Jim McDermott and David Bonior have "MISLED" America about their Vietnam service.

Detroit Free Press, Congress Merge Online | xgman

[Eva]

You are wrong. There is a big difference between being a Viet Nam Era Vet and being a Viet Nam Vet. It is very misleading to leave out the word, Era.

[farmfriend]

I think they can technically be called Vietnam-era veterans, which is a far cry from a Vietnam vet.

Yes, big difference between serving during Vietnam and serving in Vietnam.

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[jackliberty]

Why has nobody asked which side they fought for?

[clamper1797]

Or ...

You could have had a sense of pride for putting your life on the line for your country. I know it's not your fault that you did not go to Vietnam but don't consider yourself "lucky" that you did not see combat. I consider myself "lucky" that I did.

Vietnam 72-73

[VOA]

Sounds like McDermott and Bonior at least deserve honorable (?) mention in the next edition
of this book...at least for being "artful dodgers" with the truth...

Stolen Valor : How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of Its Heroes and Its History
by B. G. Burkett
Verity Press; ISBN: 096670360X; 1 edition (September 1, 1998)

[BluH2o]

I am very careful to always refer to my service as a Vietnam - Era veteran.

Likewise ... served in the USMC 1964-'67. Barely out of Marine boot camp when the Gulf of Tonkin incident occurred in August of '64 ... the following March the first Marines to arrive in Vietnam, as a large scale unit, made an amphibious landing at Da Nang. I, on the other hand, was making an amphibious landing (as part of a Battalion Landing Team attached to the 6th Fleet in the Med) on Corsica. When I got back from my 6 month deployment to the Med I had orders for WESTPAC (south east Asia) ... however, they were changed at the last moment and I was re-assigned to another unit ramping up for a Med deployment. After returning from that cruise I had less than a year left in service ... in other words to short for 'Nam.

[river rat]

If they were NOT awarded this Ribbon...they are NOT Vietnam Vets.
They would be Vietnam Era Vets

Please note - The California Campaign is NOT recognized.

Vietnam Service Medal

Established by order of the President on 01 Oct 1965, for service in Vietnam and contiguous waters or airspace after 03 Jul 1965 and through 28 Mar 1973. Service in direct support of Vietnam from Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia is also eligible.

One bronze service star may be worn for each campaign; one silver service star in lieu of five bronze:

Advisory -- 15 Mar 1962-07 Mar 1965
Defense -- 08 Mar 1965-24 Dec 1965
Counteroffensive -- 25 Dec 1965-30 Jun 1966
Counteroffensive, Phase II -- 01 Jul 1966-31 May 1967
Counteroffensive, Phase III -- 01 Jun 1967-29 Jan 1968
Tet Counterofensive -- 30 Jan 1968-01 Apr 1968
Counteroffensive, Phase IV -- 02 Apr 1968-30 Jun 1968
Counteroffensive, Phase V -- 01 Jul 1968-01 Nov 1968
Counteroffensive, Phase VI -- 02 Nov 1968-22 Feb 1969
Tet 69 Counteroffensive -- 23 Feb 1969-08 Jun 1969
Summer-Fall 1969 -- 09 Jun 1969-31 Oct 1969
Winter-Spring 1970 -- 01 Nov 69-30 Apr 1970
Sanctuary Counteroffensive -- 01 May 1970-30 Jun 1970
Counteroffensive, Phase VII -- 01 Jul 1970-30 Jun 1971
Consolidation I -- 01 Jul 1971-30 Nov 1971
Consolidation II -- 01 Dec 1971-29 Mar 1972
Cease-Fire -- 30 Mar 1972-28 Jan 1973

Semper Fi

[XGMan]

We wonder why the "Honorable" Congressman never corrected this AP lie (and many others published) about his Vietnam service.

Associated Press (Originally published October 23, 2001)

WASHINGTON -- As a Navy psychiatrist during the Vietnam War, Rep. Jim McDermott determined whether young men were fit to fight. The job left him with a distaste for war and an appetite for politics

McDermott, 64, spent two years in Vietnam and saw a long line of soldiers who felt the government wasn't behind them. The experience shaped his life and his political philosophy.

After Vietnam, McDermott moved to Seattle in 1970 and almost immediately won a seat in the state Legislature. After 14 years and three unsuccessful bids for governor, he went to Zaire to practice psychiatry in 1987

FULL A.P. ARTICLE: copy/paste---- http://www.usvtc.org/News/2001/October%202001/oct23_vietnam_days_shape_lawmaker.htm

[VMI70]

Your assessment is ludicrous on its face.
There is a huge difference.

