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Dowd: It's Hillary in 2008
NewsMax ^ | 10/3/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 10/03/2002 11:21:07 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: willyboyishere
"this country will come apart at the seems" ----a great pun I've never thought of...but things are never what they seam.....

LOL. Sometime I type the most foolish things...

101 posted on 10/03/2002 8:00:41 PM PDT by justsomedude
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Oh yeah: We want THIS reinfesting the White House again!

Hillary seen here employing the “Lewinsky Method” while scarfing a street weenie at a political function. Bill has requested that she NOT use this technique when he is in the area lest he have to quickly repair to the nearest lavatory – usually doubled over with his hat over his lap -- to avoid embarrassing himself (like THAT is a problem for Mr. Humiliation!).

NEVER FORGET: THESE PEOPLE MUST NEVER AGAIN INFEST THE WHITE HOUSE!

102 posted on 10/03/2002 8:36:17 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
So CWII starts around 2011 then?
103 posted on 10/03/2002 8:37:15 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: RLK

When Alan Keyes was running for president after being ambassador to the U. N. and having had a clear written and spoken record of positions on everything, people here howed bloody murder that his being inexperienced in public office disqualified him from consideration. Now we have this woman about whom we know very little and who has also not held public office being hysterically presented as the answer to everything. This is absolutely crazy.

First, allow me to say that I never criticized Alan Keyes because of his "inexperience".

Allow me to be polite: Alan Keyes is an egotistical blowhard. He couldn't get elected dogcatcher in a town run by cats. I don't care how right you think his positions are; any candidate who thunders at the masses as if he is delivering the Tablets from Mount Sinai has a problem. He hung around the primaries with McCain and Bush so he could get TV face time in the debates and natch, his show bombed. BTW, for me, the whole sweater thing was the final straw.

Believe me, we knew all that was necessary to know about Alan Keyes.

Condoleezza Rice is being promoted by me and others for two reasons:

1. She is as conservative a politician as I have seen come down the pike in some time, especially on RKBA issues. She is primarily libertarian on most of the issues of our time. Her position on national security is basically this: kill them before they kill us. In the meantime, form alliances when necessary to secure the national interest. This is all pretty basic stuff. You write as if she's some babe in the woods. She's not. And she's electable. Unlike Alan Keyes.

2. She can beat Hillary Clinton. None of the other ass-clowns in the Republican stable can, except perhaps Giuliani. Rudy cannot get nominated because he is so wildly pro-choice and pro-gun control that the farthest he'll get to the White House is Capitol Hill. Bill Frist is about as exciting as watching paint dry. Jeb Bush is a Bush and people won't want a Bush in 2008. JC Watts is leaving town. Steve Largent wants to be Oklahoma's governor. Trent Lott is a pansy. Tom Ridge is damaged goods. McCain is certifiable and has skin cancer. Bill Simon can't even get out of the starting gate against Grayout Davis. Ashcroft lost his election to a dead man. Christy Todd Whitman's legacy is the New Jersey Soprano Court. Pataki is a maybe, but I wouldn't count on it. What are we going to do? Dig up Richard Nixon? You know; tanned, rested, ready, and dead?

The cupboard is bare in 2008, my friend. We've got NOBODY once GW goes back to Crawford. Nobody except Condi. Thankfully, I think Karl Rove has figured this out.

Condi is not being promoted by me (I will speak for myself, here) because she is black. If I were promoting someone who was black for the sake of being black, Good God, I just might start thumping the tub for that crazy old battleaxe, Ezola Foster. But Condi is a woman, and I'm convinced that you need a woman to beat a woman, especially in 2008, when the idea of voting for a woman will be acceptable. There are just enough idiot women in this country to vote for the Hildebeast, and enough p----whipped men who think that Hillary Clinton is "intelligent" enough to be President. Don't believe me? Watch Alec Baldwin's mouth move.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

104 posted on 10/03/2002 9:17:31 PM PDT by section9
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To: section9
You are amusing and tragic at the same time. Republicans haven't done their homework...again. We keep losing the contest of brains, stamina, maturity, and ideas with people such as Dole and the apparently endless supply of Bushs along with some of the other goofs you have mentioned. The Democrats and the radical left fill the vacuum. Now people are seizing upon this new Rice character arising out of nowhere. What must happen, will happen.
105 posted on 10/04/2002 12:10:38 AM PDT by RLK
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To: Zack Nguyen
She is absolutely guranteed to run.

I still think there is a good chance she will run in 2004.Other than that,I agree with everything else you wrote.

