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Dowd: It's Hillary in 2008
NewsMax ^ | 10/3/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 10/03/2002 11:21:07 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Hillary Clinton is the great White (House) hope of American womanhood, and in 2008 she'll be swept into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd declares.

In a column "Can Hillary Upgrade?" devoted to the proposition that American males are "biologically" unsuited to hold political office or leadership positions, Miss Dowd propounds a solution: elect a women with an ample supply of the testosterone the males she cites (Torricelli, Andrew Coumo, Tom Daschle, and Ari Fleischer) have been shown to lack.

That woman of course is Mrs. Clinton.

"The arena is full of powerful men in touch with their powerless inner women," the pugnacious Dowd wrote. "And yet, surrounded by famous men puddling under pressure, American girls are still doubtful about the prospects of a woman becoming president." Citing a USA Today poll 40 percent of the women said they would not see one within 10 years and a grim 14 percent "not in my lifetime."

Shocked at her sisters' faintheartedness, Miss Dowd asks "Are those 14 percent unaware of the Clintonian relentlessness of the junior senator from New York?"

Miss Dowd, journalism's archetype of the species of womanhood once known as "common scolds" sets the record straight for her female readers. Hillary, she says, will go for it in 2008, and those dastardly Republicans with their feet firmly planted in the middle of the vast right wing conspiracy will create the circumstances that will allow her to walk downtown to the White House and reclaim all those lovely furnishings the cold hearted government wouldn't allow her to purloin when she left there in January 2001.

That Hillary is gung ho for the race is shown, Dowd says:

Because she's "staying away from Al Gore's kumbayah corner. She's muting any doubts she has about a war on Iraq - "... she is not articulating her angst as loudly as some of her Democratic colleagues...and "knows that any woman who hopes to be elected president cannot have love beads in her jewelry case. As a result she'll back GW if her decides to take out Saddam: "I know a little bit about what it's like on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, making these difficult decisions," Hillary told Tim Russert.

She has gone all out raising money for fellow Democrats, using her House as NewsMax.com reported Monday as a fund raising gimmick. As Dowd says, she has "put Democrats in her debt by handing out fistfuls of cash from her PAC." Mrs. Clinton and her sometime husband have it all planned out. According to their scenario either John Kerry or John Edwards or Al Gore, "if he can find any Democratic donors" will be the sacrificial lamb in 2004" to a popular wartime president Bush.

In the meantime, Mrs. Clinton will hunker down and play the role of a dedicated senator "for a few more years." She will shed the liberal label, "veering away from the left on issues like welfare and bankruptcy."

Dowd reveals the script written by her supporters:

"In the flush of patriotism and empire-building, the Republicans take over the Senate and keep the House this fall. Then President Bush wins his war on Iraq." This of course makes Dubya "and his inner circle.. more arrogant."

White House political experts Carl Rove, "pushes through the most reactionary agenda since the Congress of Vienna, packing the courts with young right-wingers opposed to abortion and all regulations. Congress, too, gets carried away with an ultra-conservative agenda." "The maniacally centrist American public craves another correction. Right, left, right, left. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. Yup. In our lifetime."

Note: We left out the one Republican Dowd cited as lacking the requisite maleness she seems to crave: Gov. Jeb Bush who she faults for crying every time his daughter gets arrested, Pray tell, Miss Dowd, what do you expect him to do, shout hosannas?

But then, you have to understand that Dowd wouldn't begin to understand how anybody would react when a beloved but drug addicted daughter gets busted. Dowd doesn't have a daughter and since she's getting long in the tooth it's doubtful she ever will.

Somebody should tell the Dowd woman that it has been truly said that "only strong men cry." The weak ones are afraid to.


