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Dowd: It's Hillary in 2008
NewsMax ^ | 10/3/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 10/03/2002 11:21:07 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Hillary Clinton is the great White (House) hope of American womanhood, and in 2008 she'll be swept into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd declares.

In a column "Can Hillary Upgrade?" devoted to the proposition that American males are "biologically" unsuited to hold political office or leadership positions, Miss Dowd propounds a solution: elect a women with an ample supply of the testosterone the males she cites (Torricelli, Andrew Coumo, Tom Daschle, and Ari Fleischer) have been shown to lack.

That woman of course is Mrs. Clinton.

"The arena is full of powerful men in touch with their powerless inner women," the pugnacious Dowd wrote. "And yet, surrounded by famous men puddling under pressure, American girls are still doubtful about the prospects of a woman becoming president." Citing a USA Today poll 40 percent of the women said they would not see one within 10 years and a grim 14 percent "not in my lifetime."

Shocked at her sisters' faintheartedness, Miss Dowd asks "Are those 14 percent unaware of the Clintonian relentlessness of the junior senator from New York?"

Miss Dowd, journalism's archetype of the species of womanhood once known as "common scolds" sets the record straight for her female readers. Hillary, she says, will go for it in 2008, and those dastardly Republicans with their feet firmly planted in the middle of the vast right wing conspiracy will create the circumstances that will allow her to walk downtown to the White House and reclaim all those lovely furnishings the cold hearted government wouldn't allow her to purloin when she left there in January 2001.

That Hillary is gung ho for the race is shown, Dowd says:

Because she's "staying away from Al Gore's kumbayah corner. She's muting any doubts she has about a war on Iraq - "... she is not articulating her angst as loudly as some of her Democratic colleagues...and "knows that any woman who hopes to be elected president cannot have love beads in her jewelry case. As a result she'll back GW if her decides to take out Saddam: "I know a little bit about what it's like on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, making these difficult decisions," Hillary told Tim Russert.

She has gone all out raising money for fellow Democrats, using her House as NewsMax.com reported Monday as a fund raising gimmick. As Dowd says, she has "put Democrats in her debt by handing out fistfuls of cash from her PAC." Mrs. Clinton and her sometime husband have it all planned out. According to their scenario either John Kerry or John Edwards or Al Gore, "if he can find any Democratic donors" will be the sacrificial lamb in 2004" to a popular wartime president Bush.

In the meantime, Mrs. Clinton will hunker down and play the role of a dedicated senator "for a few more years." She will shed the liberal label, "veering away from the left on issues like welfare and bankruptcy."

Dowd reveals the script written by her supporters:

"In the flush of patriotism and empire-building, the Republicans take over the Senate and keep the House this fall. Then President Bush wins his war on Iraq." This of course makes Dubya "and his inner circle.. more arrogant."

White House political experts Carl Rove, "pushes through the most reactionary agenda since the Congress of Vienna, packing the courts with young right-wingers opposed to abortion and all regulations. Congress, too, gets carried away with an ultra-conservative agenda." "The maniacally centrist American public craves another correction. Right, left, right, left. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. Yup. In our lifetime."

Note: We left out the one Republican Dowd cited as lacking the requisite maleness she seems to crave: Gov. Jeb Bush who she faults for crying every time his daughter gets arrested, Pray tell, Miss Dowd, what do you expect him to do, shout hosannas?

But then, you have to understand that Dowd wouldn't begin to understand how anybody would react when a beloved but drug addicted daughter gets busted. Dowd doesn't have a daughter and since she's getting long in the tooth it's doubtful she ever will.

Somebody should tell the Dowd woman that it has been truly said that "only strong men cry." The weak ones are afraid to.


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To: Zack Nguyen; MattinNJ
She is absolutely guranteed to run. And she could win. Republicans will not know how to run against her. They will keep quiet on the scandals and try to be nice. It will backfire.

Please. No Jeb Bush. People will want the Bush family to go into hibernation for awhile after 2008.

I understand the panic of some Conservatives here on this board. A presidency under Hillary would be a truly lawless affair. The woman is nothing if not ruthless, and suffers no fools gladly who get in the way of her ambitions.

But in the end, the Republicans understand what Hillary is up to. They know that running a male against her is a doubtful proposition, as Hillary is able to play the victim so easily.

But as MattinNJ suggested, the Republicans already have a plan.....

You beat a woman with a better woman.

