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Bush dead wrong about Iraq
Pahrump Valley Times ^ | 09/18/02 | JAMES BO GRITZ

Posted on 10/03/2002 3:24:16 PM PDT by Heartlander2

The Islamic Jihad will strike America after Bush invades Iraq. The level of violence and damage will likely exceed Sept. 11, 2001! This I can promise you.

Right now there are unguarded nuclear weapons in the U.S. waiting to be used by terrorists against us. Known as SADMs (Small Atomic Demolition Munitions) or "suitcase nukes," these pocket bombs have the blast power of 5,000 tons of TNT. Moreover, their surface radiation contamination and "fallout" magnifies the footprint of these man-portable weapons.

SADMs are part of the many Soviet Unconventional Warfare caches secreted throughout America (as we did in Europe) during the cold war in anticipation of general war between the USA and USSR.

There will be no extreme acts of Islamic terrorism in the United States if Bush does not massively damage innocent Arab lives, property, infrastructure and economic means. This I can also promise you.

The 9-11 attack was in direct retaliation for such "collateral" destruction during Desert Storm - even as Pam Am 103 (Dec. 1988) was retribution for the U.S. downing of an Iranian AirBus 300 (July 1988).

I am a loyal American citizen - not a mind reader, or in communication with any terrorist contact. The reason I know what will happen is because I understand the Holy Koran and Islam. I trained Afghan Muhajadeen, was an advisor in Saudi Arabia, and have conducted operations in East/West Africa (Muslims), Indonesia and Bangladesh. While this was more than 10 years ago, the Koran has not changed a single scintilla.

After the WTC and Pentagon bombings, I publicly assured Americans that there would be no further acts of Islamic violence as long as Bush did not go beyond reason in searching out and exterminating the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

The Koran is specific in concerning jihad warriors, revenge, and spiritual rewards. Islam cannot attack an enemy until attacked; then they must respond in a like degree - ergo following the Desert Storm blitz, the jihad targeted the WTC representing coalition economy, while the Pentagon was the primary military nerve center.

We had no Islamic terrorism in American until we attacked Iraq. The jihad assaults against the U.S. Marines in Beirut, U.S. Airmen in Saudi Arabia, and U.S. Navy in Yemen were in opposition to U.S. military occupation in Islamic nations. There are many ancient Arab sayings - the thrust of many being: If you don't want trouble with Arabs, leave them alone.

Not since the Goebbels and Hitler stage-production of the invasion of Poland, has the world witnessed such a snow job by the cast of George "mini-me" Bush and company trying to justify a second blitz of Iraq. They have failed to tie Saddam with Al-Qaeda, or prove that he has weapons of "mass destruction" beyond what we gave him during his seven-year war against Iran. What makes the Bushwhacker's cry for hair, eyes and teeth even worse is the means he intends to use.

General Wayne Downing is a friend of mine. Before serving in the White House as chief advisor to NSC-head Condoleezza Rice and Tom Ridge (Homeland Security), Wayne was CincSOCom (Commander-in-chief, Special Operation Command, at McDill AFB, Florida). Every Navy SEAL, Army Ranger, Paratrooper, Green Beret, and Delta Force operative was under his command. Wayne walked away from the White House on 26 June because he could no longer support the Bush plan for taking out Saddam Hussein.

The "Downing Plan" called for a small group of special forces working with Kurds and some dissident Iraqis to "cut the head off the snake" allowing the body to die, while placing only a handful of Americans in harm's way. Tommy Franks favored a 200,000-man military force to accomplish the same task. Bush gave the nod to Tommy and his army.

Back to my warning and promise. General Downing's plan is completely within the Muslim law forbidding any retaliation. The Bush-Franks solution demands an equal reaction - more homeland terrorism - this time possibly big-time!

More terrorism means more homeland defense. Where does it end? A slave is an example of a perfectly secure person. This is our country. We can stop the deployment of 18-year-old National Guardsmen and the invitation for greater terrorism in America. As individuals we can't do everything, but we can all do something. Notify our three congressmen to act for us in keeping our military guarding America so we can sleep peacefully at night. The Attorney General may say that Bush doesn't need Congress to attack Iraq, but it doesn't mean Congress can't bulldog mini-me before he stampedes the herd!