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1 posted on 10/03/2002 11:21:07 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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2 posted on 10/03/2002 11:21:29 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
She is absolutely guranteed to run. And she could win. Republicans will not know how to run against her. They will keep quiet on the scandals and try to be nice. It will backfire.
3 posted on 10/03/2002 11:23:24 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Where's the BARF alert on this thread? Maureen Dowd is a newspaper flunky for the DNC and kisses the ground the Clintons walk on! UGH~
4 posted on 10/03/2002 11:23:56 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: Zack Nguyen
hillary shmillary nobody outside NY and Ca wants that broad for POTUS.
5 posted on 10/03/2002 11:28:10 AM PDT by linn37
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
pushes through the most reactionary agenda since the Congress of Vienna, packing the courts with young right-wingers opposed to abortion and all regulations. Congress, too, gets carried away with an ultra-conservative agenda

Yes, this will happen...but because Bush is at the helm it will be done with class and taste, and America will be all for it.

Gonna be fun to watch.

6 posted on 10/03/2002 11:28:55 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; Alex P. Keaton
Will spend every last minute working for her defeat and would expect I would have a lot of company. This is not the Nicholson RNC we are dealing with now.

The new and improved RNC will be more than ready to take her on in 2008! Not going to be a cakewalk for her and she is not going to get elected.

All of her words and deeds will come back to haunt her for the 2008 run! And I intend to be on board make that happen!
7 posted on 10/03/2002 11:29:18 AM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Right up until the she runs into the brick wall named Condi Rice.
8 posted on 10/03/2002 11:31:14 AM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"The Bride of Satan" campaign.
9 posted on 10/03/2002 11:31:23 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hopefully by then the democratic party will be an illegal organization, banned, its leaders in jail or facing people's justice, its members in hiding or on the run.
10 posted on 10/03/2002 11:34:06 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

11 posted on 10/03/2002 11:34:37 AM PDT by GalvestonBeachcomber
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To: princess leah
Dowd is synonymous with Barf, princess.
:)
12 posted on 10/03/2002 11:36:07 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Does this mean that Hillary does not believe that Al Gore will be a two term president after he wins in 2004?
13 posted on 10/03/2002 11:37:01 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Of course all of this overlooks the fact that she also has no personality and that she is a TERRIBLE speaker. But, then again, all those RATS did vote for Gore.
14 posted on 10/03/2002 11:46:58 AM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
So let's see...in Ms. Dowd's opinion...Hillary is destined be the first woman President, merely because she's a cold-hearted and nasty B*tch ???
15 posted on 10/03/2002 11:47:59 AM PDT by twyn1
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Sorry. Condi Rice would mop the floor with Hillary.
16 posted on 10/03/2002 11:48:40 AM PDT by rintense
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
In a column "Can Hillary Upgrade?" devoted to the proposition that American males are "biologically" unsuited to hold political office or leadership positions, Miss Dowd propounds a solution: elect a women with an ample supply of the testosterone the males she cites (Torricelli, Andrew Coumo, Tom Daschle, and Ari Fleischer) have been shown to lack.

Maureen, Maureen, you dear, deluded old hack...

I'm sure this is going to come out all wrong, but it's just an observation... I'm sure the Democrats can come up with a lot of women more masculine than Andrew Coumo or Tom Daschle, if that's really what you think the voters want.

I think you're on the wrong track, just look at how Janet Reno's "I'm more of a man than Jeb Bush" campaign worked out.

But go for it. I think the Republicans are going to just run "normal" people & see how that works.

17 posted on 10/03/2002 11:52:32 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Maureen Dowd is a ninny.
18 posted on 10/03/2002 11:54:01 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

19 posted on 10/03/2002 11:57:50 AM PDT by Consort
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To: linn37
That is incorrect. Conservatives always underestimate the popularity of those we dislike. Hillary Clinton is absolutely adored amongst the feminist set, and wanna-be feminist flaky middle-American women. Many women will vote for her solely because she is a woman. They will give no thought whatsoever to the damage she will wreak upon the country should she ascend to the Presidency.

In addition, Hillayr Clinton reflects the Irresponsible Generation's rage and hatred against traditional American values, and this resonates. The perpetually covetouswill flock to her banner. Throw in enough clueless swing voters and she could win.