And not just any woman. You have to have someone who has no fear, and cannot be intimidated by Hillary's tactics. I strongly suspect that if Giuliani had not had to deal with prostate cancer, he still would have lost to Clinton, if only by a smaller margin than poor Lazio.

In the Age of Oprah, you have to fight a woman's wiles with a woman who is fully cognizant of all the tricks.

Condi Rice is Hillary Clinton's brick wall, and she is our best hope.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

41 posted on 10/03/2002 12:58:22 PM PDT by section9
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To: section9
Hillary in 2008 ?
I've been predicting for a while that there are too many ex Clinton friends who were burned, too many publishers looking for tell-all books and too much juicy advance money to keep this all bottled up forever.
Its just a matter of time till another disgusting, treasonous or vile story slithers out about the Clintons and their politico-criminal carreers. Then well see about 2008.
42 posted on 10/03/2002 1:06:25 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Wonder what Dowd thought about Maggie Thatcher?
43 posted on 10/03/2002 1:10:35 PM PDT by Cooter
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To: rintense
I know choice/life is an important issue, but would you let that one issue sway a vote for an otherwise good Republican?

Yes, I am afraid I would. There are very, very few things that would keep me from voting GOP. Breaking faith with the unborn is one of them. Some things are more important than practicality in winning elections, and that is one thing I will not bend on. Pretty much the only other thing would be if Bush nominates an open homosexual as his running mate. (Obviously that's not going to happen.)

Be well.

44 posted on 10/03/2002 1:14:06 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Do you really believe that the Activist wing of the Democratic Party gives a rat's ass about Hillary's past?

With all due respect, have you been watching Bob Torricelli wake up with a horse's head at the foot of his bed?

This outfit is virtually a criminal organization. The DNC looks at the law the way a mugger looks at an old lady with a handbag: as a challenge.

Hillary is, as we speak, doing the only thing that counts for Democrats: she's raising money and banking her IOU's. Behind the scenes, she will be doing ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to make sure that Bush is reelected in 2008. She will even vote for him in the privacy of her voting booth in New York. So will Bubba, btw. She cannot afford to have some young Turk like Evan Bayh, John Edwards, or even an older Turk like John Kerry, enter the White House in 2004. That would put paid to her ambitions.

When you see smarmy stories come out about the Democratic frontrunner in the late spring of 2004, don't even for a moment believe that Bush's people were behind it.

She's doing all the right things within the context of the Democratic nominating process. The Republican process is more "up through the ranks", and tends to produce better people. Condi will get a promotion in 2004 to VP. Hillary will still help the Bushies in private, figuring that she can take Rice in 2008. She will be proven desperately wrong.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

45 posted on 10/03/2002 1:15:04 PM PDT by section9
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Are you known as "No Nose" Nguyen?

[Snicker] Only amongst my gangland friends.

46 posted on 10/03/2002 1:15:16 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hillary may THINK she's gonna become prez but one thing is for certain, she will NEVER be a member of Augusta !!


47 posted on 10/03/2002 1:16:26 PM PDT by unixfox
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To: section9
I agree. No Jeb in 2008. I have a sneaking suspicion that some may wish that.
48 posted on 10/03/2002 1:16:27 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
What Rodham has going for her is nostalgia for the '90s economy, and Clinton's political skills. However, the skills are perishable.

Hillary has problems:

1. Her association with the '70s Women's Movement. Folks who identify with it are disproportionately aging, Anglo or Jewish right or left coast professionals (or professional wannabes). That's not the demographics of the electorate.

2. Strong negatives with important contributors & voting groups. Hillary doesn't poll well with men. Hillary doesn't poll well with Jews. Hillary doesn't poll well with Hispanics. Hillary doesn't poll well with Asians.

3. The Cybil Sheppard factor. White ethnics, African-Americans, Latinos, and Asians don't name their kid Hillary. The name sounds uncomfortably Anglo. It says to voters not of English descent: Here boy, bus this table and take my used sanitary napkins to the garbage, or I'll dock your minimum wage pay 15 minutes.

Bush skates the Anglo issue with his smile, his sense of humor, his aw shucks Texas demeanor, and his use of Spanish. Ever see any evidence of a Rodham sense of humor? If she talks to her illegal Guatemalan maid, it's through an intermediary to tell her she's fired. In English.