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Not in agreement with this, but tossing it in to see what happens... any Bo Gritz fans out there?
1 posted on 10/03/2002 3:24:16 PM PDT by Heartlander2
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To: Heartlander2
Right now there are unguarded nuclear weapons in the U.S. waiting to be used by terrorists against us. Known as SADMs (Small Atomic Demolition Munitions) or "suitcase nukes," these pocket bombs have the blast power of 5,000 tons of TNT.

GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR BRING ME DEATH!

2 posted on 10/03/2002 3:26:45 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Heartlander2
If these clowns could pull off these kinds of stunts they would have already. This thread may not last, nor should it.
3 posted on 10/03/2002 3:27:16 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Heartlander2
Wasn't this the same guy who fell for the POW's in Laos bandini scam that some clown in Bangkok was selling.

I mean, not to sell Bo short or anything, but the Downing plan depended on a lot of things going right at the same time.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

4 posted on 10/03/2002 3:28:12 PM PDT by section9
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To: Heartlander2
Pahrump....from the same people who bring you Art Bell.
5 posted on 10/03/2002 3:28:31 PM PDT by stilts
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To: Heartlander2
Any coward who hides behind our enemy's weapons as an excuse is no better than a boot licking toady of our enemy. They have declared war. WAR THEY SHALL HAVE!
6 posted on 10/03/2002 3:28:56 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Heartlander2
I just remind one and all that those who know are not talking.
7 posted on 10/03/2002 3:30:08 PM PDT by SubMareener
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To: Heartlander2
Bo don't know diddley!
8 posted on 10/03/2002 3:31:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Right now there are unguarded nuclear weapons in the U.S. waiting to be used by terrorists against us. Known as SADMs (Small Atomic Demolition Munitions) or "suitcase nukes," these pocket bombs have the blast power of 5,000 tons of TNT. GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR BRING ME DEATH!

Why not expend about one twentieth of our nuclear arsenal starting in North Africa following the Islamic cresent on through to Indonesia. We can rid the World of this scurge. We don't have to beg for death.

9 posted on 10/03/2002 3:33:33 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: Heartlander2
SADMs are part of the many Soviet Unconventional Warfare caches secreted throughout America (as we did in Europe) during the cold war in anticipation of general war between the USA and USSR.

Yeah, I brought this up a year or so ago because that ex-Russian (Colonel Lunev?) had mentioned in a radio interview that he knew for a fact that they had them stowed in the U.S.

Then several people jumped in saying that even if they were here, they require maintenance and would not be operational if just buried in the desert since 1970. Evidently they have more knowledge of nuclear weapons than I do, so I'll have to defer to their expertise...

But a couple of things we do know is that they do exist (even some ex-U.S. Army personnel have said that - designed to damage mountain passes, etc), and that they may be here. Whether they are operational, or whether they can be used for other purposes (contaminating something) I don't know...

10 posted on 10/03/2002 3:35:52 PM PDT by Who dat?
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To: Heartlander2
After the WTC and Pentagon bombings, I publicly assured Americans that there would be no further acts of Islamic violence as long as Bush did not go beyond reason in searching out and exterminating the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan

Mr. Gritz is functioning as a mouthpiece of the Islamic Jihad, is that it? Is that also really the case with all the other nutcases out therè? If so, why are they out of jail?

11 posted on 10/03/2002 3:36:27 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Heartlander2
In other words, we shouldn't fight these people, because they are a threat to us. We should, instead, wait for them to become a bigger threat to us.

Sorry, no.

If they do, in fact, possess the arms that are claimed for them, we need to dig them out, root and branch, wherever they may be hiding, and no matter what the cost.

12 posted on 10/03/2002 3:37:50 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Heartlander2
I wonder where Colonel Bo thinks the anthrax came from...
13 posted on 10/03/2002 3:38:05 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Heartlander2
... any Bo Gritz fans out there?

SPIKE

14 posted on 10/03/2002 3:38:38 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: Heartlander2
I Just Lost All Respect For That Man.........Gone, POOF!
15 posted on 10/03/2002 3:38:56 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: Heartlander2
If we take this guys advise we might as well surrender to Saddam today.
16 posted on 10/03/2002 3:39:57 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: jdege
Well Said!

He needs an A$$ Spanking!
17 posted on 10/03/2002 3:40:30 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: dfwgator
Bo don't know diddley!

LOL! You got that right. Besides, should we believe anyone with a name like Gritz? I mean I like my grits[z] with fish and lots of ole sour(salted key lime juice). But hell, I mean Bo Gritz! Sounds awful.