107 posted on 10/04/2002 12:24:21 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: PhiKapMom
The new and improved RNC

There is nothing new about Rockefeller Republicans,and tthey MIGHT be a improvement over a sharp stick in the eye,but that's not for certain. Remember,these are the same idiots that thing Giddy Dolt would be a perfect Senator.

108 posted on 10/04/2002 12:27:10 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: sierradove
ABSOLUTELY "NO ONE" I KNOW IN CA WOULD VOTE FOR HILLARY - THIS IS A JOKE, RIGHT?

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A year and a half before the election, had you gone to New York you would have come back boasting nobody there would ever vote for Hillary. The polls, the anger of the Jews over the kissing Arafat thing, the scandals, all proved it was impossible. Hillary worked New York over and chaned all that. She ran a flawless campaign based on cognitive dissonance. She's right on course again with one of the shrewdest campaigns in American history while you people laugh and haven't caught on yet.

109 posted on 10/04/2002 12:29:10 AM PDT by RLK
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To: montomike
Run Rudy for president.

Right. And if THAT RINO doesn't want to run,get Hay-Raldo Rivera to run in his place. Hay-Raldo is probably more conservative.

110 posted on 10/04/2002 12:30:55 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: RLK
"She ran a flawless campaign based on cognitive dissonance."

I'm sorry to say that this concept is entirely too complicated for most of the participants on this thread, by "complicated," I mean that unless something can't be assessed at a glance, or if it requires more than a quick survey to comprehend, it elicits boredom and derision.

In contrast, the liberal-socialist axis studies things like cognitive dissonance, as it can be applied to thought reform, like a torturer studies sensitive nerve centers in an anatomy class.

111 posted on 10/04/2002 3:49:14 AM PDT by Mortimer Snavely
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To: Mortimer Snavely
"I mean that unless something can't be assessed at a glance..." = "I mean that unless something can be assessed at a glance... "
112 posted on 10/04/2002 3:51:59 AM PDT by Mortimer Snavely
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Right, left, right, left. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. Yup. In our lifetime."

The woman is delusional. Maybe a good night in the sack with a real man can bang her brain back to reality.

Total soccer-mom sans kids. What a joke!

113 posted on 10/04/2002 4:00:23 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: RLK
You are amusing and tragic at the same time. Republicans haven't done their homework...again. We keep losing the contest of brains, stamina, maturity, and ideas with people such as Dole and the apparently endless supply of Bushs along with some of the other goofs you have mentioned. The Democrats and the radical left fill the vacuum. Now people are seizing upon this new Rice character arising out of nowhere. What must happen, will happen.

First off, as far as talent and brains go, I would stack our people up against theirs anytime. Well, except for Trent Lott. It was that whole male cheerleader thing.

Look, the fact is, the name of the game is to sieze the center and hold it. People like Alan Keyes or Patrick J. Buchanan could never understand that. Everytime Pat Buchanan screamed "Culture War" (even though he was correct), average voters got scared. Visions of truckfulls of overweight guys dressed in brown swinging truncheons right and left filled the addled minds of the mushy middle. People like Bill Clinton took advantage of these latent fears of the "extreme right". A serial liar like him could win elections because he was shameless and was able to talk in code.

Democrats understand that to elect liberals they have to talk in a misleading code about "values" and try to hew as close as possible to the brain dead middle class moms of this world. Watch the New Jersey election: they'll be talking about "New Jersey values" as the Trenton Machine tries to isolate and define Doug Forrester.

This is basic, fundamental, propaganda. It goes back to the two pioneers of Twentieth Century propaganda, Paul Joseph Goebbels and Leni Riefenstahl, whose work for Hitler is acknowledged as some of the greatest pieces of persuasive work in history. The object of the exercise for Democrats is to use Geobbels' technique of making meaning out of meaninglessness to their advantage.

For instance; people in thier heart of hearts know that George W. Bush doesn't want to "do away" with Social Security. There's a national consensus that has existed since the New Deal about the subject. But this doesn't stop Democrats from practicing Goebbels' technique. Leave aside the merits of the Social Security ponzi scheme for a moment: people want it to be there and Democrats are always willing to tell the electorate that Republicans are going to throw old ladies out on the street.

Democrats, like the Nazis before them, count on the fact that there are more than enough stupid people to go around. There are plenty of stupid people in their base, of course, but what they really are banking on is the ability to get the independent swing voter to believe in simpleminded propaganda and cast the stupid vote.

And that's easy for them to do. Anyone who has not made up their minds by late October after a full year of campaigning and still needs to be convinced is, by definition, not only stupid but a monumental f&%ing idiot. Add to this fact that these last minute swing voters usually think of themselves as "high minded" independents and you see how they can be taken to the cleaners by a good agitprop campaign. Rubes like that are easy pickins' for the Clinton Democrats.