Certainly she will never allow herself to be beaten for the Democratic nomination. She will crush any opposition by any means necessary. She is every bit as tough as her husband. Perhaps even more so.

20 posted on 10/03/2002 12:04:46 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: rintense
Condi Rice would match up well (in public) with Senator Clinton. However, I have heard that Ms. Rice is pro-choice. If that be the case, she will lose a sizable percentage of the Republican base, including this Republican voter.
21 posted on 10/03/2002 12:06:36 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
I have the solution to Hillary - Run Rudy for president. There is no way that he would lose.
22 posted on 10/03/2002 12:07:10 PM PDT by montomike
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To: montomike
Rudy is also pro-choice and anti-gun.
23 posted on 10/03/2002 12:12:00 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Zack Nguyen
Are you known as "No Nose" Nguyen?
24 posted on 10/03/2002 12:13:27 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Was Dowd kind enought to provide a MEGA BARF ALERT! at the beginning of this article?
25 posted on 10/03/2002 12:17:48 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: linn37
hillary shmillary nobody outside NY and Ca wants that broad for POTUS.

But the Clintons & co. cheat. And they kill. Yes, she could win. Not fairly of course, but she could win because she will stop at nothing to do so. She and that husband of hers too.

26 posted on 10/03/2002 12:19:08 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Speak for yourself ole Dowdy. Hillary Clinton is NOT the supreme white hope for American womanhood. I have a lot of family and friends who are women and believe me...none of them look to Hillary Clinton for anything at all.
27 posted on 10/03/2002 12:20:17 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
No need. The Oxford English Dictionary defines "Dowd" as:

Dowd - a sudden need to vomit uncontrollably, as in "I just swallowed a gallon of sour milk, I think I'm going to dowd." Also the name of an annoying NY Times columnist.
28 posted on 10/03/2002 12:27:53 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: Zack Nguyen
It's interesting how many Republicans look for ways to not vote for the GOP. No wonder the elected Repubs tend to ignore many in the grass roots.
29 posted on 10/03/2002 12:27:59 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Zack Nguyen
Who knows, she may change her views. I know choice/life is an important issue, but would you let that one issue sway a vote for an otherwise good Republican? I'm just curious.

Ideally, we need to learn more about Condi. As time goes, if we begin to see more and more info about her, you can bet that it is a 'get to know you' strategy, setting her up as a contender.

30 posted on 10/03/2002 12:28:05 PM PDT by rintense
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To: GalvestonBeachcomber
Thanks. I haven't had a good laugh since Monday.
31 posted on 10/03/2002 12:30:59 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Callahan
And some of those dictionaries define Gore as: A piece of a skirt.
32 posted on 10/03/2002 12:34:38 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I have no problem with a woman in the White House provided it's the right woman.

I have every problem with putting another criminal Clinton anywhere near the White House.

It is disgusting that people toss this idea around merely for their own entertainment.

33 posted on 10/03/2002 12:36:18 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: rintense
Condi will run when Hitlary decides to run. There is no one who can run against Condi and win the election. After W wins the 2008 election, we will have Condi for 8 more yrs int he white house :)
34 posted on 10/03/2002 12:37:54 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: sheik yerbouty
Have you seen the new Fox commercial with regard to the baseball playoff games where it shows someone sticking pins in a voodoo doll? Reminds me of what a Hillary campaign will be like.
35 posted on 10/03/2002 12:42:10 PM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Maureen and Hillary : Perfect Together !

Which one gets to play the "Poppa" ?

36 posted on 10/03/2002 12:42:12 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Sounds like a weak scenario. Mo Dowd was writing satire, and even if she wasn't she's hardly a reliable pundit. The country will move 5 degrees to the right after this election, then it will slide back over the next six years or so. If Bush picks up seats now he'll lose them in 2004 or 2006. If he doesn't win tem now, he'll win them in 2004 and lose them in 2006.