18 posted on 10/03/2002 3:41:42 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Heartlander2
I'm not sure but I think I heard him on Savage last night.
If its the same guy, he knows nothing about Nukes.
19 posted on 10/03/2002 3:41:59 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Heartlander2
The Islamic Jihad will strike America after Bush invades Iraq.

Any residual respect I had for Bo just vanished. He doesn't seem to understand the difference between the mind of a truly defeated enemy and an undefeated one. It may not end with Iraq, but I can guarantee Bo this: When President Bush's (mini-me?...what an a** you are, Bo Bo) vision of the war has played out, there will be NO MORE attacks on America by camel humpers.

20 posted on 10/03/2002 3:42:05 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
This man is a phoney and a legend in his own mind.

If all muslims religeously followed the koran, as Bo Gritz claims, and will never attack without provocation, how does he explain Iraq invading Kuwait? All the wars between the middle eastern countries over the centuries, the wars between worlords of muslim tribes?

How is it these peacefull Allah obedient people have killed each other for thousands of years?

Sounds like hogwash to me.

21 posted on 10/03/2002 3:43:23 PM PDT by rstevens
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To: Heartlander2
If this Pahrump, Nevada's newspaper, I would not be real supprised. Pahrump is located about 40 miles west by south of Las Vegas, thier largest cash producing business's are houses of ill-repute. (it is legal there since they are not in Clark county).

Suprising that this author lives there, I would have suspected San Francisco.

He?, does not have a clue.
22 posted on 10/03/2002 3:43:41 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: Heartlander2
Where does it end?

Nowhere, with this defeatest bozo.

McArthur said, "There is no substitute for victory." Over Islamism.

Bring it on!

23 posted on 10/03/2002 3:45:20 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
We must face this threat with courage and await the first blow, which is why I thought the words of Patrick Henry are in order. [We cannot nuke them simply because of this clouded report.] We demand liberty. We have no liberty if we are told that terrorists can get away with decimating our people by the thousands any day they want to, if we are told that some monster like Saddam is protected by nukes. I am willing to face death over this, just as citizen of this great country generally have since 9-11. We have never been cowed by anyone. And if they resort to nuclear weapons, Islam comes to a terrible end. You are right about that.
24 posted on 10/03/2002 3:46:10 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Heartlander2
This joker is dead wrong if he thinks that terrorist need any special incentive to attack America.
25 posted on 10/03/2002 3:46:59 PM PDT by Tempest
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To: Heartlander2
You forgot the tag this with a BARF ALERT!
26 posted on 10/03/2002 3:46:59 PM PDT by A. Morgan
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To: rstevens
Bo doesn't know much about Islam.

Qur'an (9:5) "Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, capture and besiege them and prepare for them every kind of ambush."

Qur'an (8:39) (2:193) "Make war on them until idolatory does not exist any longer and Allah's religion reigns universally."



27 posted on 10/03/2002 3:50:20 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Heartlander2
this dude is delusional or is trying to use misinformation to influence opinion and place blame before anything even happens. We cannot base decisions off of fear, which is why we also do not negotiate with hijackers and such.
28 posted on 10/03/2002 3:53:38 PM PDT by kinganamort
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To: Heartlander2
There will be no extreme acts of Islamic terrorism in the United States if Bush does not massively damage innocent Arab lives, property, infrastructure and economic means.

This sounds like we're dealing with extortionists, not terrorists. "Pay me protection money, and you're store won't burn down. Just think of it as insurance."

-PJ

29 posted on 10/03/2002 3:54:29 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Heartlander2
And so the blackmail begins. Dubya said if Saddam got nuclear weapons he would blackmail the world to get his way - looks like Dubya was wrong about when the blackmail would start.

If they want to be hunted down like wild animals in the streets of this country by both the authorities and vigilantes, Saddam's supporters should go ahead and escalate. Of course, it's unfortunate that some of their innocents will be caught in the cross fire, but if it comes to their innocents or ours, guess which choice we'll make.
30 posted on 10/03/2002 3:56:28 PM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: Heartlander2
So, why didn't they nuke us after we went into Afghanistan?
31 posted on 10/03/2002 3:56:31 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: Heartlander2
these pocket bombs have the blast power of 5,000 tons of TNT.

This guy can't even get his basic facts right. Their yield is around .1 Kt not 5kt. This casts doubt on the rest of the article.