Great politicians have great smiles. (i.e. FDR, Eisenhower, Reagan, Clinton) Rodham has a perpetual scowl.

Great politicians win by persuading majorities to identify with them. Rodham's prepared to tell anyone they're a fool at the drop of a hat. And why. The words are perpetually on her lips.

The jury's out whether Rodham's a good politician. She got 65% of the Senate vote in a state that's 60% Democrat. On the other hand, there's the health care thing. Could she carry swing states? Can you imagine her eating pigmeat at a Tenneesee barbecue with a bluegrass band performing, and coming off as credible? Shaking hands with Mexicans in a South Texas lettuce field? Congratulating the parents and groom at a Dearborn, Michigan Muslim wedding? I can't. 15 miles from the Upper East Side, the Magnificent Mile, Bel Air or Marin County, she turns into a frog.

She may make it, but I think the next Democrat President will have better political skills. Could be Gore, but I suspect an unknown. The Democrats like a fresh face.





49 posted on 10/03/2002 1:17:28 PM PDT by Man of the Right
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
if it is mrs clinton in 2008, barring a miracle, this country will come apart at the seems. you saw it here first.
50 posted on 10/03/2002 1:18:14 PM PDT by justsomedude
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To: Zack Nguyen
Yes, I am afraid I would. There are very, very few things that would keep me from voting GOP. Breaking faith with the unborn is one of them.

Sorry, Zack. I sympathize, but keeping Hillary Clinton as far away as possible from the Launch Authorization Code Keys is far more important than even this issue.

I understand where you're coming from. Bear in mind that in all my readings on this issue, Condi believes in restrictions on abortion; for instance, she's a believer in parental notification laws. I strongly suspect that she is a federalist on this issue (the Casey standard, if you'll recall). Again, I'm taking her stance as a believer in state's rights (!) and her belief in the Second Amendment as my guidepost.

However, for the most part, she has kept her positions on national issues to a minimum.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

51 posted on 10/03/2002 1:21:29 PM PDT by section9
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To: Zack Nguyen
I completely understand and respect your view.
52 posted on 10/03/2002 1:24:10 PM PDT by rintense
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To: hsmomx3
It'll be worse than that. I'm going to stock up om garlic and wolfbane.
53 posted on 10/03/2002 1:25:55 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
There is an answer:


Condolezza Rice for President, 2008 - America's Iron Lady

Hillary would be, quite simply, dead.

Regards, Ivan

54 posted on 10/03/2002 1:28:23 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: PhiKapMom
Add my name to the TOP of the list to help keep that EVIL LIAR out of the White House AGAIN!
55 posted on 10/03/2002 1:28:49 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Fraulein
No personality? Well, certainly no likeable personality.

But I'd say someone who is shrewish, cold, calculating and imperious is not lacking in personality!
56 posted on 10/03/2002 1:30:02 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: rintense
Well thank you.
57 posted on 10/03/2002 1:41:41 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
NEVER FORGET!

58 posted on 10/03/2002 1:44:06 PM PDT by ALS
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To: sheik yerbouty
I cannot imagine housewives and especially men voting for her.
59 posted on 10/03/2002 1:44:27 PM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Now bear something in mind. Part of the reason I like the idea of Rice running in 2008 is because of her capabilities, her razor-sharp mind, and her oratorical skills. However, just as important is the fact that in 2008, the media will still be dominated by liberals. Remember how the libs fell all over themselves during the McCain rebellion? Johnnie played them like a violin. The press loves a novelty; it makes for a good magazine cover. With Rice in the race, the novelty of Hillary wears off. Indeed, Rice is a twofer: black and female. Speaks five languages and plays a mean classical piano.

Finally, to be crass about it, if you compare Rice's level of physical fitness to that of Hillary, well, let's just say that the joke is on the Dairy Queen.

Hillary's hopes lay on siezing women and minorities in such numbers as to overwhelm the votes of white males who will vote en bloc for a Jeb Bush or a Bill Frist. Rice destroys that entire strategy and forces Hillary to fight a defensive battle to maintain the latter's base vote.

As a pro-2nd Amendment, RKBA, pro-defense Republican, white males would be fairly secure in Rice's camp. As a Federalist and a believer in low taxes, she would secure her conservative base.

But again, one cannot wish away the abortion issue, and Rice will have to be more forthcoming as to her reasoning than she has been up to now.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

60 posted on 10/03/2002 1:54:55 PM PDT by section9
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