT by expatguy
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To: rdb3; Davea; mhking; MeeknMing; dennisw; Alouette; Lent; struwwelpeter; Pelham; KansasGirl; ...
ping ... sorry if not interested ... have a blessed Tuesday all!!! ...
5 posted on 10/01/2002 3:07:07 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: kattracks
"First the Saturday people [the Jews] then the Sunday people [the Christians]."

Why is it that the Hindus are the only ones with the cojones to fight back?

6 posted on 10/01/2002 3:33:02 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
Why is it that the Hindus are the only ones with the cojones to fight back?

This was taken in NYC on Sunday, at a street book fair near Rockefeller Center:

We let them disseminate their propaganda here, in the city where 9/11 killed nearly 3000 of our countrymen, though Christians doing this would be attacked, jailed, beaten, and/or killed in any Islamic city you care to name.

(Yes, that's me, with a really annoyed look on my face. No one answered my rhetorical question, "Where's the Christian bookstore in downtown Mecca?")

7 posted on 10/01/2002 3:38:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster
Good Pic & Bless you, FreedomPoster...you are "the Man". I too wonder why the West refuses to ID these people. I hope & believe the change in perception of this enemy is coming....and none too soon. Good ? about Freedom in Mecca!
8 posted on 10/01/2002 3:52:16 AM PDT by iopscusa
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To: RobFromGa; AntiJen; Guillermo; viligantcitizen; Phoenix44; "Be not afraid!"; dansangel; .45MAN; ...
Pinging my GA friends to #7 above.
9 posted on 10/01/2002 4:17:18 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster
Where's the Christian bookstore in downtown Mecca?

It's right on St. Matthew Square, down the block from the yeshiva and right next door to the Buddhist temple.

St. Matthew Square has been renamed to Mohammed's Camel Alley, the yeshiva has been turned into a madrassa, and the Buddhist temple is a McDonald's.

10 posted on 10/01/2002 4:28:24 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: FreedomPoster; .45MAN
God Bless You FreedomPoster! For a really good rise in Blood Pressure, check out the action:

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11 posted on 10/01/2002 4:29:09 AM PDT by dansangel
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Ping!

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12 posted on 10/01/2002 5:21:55 AM PDT by P7M13
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To: FreedomPoster
Great pic, FreedomPoster. If I ever saw this crap in person, my face would be sporting the same annoyed look!
13 posted on 10/01/2002 8:17:32 AM PDT by TonyRo76
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To: FreedomPoster
"Where's the Christian bookstore in downtown Mecca?"

It'll be a snowy day in HELL MECCA (well same thing actually) before there is a Christian bookstore there!

14 posted on 10/01/2002 9:18:06 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy
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To: FreedomPoster
and you would think New York City would be the LAST place to want this stuff spread around ... after 9/11/2001 ...
15 posted on 10/01/2002 11:01:36 AM PDT by Bobby777
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16 posted on 10/01/2002 11:02:34 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: expatguy
A good Moslem is a bad Moslem

That is to say a good Moslem who practices his religion, and follows its hate instruction is actually, by definition, a terrorist and a bad Moslem. Only Moslem people who do not practice their religion, go to mosques, or follow its venomous teaching is an acceptable human being!

17 posted on 10/01/2002 11:10:21 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: kattracks
"...an enemy who cannot be named cannot be defeated."

Worth a bump.

18 posted on 10/01/2002 11:17:30 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: philosofy123; All
Sorry, but I believe Daniel Pipes to be mistaken and I told him so.

It disturbs me deeply that many so called Muslim experts themselves are governed by what is politically correct instead of the truth.

Dear Mr. Pipes:

Im writing to you over serious concerns that I have where I believe that you might have inadvertantly mislead people to believe that what you describe as "militant Islam" is in fact some rare, violent strain of Islam when in fact this is not true.

You have stated:

"...The enemy is militant Islam, and the policy goal should be to weaken militant Islam and strengthen moderate Islam...[sic]"

This is not true and the truth concerning Islam needs to be told and not sacrificed on the altar of political correctness, and that is that the enemy itself is in fact Islam. There is in reality no difference between what you describe as "moderate" and "militant" Islam.

What you describe as "militant" and "moderate" versions of Islam is in fact misleading. These "militant Muslims" as you describe them are in the real and true Muslims. You are mistaken if you believe that there exists a peaceful, tolerant or moderate version of Islam. No such thing exists in Islam. Of course there are people who call themselves Muslims who are peaceful, tolerant and moderate, but this has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. These people are tolerant and peaceful to the same extent that they are not Muslims and do not live by the teachings of the Quran. To make matters worse, these (non practicing Muslims) will be the first ones to tell you this.

[snipped]

"... what the West is facing in confronting Islam as it truly is, a theocratic form of government which presents a greater threat to democracy and freedom than communism ever did.

[snipped]

I look forward to your reply.

Kind Regards,

19 posted on 10/01/2002 11:30:04 AM PDT by expatguy
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To: Bobby777
Ohhhhmmmmmm.....

Islam is a peaceful and loving religion....

Ohhhmmmmmmmmmm.......

20 posted on 10/01/2002 1:00:39 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Bobby777; Cyrano; Tennessee_Bob; Crowcreek; Gun142; Son of Rooster; dorben; smoking camels; ...
thanks for the ping btw - sorry if there are any duplicate pings here.
21 posted on 10/01/2002 1:02:10 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy; All
From what I understand, Christians are not even allowed to travel in many parts of Saudi Arabia.
22 posted on 10/01/2002 1:02:57 PM PDT by expatguy
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To: Terriergal
LOL bump ...
23 posted on 10/01/2002 1:29:04 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
:-)

Still reading Caner's "Unveiling Islam." (I'm slow - I only get to read at night and it's hard to get the kids in bed before I'm ready to collapse myself!) No doubt in my mind the religion is evil... Those that are leading the masses and deceiving them have my greatest indignation, but each one of accountable age is responsible for being deceived, in the end.

It's a very good introduction to Islam and its main doctrines, its factions, and history.
24 posted on 10/02/2002 6:33:27 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal; All
It whitewashes Islam
25 posted on 10/03/2002 6:18:04 AM PDT by expatguy
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