32 posted on 10/03/2002 3:56:50 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: Heartlander2
SADMs (Small Atomic Demolition Munitions)

I have some info on them, buried within these:

Nuclear, Biological, & Chemical Warfare- Survival Skills, Pt. II

Nuclear News you *can* use--

33 posted on 10/03/2002 3:57:39 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Heartlander2
Gritz, who are you to make promises about jihad behavior or publicly assure anyone? Let me be as polite as I can here. Your full of sh*t.
35 posted on 10/03/2002 3:58:43 PM PDT by paul51
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To: All
Here's a link to some info about ADM's:

USAF Nuclear Weapons Specialist Home Page

36 posted on 10/03/2002 3:59:47 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: Heartlander2
Has Bo recovered from his self-inflicted gunshot wounds?
37 posted on 10/03/2002 4:00:19 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: Tempest
This joker is dead wrong if he thinks that terrorist need any special incentive to attack America.

Having lived and worked among arabs in the middle east for a couple of years, I wholeheartedly agree. Most arabs do not need an excuse to fuel their hatred of westerners. Fear is the only thing keeping them in check.

38 posted on 10/03/2002 4:01:39 PM PDT by DaBroasta
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To: okie01
I wonder where Colonel Bo thinks the anthrax came from...

Neo-Nazi, right-wing, militia-types.

39 posted on 10/03/2002 4:04:07 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Heartlander2
The Islamic Jihad will strike America after Bush invades Iraq. The level of violence and damage will likely exceed Sept. 11, 2001! This I can promise you.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've heard this crap before. "And the sand will run red with the rivers of blood." The thing that Hussein forgot to mention was that it was going to be Iraqi blood...
40 posted on 10/03/2002 4:04:20 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Heartlander2
There will be no extreme acts of Islamic terrorism in the United States if Bush does not massively damage innocent Arab lives, property, infrastructure and economic means. This I can also promise you.

This is an incredibly naive view of what we're up against in this war on terror.

Mr. Bo (Rambo) Gritz seems to believe that the Islamic extremists such as those who attacked us on September 11th act out of retaliation, that they are peaceful unless provoked. But such individuals are already filled with such a murderous hatred for the United States. They are already looking to exterminate us, whether we do anything against them or not. Regardless of our actions against Iraq, they want to kill us.

Preemptive strikes are our only option against such an enemy!

41 posted on 10/03/2002 4:04:29 PM PDT by Gelato
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This man is and always has been a mercenary. No telling who is paying him, and he probably don't care. Money and ego is and always has been this man's driving force. He must be at least 75 y/o by now. Just a delusional old man slipping into the twilight of his life.

His theory is if payback between rivals is just exactly the same, a bloody nose for a bloody nose, then the conflict can stop, but one breaks the others nose, then its time to take out an eye....

Mr Gritz is under estimating our CIC, military and will of the American people. Next big hit by them, will bring about their total destruction, and shame on their asses if its nuc or bio or chem. We will wipe them off the face of the earth.

Personally, I think OBL and his crew are running scared, never anticipated we would go to such retalitory measures like we did after 9/11. I believe they are totally confused and are praying to their Allah that one of their sleepers will not make a foolish mistake and try to target us again.

I think, if OBL is not dead, he knows we know exactly where is he and will take him out if another incident happens. We could take him out now, but the collateral damage is not worth it at this time. One more incident, I believe and he believes, will be his dying ass.

42 posted on 10/03/2002 4:05:05 PM PDT by rstevens
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To: Heartlander2
We had no Islamic terrorism in American until we attacked Iraq.

Uh, we removed Iraq from another sovereign nation, Kuwait. Iraq precipitated a worldwide action against it.

Bo Gritz has already had one nervous breakdown; sounds like he's on the verge of another.

43 posted on 10/03/2002 4:05:15 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Heartlander2
Listened to Bo Gritz give a speech for about ten minutes at a gun show once. A couple of years later, he tried to commit suicide by shooting himself in the chest.

He's an unstable wacko.

I haven't seen a recent picture of him, but someone might want to check to see if his skin has turned blue.

44 posted on 10/03/2002 4:06:21 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: LibWhacker
He doesn't seem to understand the difference between the mind of a truly defeated enemy and an undefeated one. It may not end with Iraq, but I can guarantee Bo this: When President Bush's (mini-me?...what an a** you are, Bo Bo) vision of the war has played out, there will be NO MORE attacks on America by camel humpers.