We can push conservatism as far as it will go, but what we cannot do is allow ourselves to be flanked on the left so that the Rat candidate can take the middle. A Republican candidate, to succeed, needs to be both right of center and reasonable in his conservatism. It is how Reagan succeeded and why Buchanan failed. This is an issue that is larger than Rice or whomever else happens to be running in '08. It's a question of political dominance going into the second decade of the 21st Century.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

114 posted on 10/04/2002 4:56:52 AM PDT by section9
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To: willyboyishere
You are right about those additional scandals. It is hard to keep track. Perhaps someday a real historian will write the "definitive" account of the Clinton years. In my opinion, the definitive account of early life and Governorship has already been written - "Partners in Power" by Roger Morris.
115 posted on 10/04/2002 5:44:01 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: sneakypete
Thanks for your comments. Regarding Hillary running in 2004, I very much doubt it, though I suppose anything is possible. The 2004 Dem crowd is a large one. A pack of malcontents, power-hungry zealots, liars and moral nitwits all, but still that means a mad scramble for donor $'s. Also, there is the spectre of Al Gore, who is running again and will command great grassroots support. No, unless something strange happens Hillary will not want to have to do the grunt work required to overcome six or seven challengers, because it is not a sure thing.
116 posted on 10/04/2002 5:48:38 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
No, unless something strange happens Hillary will not want to have to do the grunt work required to overcome six or seven challengers, because it is not a sure thing.

These challengers are just running interference,just like Rhino did for McBride in Florida. IF Bubbette! decides to run,they will be swept aside like panhandlers. Remember Kerrey retiring from the Senate,moving to NY,and making "presidential campaign in 2004" noises? Remember how quickly a "witness" to him and his SEAL platoon comitting a war crime by shooting up a village of innocent women,children,and old men appeared,and how this was on all the news outlets for days? Remember how quickly BOTH the "witness" AND the news stories dissapeared once he said he wouldn't be running? Fact it,as a MOH winner,a former Governor,AND a former US Senator,he was serious danger to Bubbette!'s White House plans.

While it should be obvious that she still has her stolen FBI records (and a round of applause for Bubba Bush please,for insuring these records were returned,and she prosecuted for stealing them.)it is less obvious that those records are time-sensitive for blackmail or pressure purposes. As the people investigated die off or retire from gooberment service,their blackmail value lessens. When their power to imtimidate lessens,so does Bubbette!'s power. She may not have the power in 2008 that she has in 2004.

And the above doesn't even address the obvious fact that she and her husband control the DNC,and the DNC controls Dim candidate purse strings. If the DNC pulls their financial and political support,they have to drop out of the primary. The only exceptions would be people like Mass Kerry or Lieberman,who have enough money to finance their own campaigns. Even then,Bubbette! can no doubt dictate to them by threatening their friends and/or family if they themselves are immune from blackmail.

When you add up weak candidates,aging FBI files,and aging Bubbette!,she's going to run in 2004 if she has the slightest hope of winning. If she gets Colin Powell as her running mate as I have been predicting,she wins. She may even win if she has to fall back on running with John McCain. Remember,Bush-1 had a 90+ favorable poll rating and had just "won" a war with Iraq before he was defeated by a hillbilly from Arkansas who nobody thought had a chance. Also remember this same hillbilly beat Bob Dolt,even after being impeached and all the pundits saying ANYBODY could beat Clinton.

117 posted on 10/04/2002 6:18:34 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
hillary will NEVER be president
118 posted on 10/04/2002 6:21:52 AM PDT by The Wizard
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
OK, where is the barf alert! I don't see one! If that ugly woman becomes president, I'm movin to Siberia!
119 posted on 10/04/2002 6:25:15 AM PDT by KLT
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To: sneakypete
I hadn't thought about there being a darker connection with Kerry and his war record. You may very well be right.

About 2004 - it depends on how strong Buhs looks. Hillary will remember the lessons learned in 1992, that a strong President can be defeated.

America has never really seen two politicans with the...appetite of Bill and Hillary Clinton. I always give them the edge in any contest because their lust for absolute power makes them able to sustain far more political and emotional pain than anyone they square off against. Consider the 1992 campaign. Pundits were predicting that Clinton would be pulling out "within a few hours" during the Flowers episode, then again during the draft episode, then again during the marijuana thing. Clinton would never quit, because he has no shame or remorse.

Bush was fortunate he wasn't running against Clinton in 2000, or we might still not have a President. I am only half joking. I am not sure that Clinton would ever have quit.

120 posted on 10/04/2002 7:27:35 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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