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Ex-Senator (Lautenberg) to Replace Torricelli
AP via Yahoo ^ | 10/01/02 | JOHN P. McALPIN

Posted on 10/01/2002 6:03:54 PM PDT by eddie willers

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1 posted on 10/01/2002 6:03:54 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Howlin
Here's the AP release.
2 posted on 10/01/2002 6:05:46 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers
If Lautenberg doesn't do as well in the polls as the DNC would like.......can they replace him too before the election?
3 posted on 10/01/2002 6:07:07 PM PDT by umgud
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To: eddie willers; Liz; Mudboy Slim
...a desperate grasp at getting around the law - bump...
4 posted on 10/01/2002 6:07:58 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: eddie willers
"In a substantial number of those cases, the courts have ruled on the side of being inclusive," said Richard Perr, an election law professor at Rutgers University Law School.
So why do we even have rules?
5 posted on 10/01/2002 6:10:39 PM PDT by Asclepius
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To: eddie willers
Imagine if Toricelli was 13 points ahead rather than 13 points behind in the polls. Of course, he wouldn't be dropping out. Essentially, the Supreme Courts of NJ and US are being asked to change an election process, void a primary and an endorsement for the purposes of finding a more winnable candidate. If they agree to this, the election process is doomed.
6 posted on 10/01/2002 6:11:01 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Libloather
So now the Republicans can replace Forrestor with Tom Kean, or perhaps Christine Whitman? This is BS.
7 posted on 10/01/2002 6:11:08 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: umgud
LOL!

Honestly, I think the best that they can hope for is for the Republicans to take it to the US Supreme Court to be knocked down so they can squeeze a little PR about right-wing court and disenfranchising ad nauseum.

8 posted on 10/01/2002 6:11:22 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Asclepius
Good Point...

I think I'll go steal a Six-Pack.....
9 posted on 10/01/2002 6:11:42 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: shrinkermd
It's more like America is doomed because DemonCraps have destroyed the rule of law at every level, including in the selection of our government.
10 posted on 10/01/2002 6:12:05 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: eddie willers
The headline is, in itself, an attempt to portray Tori's replacement as a done deal.

Ain't so, and I hope the Republicans have the fortitude to take it all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary.

Dashole is blowing smoke. The people of New Jersey DO have a choice. Tori is on the ballot and should not be removed. The 51 day rule was put in place just to prevent this kind of crap.

11 posted on 10/01/2002 6:12:26 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: eddie willers
This is a little off the midline of the topic, but it still tickles me a little - wonder how Jumpin' Jim Jeffords is feeling right about now? He sold out cheap and got paid in counterfeit coins to boot, and now he may not even have anything to sell anymore. Anyone want to bet the Dems will reward him with a run at Vermont Governor as a Dem? A run at dog catcher? An invite to the Lincoln bedroom when Hellary gets in?
12 posted on 10/01/2002 6:12:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: eddie willers
The New Fonkin' Jersey Supreme Court will be as reliable a nanny to the Democrats as the Flori-DUH Supreme Court was in 2000.

Wadaya bet they not only rule that Lautenberg can run, but that he would also win and therefore there is no need for an election --- just swear him in.

13 posted on 10/01/2002 6:13:12 PM PDT by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: Ronin
The headline is, in itself, an attempt to portray Tori's replacement as a done deal.

Yeah....that pissed me off too.

14 posted on 10/01/2002 6:13:20 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Asclepius
So why do we even have rules?

To keep the republicans from winning.

15 posted on 10/01/2002 6:15:01 PM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: eddie willers
...and a law banning gun ownership by those convicted of domestic violence.

Poster boy for the bullet box after the ballot box has failed. I have little faith in the NJSC since two are big Torch/dem supporters.

16 posted on 10/01/2002 6:15:09 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: eddie willers
Eddie, they are doing this right in front of our very eyes, in plain daylight.
17 posted on 10/01/2002 6:15:17 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: eddie willers
Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and before long enough people start to believe it.
18 posted on 10/01/2002 6:16:31 PM PDT by shadeaud
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To: Libloather
Out in the Pine Barrens he's known as "Lousenberg" !
19 posted on 10/01/2002 6:16:48 PM PDT by Jan Hus
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To: umgud
If Lautenberg doesn't do as well in the polls as the DNC would like.......can they replace him too before the election?

Yes. Under the new 3 strikes rule.
Also, if they don't like a Republican candidate, they can ask for one who's scarier.
20 posted on 10/01/2002 6:17:18 PM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: eddie willers
Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said that by objecting to Torricelli's request, Republicans were "denying the people of New Jersey a choice" in the election.

Yeah, but YOU are trying deny the military a vote. Ah well, what you the people of New Jersey care, they're just out in the middle of nowhere, putting their lives on the line to keep the good folks at home safe, trusting that they are fighting for democracy. What do they matter? If the people of New Jersey allow this, they are lower than pond scum.