The Times may be able to convince the stupid that Karl Rove is some kind of right winger, but he's not by any means that. Every exiting President loses popularity towards the end of his term, but there won't be any swing to the left strong enough to bring Hillary Clinton to power. Everything depends on the economy, but if it's weak enough in 2008 or 2004 it will attract other and stronger candidates.

But still, Mencken (or was it W.C. Fields or P.T. Barnum) was right about not underestimating the gullibility of the American people. Having chosen Clinton twice, they might well make the same mistake again. Every ex-President looks alike to the forgetful populace after ten years, and, as with Nixon, even a failed President comes back into favor, on the grounds that he was a "fighter" not a "quitter," even if he did in fact quit -- or should have.

37 posted on 10/03/2002 12:42:28 PM PDT by x
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To: Cool Guy
Well we know if Sharon is still leading Israel, he'll be a major ally of hers! Well, maybe of her legs.
38 posted on 10/03/2002 12:43:35 PM PDT by rintense
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To: PhiKapMom
What is Dowd smoking? I believe the Clinton's are running the party. The Dims had a good chance to win something but their campaign of personal hate is destroying the chances even for Democrat incumbents. If anything the party looks bleak. What great issues wil Hillary bring? More hate class envy?
39 posted on 10/03/2002 12:43:37 PM PDT by ChiMark
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To: ChiMark
You are so right with your analysis. All the Clinton DemocRAT Party knows is the politics of personal destruction and making offers people cannot refuse! If you do refuse, Welcome to Fort Marcy Park!
40 posted on 10/03/2002 12:47:28 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Zack Nguyen; MattinNJ
She is absolutely guranteed to run. And she could win. Republicans will not know how to run against her. They will keep quiet on the scandals and try to be nice. It will backfire.

Please. No Jeb Bush. People will want the Bush family to go into hibernation for awhile after 2008.

I understand the panic of some Conservatives here on this board. A presidency under Hillary would be a truly lawless affair. The woman is nothing if not ruthless, and suffers no fools gladly who get in the way of her ambitions.

But in the end, the Republicans understand what Hillary is up to. They know that running a male against her is a doubtful proposition, as Hillary is able to play the victim so easily.

But as MattinNJ suggested, the Republicans already have a plan.....

You beat a woman with a better woman.

And not just any woman. You have to have someone who has no fear, and cannot be intimidated by Hillary's tactics. I strongly suspect that if Giuliani had not had to deal with prostate cancer, he still would have lost to Clinton, if only by a smaller margin than poor Lazio.

In the Age of Oprah, you have to fight a woman's wiles with a woman who is fully cognizant of all the tricks.

Condi Rice is Hillary Clinton's brick wall, and she is our best hope.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

41 posted on 10/03/2002 12:58:22 PM PDT by section9
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To: section9
Hillary in 2008 ?
I've been predicting for a while that there are too many ex Clinton friends who were burned, too many publishers looking for tell-all books and too much juicy advance money to keep this all bottled up forever.
Its just a matter of time till another disgusting, treasonous or vile story slithers out about the Clintons and their politico-criminal carreers. Then well see about 2008.
42 posted on 10/03/2002 1:06:25 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Wonder what Dowd thought about Maggie Thatcher?
43 posted on 10/03/2002 1:10:35 PM PDT by Cooter
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To: rintense
I know choice/life is an important issue, but would you let that one issue sway a vote for an otherwise good Republican?

Yes, I am afraid I would. There are very, very few things that would keep me from voting GOP. Breaking faith with the unborn is one of them. Some things are more important than practicality in winning elections, and that is one thing I will not bend on. Pretty much the only other thing would be if Bush nominates an open homosexual as his running mate. (Obviously that's not going to happen.)

Be well.

44 posted on 10/03/2002 1:14:06 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Do you really believe that the Activist wing of the Democratic Party gives a rat's ass about Hillary's past?