[Drammach]

Believe me, I am proud of my service time. ( 71 - 80 )
I served in the MP's and Corrections, and while I did not see combat in Vietnam, I saw plenty of combat.
I saw unarmed combat in correctional facilities, often outnumbered 4 to 1 ( inmates vs. staff, respectively. )
I was shot at, and on a few ocassions, returned fire.
Even worse was serving in the U.S. and being reviled and insulted by my fellow americans for wearing a U.S. Army uniform.

As to whether I'm "lucky" to have missed combat, age and perspective has tempered my outlook.
I was really gung ho to serve in Vietnam when I entered, but it never happened. Request denied.

Evidently, God had other plans for me, and I will simply go where assigned and do the job given me.

[Rome2000]

They are not Vietnam combat veterans, but they ARE card carrying members of the Democratic Socialists of America's Progressive Caucus, a group ofUNPATRIOTIC UNAMERICAN subversives that are actively engaged in overthrowing the capitalist system of government in the USA and transforming it into a socialist nation.

"Progressive" is a code word for socialist, note that Sanders of VT is an officer.

Why these people are allowed to get on national TV and not disclose or be asked by the press reagrding their membership in a socialist organization is beyond me.

The table below was downloaded from the Democratic Socialists of America

Members of the Progressive Caucus

officers
Member/Position/District	Address	Phone	Website
Peter DeFazio (OFFICER, OREGON-04)	2134 RHOB	225-6416	WEBSITE
Dennis Kucinich (Chairman) (CHAIR, OHIO-10)	1730 LHOB	225-5871	WEBSITE
Barbara Lee (Vice Chair) (OFFICER, CALIFORNIA-09)	426 CHOB	225-2661	WEBSITE
Cynthia McKinney (OFFICER, GEORGIA-04)	124 CHOB	225-1605	WEBSITE
Major Owens (OFFICER, NEW YORK-11)	2309 RHOB	225-6231	WEBSITE
Bernie Sanders (OFFICER, VERMONT)	2135 RHOB	225-4115	WEBSITE
Paul Wellstone (OFFICER, MINNESOTA)	136 HSOB	224-5641	WEBSITE