21 posted on 10/01/2002 6:17:51 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Howlin
These are the kinds of things that revolutions are about.
22 posted on 10/01/2002 6:18:00 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: eddie willers
They have just picked a candidate for U.S. Senate BEHIND CLOSED DOORS and without the will of the people of the State of New Jersey.
23 posted on 10/01/2002 6:18:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: marajade
Is anyone watching FoxNews right now? McGreedy is on lobbying for Lousenberg.
24 posted on 10/01/2002 6:18:33 PM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
3 strike rule........LOL.
25 posted on 10/01/2002 6:18:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: eddie willers
Shouldn't the Dems have to replace Toricelli with whoever garnered the second-most votes in the primary??????
26 posted on 10/01/2002 6:18:49 PM PDT by BizzeeMom
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To: Unknown Freeper
They're acting like they're not even trying to circumvent the law!
27 posted on 10/01/2002 6:19:06 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
He's up there accepting the nomination... A nomination he didn't win by election... Is that democracy?
28 posted on 10/01/2002 6:19:36 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: eddie willers
Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said that by objecting to Torricelli's request, Republicans were "denying the people of New Jersey a choice" in the election.

Forrester said in an interview yesterday that he is NOT the only candidate on the ballot; they're just not Democrats.

I think it's funny that none of the men with a future would run. They had to fall back on a "hasbeen."

29 posted on 10/01/2002 6:19:47 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: Exit148; Black Agnes; Coleus; stanz; dbwz; Exit 109
Help NJ FReepers! How do you think a race between Forrester and 78-year-old (!) Lautenberg would play out in NJ? Thanks.

GO DOUG FORRESTER!

DAMN, I sure wish Bret Schundler had won that governor's race!!! :-(

30 posted on 10/01/2002 6:20:14 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: marajade
No, it is not.

Hell, he's campaigining.

I bet he's ahead in the polls already......LOL.

31 posted on 10/01/2002 6:20:31 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Eddie, they are doing this right in front of our very eyes, in plain daylight.

So did their mentor, the bent one. And the down side for him was?....

The northeast is a really sick place.

32 posted on 10/01/2002 6:20:47 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Howlin
Eddie, they are doing this right in front of our very eyes, in plain daylight.

To the politically aware they are, but the hoi polloi are not paying attention and will only see "that the Republicans are whining to the Supreme Court again."

We may lose the PR war...so we DAMN well better win the Senate!

33 posted on 10/01/2002 6:21:01 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Howlin
McGreedy is saying Lousenberg is the person New Jersey wants to be the Senator. Lousenberg is talking now. Does Forrester get any equal time here? Anyone? Bueller?
34 posted on 10/01/2002 6:21:04 PM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: MileHi
I have little faith in the NJSC since two are big Torch/dem supporters.

Another thread is reporting that members of NJSC have supported the Torch finacially. If these Judges dont recuse themselves for that, the dems will probably pull this off at the state level.

36 posted on 10/01/2002 6:21:09 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: marajade
He's sounds retarded. I think they'll need to run his campaign like they ran Hillary's. Out of public view and only have spokesmen speak on his behalf.
37 posted on 10/01/2002 6:21:14 PM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: eddie willers
Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said that by objecting to Torricelli's request, Republicans were "denying the people of New Jersey a choice" in the election.

New Jersey and Floriduh. Perfect together.

38 posted on 10/01/2002 6:21:46 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: cardinal4
My opponent????? He's not on the ballot YET.
39 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:01 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: eddie willers
Yeah....that pissed me off too.

There's a "no violence" admonition on the posting page at this forum, so I'm hoping I'm not bending the rules by mentioning that sometimes I think it would be fun to beat Tom Daschle about the head and shoulders for a few minutes.

40 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:03 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: nutmeg
Throw New Jersey the hell out of the union.
41 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:06 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Howlin
This is an absolute disgrace, these criminals think they can hold a press conference before the courts have heard the first defense of their violating the election laws of New Jersey.

I'm really speechless, This is a direct threat to our constitution and the laws these bastards swore to uphold.

42 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:07 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: Howlin
They're acting like they're not even trying to circumvent the law!

It is so brazen it is breathtaking!

The media will not act as if this is odd, unusual or ILLEGAL.

I'm listening to him refer to "my opponent"!

This cannot stand!

43 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:13 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Guy Angelito
Is his mic cutting out or does he not know how to speak?
44 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:14 PM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: Asclepius
Why do the Democrats have primaries? They don't vote right when they can figure out HOW to vote!
45 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:17 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: for-q-clinton
The man is 78. He just stated he is now arguing against his opponent... Even before the court orders it such.... Unbelievable... What arrogance...
46 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:21 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: BizzeeMom
"Shouldn't the Dems have to replace Toricelli with whoever garnered the second-most votes in the primary??????"

Now..now. Don't go dragging that "will of the people" thing into this.

47 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:24 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: eddie willers
I'm listening to Frank Lautenberg announce his candidancy right now and he sounds like he is on drugs. What's going on?????
48 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:26 PM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: eddie willers
The article fails to point out that the 51 day rule would be rendered a dead letter. There would be no factual situation to which it applied. It is akin to the court taking white out and affixing it to this statute. This cannot be done under the present facts. I can't imagine it being done. It would be an embarrassment to do it. They are no legal mechanics available to do it, not even ersatz ones that would serve as a fig leaf. The NJSC knows it cannot reder the 51 day rule unconstitutional under the NJ Constitution after SCOTUS educated us all on that.

As usual, when matters get complex, the media sucks.

49 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:26 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Howlin
Well, if he's already ahead...the repubs need a new candidate to make it more *competitive*.
50 posted on 10/01/2002 6:22:41 PM PDT by mystery-ak
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