That philosphy hasn't exactly worked too well for the Israelis has it? And how much more defeated can the Palestinians be?
45 posted on 10/03/2002 4:08:02 PM PDT by jenny65
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To: Heartlander2
Can't call myself a fan, but he's no slouch.
46 posted on 10/03/2002 4:08:08 PM PDT by katze
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To: Heartlander2
Right now there are unguarded nuclear weapons in the U.S. waiting to be used by terrorists

These would be suitcase size, but way over the weight limit on airlines. Are there any? Total conjecture, hardly more than an initial assumption for an article.

If one of these is detonated, expect every apartment, meth lab, and hovel in America to be fine-tooth combed day and night by officials and deputies until everyone is satisfied there is no further danger. That would be a time of martial law as well, appropriately so. America will emerge clean and purged, and may remain clean and purged for quite a while afterwards. Then we may resume our regularly scheduled exercise of freedom.

47 posted on 10/03/2002 4:08:56 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Heartlander2
There will be no extreme acts of Islamic terrorism in the United States if Bush does not massively damage innocent Arab lives, property, infrastructure and economic means. This I can also promise you.

How can he promise?

The 9-11 attack was in direct retaliation for such "collateral" destruction during Desert Storm.

Manure. Al-Qaeda's goal is driving the United States out of the Middle East and in particular the Arabian Peninsula. They also have the goal of ending our support for Israel. They also have the goal of reestablishing the Islamic Caliphate and overthrowing governments in the region that they view as corrupt and replacing them with Islamic states. Mr. Gritz thinks that everything they do is a reaction to our actions and that if no action is taken on our part that they go dormant and have no other goals. Pure 100% unadulterated concentrated manure.

The reason I know what will happen is because I understand the Holy Koran and Islam.

So do lots of other people and almost none of them think that Al-Qaeda will sit on its hands if we cower in fear.

After the WTC and Pentagon bombings, I publicly assured Americans that there would be no further acts of Islamic violence as long as Bush did not go beyond reason in searching out and exterminating the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Makes no sense. He is saying that he knew that Al-Qaeda would not harm us as long as we only whipped their asses "reasonably". Good to know that Al-Qaeda is willing to take a "medium-size" butt whooping gracefully as long as we don't lay the "jumbo" on them. Nice guys.

The Koran is specific in concerning jihad warriors, revenge, and spiritual rewards. Islam cannot attack an enemy until attacked;

And even then only for "unreasonable" attacks not of the small to medium variety.

then they must respond in a like degree - ergo following the Desert Storm blitz, the jihad targeted the WTC representing coalition economy, while the Pentagon was the primary military nerve center.

Never mind that they used civilian airliners with women and kids on them as the weapon and also sought to fly into the capitol which is a symbol of the people through their representatives.

We had no Islamic terrorism in American until we attacked Iraq.

I guess throwing the wheelchair bound Mr. Klinghoffer overboard does not count. Nor does killing the Navy Seal who was just a passenger on an airliner. Nor does the kidnapping of journalists, teachers, and religous men in Beiruit. Nor does the seizure of the US Embassy in Tehran count as Islamic terror.

U.S. Navy in Yemen

The USS Cole was not occupying any Islamic nation, it was purchasing fuel and supplies during a port visit.

Troops in Saudi Arabia

US Troops in Saudi Arabia have never occupied Saudi Arabia. They are there at the behest of the Islamic Saudi government. Originally sent there at the behest of the Saudi government to protect it from other Muslims with a bit of a greedy streak. If Saudi Arabia publicly requested them to leave they would be gone inside a week.

Not since the Goebbels and Hitler stage-production of the invasion of Poland, has the world witnessed such a snow job by the cast of George "mini-me" Bush and company trying to justify a second blitz of Iraq.

Comparing Bush to Hitler eh? Mr. Gritz needs to head to Germany. He could probably get a hot date.
48 posted on 10/03/2002 4:10:12 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Heartlander2
Gritz is off the deep end.
49 posted on 10/03/2002 4:11:34 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To be charitable, Bo's been out of the intel loop for awhile now. We could shoot Saddam in the head in Macy's window on the 4th of July and half the Arab world would stand up and cheer. In fact, so would at least half of the Iraqis.
50 posted on 10/03/2002 4:14:02 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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