With all due respect, have you been watching Bob Torricelli wake up with a horse's head at the foot of his bed?

This outfit is virtually a criminal organization. The DNC looks at the law the way a mugger looks at an old lady with a handbag: as a challenge.

Hillary is, as we speak, doing the only thing that counts for Democrats: she's raising money and banking her IOU's. Behind the scenes, she will be doing ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to make sure that Bush is reelected in 2008. She will even vote for him in the privacy of her voting booth in New York. So will Bubba, btw. She cannot afford to have some young Turk like Evan Bayh, John Edwards, or even an older Turk like John Kerry, enter the White House in 2004. That would put paid to her ambitions.

When you see smarmy stories come out about the Democratic frontrunner in the late spring of 2004, don't even for a moment believe that Bush's people were behind it.

She's doing all the right things within the context of the Democratic nominating process. The Republican process is more "up through the ranks", and tends to produce better people. Condi will get a promotion in 2004 to VP. Hillary will still help the Bushies in private, figuring that she can take Rice in 2008. She will be proven desperately wrong.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

45 posted on 10/03/2002 1:15:04 PM PDT by section9
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Are you known as "No Nose" Nguyen?

[Snicker] Only amongst my gangland friends.

46 posted on 10/03/2002 1:15:16 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hillary may THINK she's gonna become prez but one thing is for certain, she will NEVER be a member of Augusta !!


47 posted on 10/03/2002 1:16:26 PM PDT by unixfox
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To: section9
I agree. No Jeb in 2008. I have a sneaking suspicion that some may wish that.
48 posted on 10/03/2002 1:16:27 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
What Rodham has going for her is nostalgia for the '90s economy, and Clinton's political skills. However, the skills are perishable.

Hillary has problems:

1. Her association with the '70s Women's Movement. Folks who identify with it are disproportionately aging, Anglo or Jewish right or left coast professionals (or professional wannabes). That's not the demographics of the electorate.

2. Strong negatives with important contributors & voting groups. Hillary doesn't poll well with men. Hillary doesn't poll well with Jews. Hillary doesn't poll well with Hispanics. Hillary doesn't poll well with Asians.

3. The Cybil Sheppard factor. White ethnics, African-Americans, Latinos, and Asians don't name their kid Hillary. The name sounds uncomfortably Anglo. It says to voters not of English descent: Here boy, bus this table and take my used sanitary napkins to the garbage, or I'll dock your minimum wage pay 15 minutes.

Bush skates the Anglo issue with his smile, his sense of humor, his aw shucks Texas demeanor, and his use of Spanish. Ever see any evidence of a Rodham sense of humor? If she talks to her illegal Guatemalan maid, it's through an intermediary to tell her she's fired. In English.

Great politicians have great smiles. (i.e. FDR, Eisenhower, Reagan, Clinton) Rodham has a perpetual scowl.

Great politicians win by persuading majorities to identify with them. Rodham's prepared to tell anyone they're a fool at the drop of a hat. And why. The words are perpetually on her lips.

The jury's out whether Rodham's a good politician. She got 65% of the Senate vote in a state that's 60% Democrat. On the other hand, there's the health care thing. Could she carry swing states? Can you imagine her eating pigmeat at a Tenneesee barbecue with a bluegrass band performing, and coming off as credible? Shaking hands with Mexicans in a South Texas lettuce field? Congratulating the parents and groom at a Dearborn, Michigan Muslim wedding? I can't. 15 miles from the Upper East Side, the Magnificent Mile, Bel Air or Marin County, she turns into a frog.

She may make it, but I think the next Democrat President will have better political skills. Could be Gore, but I suspect an unknown. The Democrats like a fresh face.





49 posted on 10/03/2002 1:17:28 PM PDT by Man of the Right
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
if it is mrs clinton in 2008, barring a miracle, this country will come apart at the seems. you saw it here first.
50 posted on 10/03/2002 1:18:14 PM PDT by justsomedude
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