members
Member/Position/District	Address	Phone	Website
Neil Abercrombie (MEMBER, HAWAII-01)	1502 LHOB	225-2726	WEBSITE
Tammy Baldwin (MEMBER, WISCONSIN-02)	1022 LHOB	225-2906	WEBSITE
Xavier Becerra (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-30)	1119 LHOB	225-6235	WEBSITE
David Bonior (MEMBER, MICHIGAN-10)	2207 RHOB	225-2106	WEBSITE
Corrine Brown (MEMBER, FLORIDA-03)	2444 RHOB	225-0123	WEBSITE
Sherrod Brown (MEMBER, OHIO-13)	2438 RHOB	225-3401	WEBSITE
Michael Capuano (MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-08)	1232 LHOB	225-5111	WEBSITE
Julia Carson (MEMBER, INDIANA-10)	1339 LHOB	225-4011	WEBSITE
William "Lacy" Clay (MEMBER, MISSOURI-01)	415 CHOB	225-2406	WEBSITE
John Conyers (MEMBER, MICHIGAN-14)	2426 RHOB	225-5126	WEBSITE
Danny Davis (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-07)	1222 LHOB	225-5006	WEBSITE
Rosa DeLauro (MEMBER, CONNECTICUT-03)	2262 RHOB	225-3661	WEBSITE
Lane Evans (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-17)	2211 RHOB	225-5905	WEBSITE
Eni Faleomavaega (MEMBER, AMERICAN SAMOA)	2422 RHOB	225-8577	WEBSITE
Sam Farr (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-17)	1221 LHOB	225-2861	WEBSITE
Chaka Fattah (MEMBER, PENNSYLVANIA-02)	1205 LHOB	225-4001	WEBSITE
Bob Filner (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-50)	2463 RHOB	225-8045	WEBSITE
Barney Frank (MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-04)	2252 RHOB	225-5931	WEBSITE
Luis Gutierrez (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-04)	2452 RHOB	225-8203	WEBSITE
Earl Hilliard (MEMBER, ALABAMA-07)	1314 LHOB	225-2665	WEBSITE
Maurice Hinchey (MEMBER, NEW YORK-26)	2431 RHOB	225-6335	WEBSITE
Jesse Jackson, Jr (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-02)	313 CHOB	225-0773
Sheila Jackson-Lee (MEMBER, TEXAS-18)	403 CHOB	225-3816	WEBSITE
Stephanie Tubbs Jones (MEMBER, OHIO-11)	1516 LHOB	225-7032	WEBSITE
Marcy Kaptur (MEMBER, OHIO-09)	2366 RHOB	225-4146	WEBSITE
Tom Lantos (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-12)	2217 RHOB	225-3531	WEBSITE
John Lewis (MEMBER, GEORGIA-05)	343 CHOB	225-3801	WEBSITE
Jim McDermott (MEMBER, WASHINGTON-07)	1035 LHOB	225-3106	WEBSITE
James P. McGovern (MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-03)	430 CHOB	225-6101	WEBSITE
Carrie Meek (MEMBER, FLORIDA-17)	2433 RHOB	225-4506	WEBSITE
George Miller (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-07)	2205 RHOB	225-2095	WEBSITE
Patsy Mink (MEMBER, HAWAII-02)	2210 RHOB	225-4906	WEBSITE
Jerry Nadler (MEMBER, NEW YORK-08)	2334 RHOB	225-5635	WEBSITE
Eleanor Holmes Norton (MEMBER, D.C.)	2136 RHOB	225-8050	WEBSITE
John Olver (MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-01)	1027 LHOB	225-5335	WEBSITE
Ed Pastor (MEMBER, ARIZONA-02)	2465 RHOB	225-4065	WEBSITE
Donald Payne (MEMBER, NEW JERSEY-10)	2209 RHOB	225-3436	WEBSITE
Nancy Pelosi (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-08)	2457 RHOB	225-4965	WEBSITE
Bobby Rush (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-01)	2416 RHOB	225-4372	WEBSITE
Jan Schakowsky (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-09)	515 CHOB	225-2111	WEBSITE
Jose Serrano (MEMBER, NEW YORK-16)	2342 RHOB	225-4361	WEBSITE
Hilda Solis (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-31)	1641 LHOB	225-5464	WEBSITE
Pete Stark (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-13)	239 CHOB	225-5065	WEBSITE
Bennie Thompson (MEMBER, MISSISSIPPI-02)	2432 RHOB	225-5876	WEBSITE
John Tierney (MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-06)	120 CHOB	225-8020	WEBSITE
Tom Udall (MEMBER, NEW MEXICO-03)	502 CHOB	225-6190	WEBSITE
Nydia Velazquez (MEMBER, NEW YORK-12)	2241 RHOB	225-2361	WEBSITE
Maxine Waters (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-35)	2344 RHOB	225-2201	WEBSITE
Diane Watson (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-32)	2413 RHOB	225-7084	WEBSITE
Mel Watt (MEMBER, NORTH CAROLINA-12)	2236 RHOB	225-1510	WEBSITE
Henry Waxman (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-29)	2204 RHOB	225-3976	WEBSITE
Lynn Woolsey (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-06)	2263 RHOB	225-5161	WEBSITE

Congressional Progressive Caucus

[VMI70]

Bump

[Kaslin]

Can you provide a link to Congress Merge on line. I need it for a comeback to some lefties in a chat room. And I could not find anthing in the Detroit Free Press regarding this

[itsahoot]

On the hand, if your dad was a World War II vet, few ask if he
served in Normandy or in New Jersey.

He can't join the VFW or American Legion either.

[VMI70]

Our local late afternoon talk show host brought up the subject of McDermott and Bonier's service. He was unclear on the subject, so I just called our local station (WRVA, Richmond, VA), to set them straight about these two jerks' service, and the call screener blew me off.

Go figure.

[XGMan]

For some mysterious reason, the direct link has been removed. Here is the same link from the cache: copy/paste. If it doesn't work, let me know and I'll make it hypertext.

http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:LYFpPIjLNIUC:www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/cgi-bin/memberbio.cgi%3Fmember%3DWA07%26site%3Dcongressmerge+jim++mcdermott++congress++&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[philetus]

Some people like to go after the fakes
http://www.geocities.com/recon_bubba/

[itsahoot]

I hope they aren't that stupid as to make a claim as fought in
Vietnam when there are so many ways to check such

Remember Admiral Boarda(sp) killed him self(wink, wink)
supposedly because he wore a decoration he was not entitled to.

All the CNO staff flew into the combat region at least once a month
because any salary was tax exempt, if you served one day in the
combat zone. I was Navy and was in little danger, but wages
were tax free.

Everyone who served in the theater recieved
the Armed Forces Expeditionary ribbon, whether they saw combat or not.

[Maximum Leader]

I knew that about the VFW but I didn't know the American Legion required overseas service.