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Bush dead wrong about Iraq
Pahrump Valley Times ^ | 09/18/02 | JAMES BO GRITZ

Posted on 10/03/2002 3:24:16 PM PDT by Heartlander2

The Islamic Jihad will strike America after Bush invades Iraq. The level of violence and damage will likely exceed Sept. 11, 2001! This I can promise you.

Right now there are unguarded nuclear weapons in the U.S. waiting to be used by terrorists against us. Known as SADMs (Small Atomic Demolition Munitions) or "suitcase nukes," these pocket bombs have the blast power of 5,000 tons of TNT. Moreover, their surface radiation contamination and "fallout" magnifies the footprint of these man-portable weapons.

SADMs are part of the many Soviet Unconventional Warfare caches secreted throughout America (as we did in Europe) during the cold war in anticipation of general war between the USA and USSR.

There will be no extreme acts of Islamic terrorism in the United States if Bush does not massively damage innocent Arab lives, property, infrastructure and economic means. This I can also promise you.

The 9-11 attack was in direct retaliation for such "collateral" destruction during Desert Storm - even as Pam Am 103 (Dec. 1988) was retribution for the U.S. downing of an Iranian AirBus 300 (July 1988).

I am a loyal American citizen - not a mind reader, or in communication with any terrorist contact. The reason I know what will happen is because I understand the Holy Koran and Islam. I trained Afghan Muhajadeen, was an advisor in Saudi Arabia, and have conducted operations in East/West Africa (Muslims), Indonesia and Bangladesh. While this was more than 10 years ago, the Koran has not changed a single scintilla.

After the WTC and Pentagon bombings, I publicly assured Americans that there would be no further acts of Islamic violence as long as Bush did not go beyond reason in searching out and exterminating the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

The Koran is specific in concerning jihad warriors, revenge, and spiritual rewards. Islam cannot attack an enemy until attacked; then they must respond in a like degree - ergo following the Desert Storm blitz, the jihad targeted the WTC representing coalition economy, while the Pentagon was the primary military nerve center.

We had no Islamic terrorism in American until we attacked Iraq. The jihad assaults against the U.S. Marines in Beirut, U.S. Airmen in Saudi Arabia, and U.S. Navy in Yemen were in opposition to U.S. military occupation in Islamic nations. There are many ancient Arab sayings - the thrust of many being: If you don't want trouble with Arabs, leave them alone.

Not since the Goebbels and Hitler stage-production of the invasion of Poland, has the world witnessed such a snow job by the cast of George "mini-me" Bush and company trying to justify a second blitz of Iraq. They have failed to tie Saddam with Al-Qaeda, or prove that he has weapons of "mass destruction" beyond what we gave him during his seven-year war against Iran. What makes the Bushwhacker's cry for hair, eyes and teeth even worse is the means he intends to use.

General Wayne Downing is a friend of mine. Before serving in the White House as chief advisor to NSC-head Condoleezza Rice and Tom Ridge (Homeland Security), Wayne was CincSOCom (Commander-in-chief, Special Operation Command, at McDill AFB, Florida). Every Navy SEAL, Army Ranger, Paratrooper, Green Beret, and Delta Force operative was under his command. Wayne walked away from the White House on 26 June because he could no longer support the Bush plan for taking out Saddam Hussein.

The "Downing Plan" called for a small group of special forces working with Kurds and some dissident Iraqis to "cut the head off the snake" allowing the body to die, while placing only a handful of Americans in harm's way. Tommy Franks favored a 200,000-man military force to accomplish the same task. Bush gave the nod to Tommy and his army.

Back to my warning and promise. General Downing's plan is completely within the Muslim law forbidding any retaliation. The Bush-Franks solution demands an equal reaction - more homeland terrorism - this time possibly big-time!

More terrorism means more homeland defense. Where does it end? A slave is an example of a perfectly secure person. This is our country. We can stop the deployment of 18-year-old National Guardsmen and the invitation for greater terrorism in America. As individuals we can't do everything, but we can all do something. Notify our three congressmen to act for us in keeping our military guarding America so we can sleep peacefully at night. The Attorney General may say that Bush doesn't need Congress to attack Iraq, but it doesn't mean Congress can't bulldog mini-me before he stampedes the herd!


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To: tall_tex
According to the Las Vegas Mercury (9/19/02), BO lives in Sandy Valley. A little more from BO in the Mercury...

Former Green Beret Col. James "Bo" Gritz is warning of dire consequences in the event that American invades Iraq. Gritz lives in Sandy Valley these days, but previously performed numerous covert missions on behalf of the government over the years and says he was privvy to countless classified briefings. He alleges that several suitcase nukes were buried by Russian agents inside the U.S. during the darkest days of the Cold War and that a few of those hidden bombs have now been sold to Islamic militants. He predicts the Muslims won't use the nukes until the U.S. does something to warrant such a drastic step. An invasion of Iraq might qualify. As a footnote, the U.S. military has done plenty of work to develop its own suitcase nukes, which we named, oddly, SADMs (Small Atomic Demolition Munitions).

http://www.lasvegasmercury.com/2002/MERC-Sep-19-Thu-2002/19655759.html
51 posted on 10/03/2002 4:15:51 PM PDT by Heartlander2
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To: Rye
Neo-Nazi, right-wing, militia-types.

And where does he think they get the anthrax from? Because they sure as hell couldn't have weaponized it themselves.

52 posted on 10/03/2002 4:17:33 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Rocko
So, why didn't they nuke us after we went into Afghanistan

Because, like Bo said we responded in kind for the 9-11 attack, so now the ledger is balanced. If we don't bother them again, they won't bother us. The score has been evened.

Doesn't that sound silly?

This guy is a real whack job.

53 posted on 10/03/2002 4:20:11 PM PDT by rstevens
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To: Heartlander2
Pahrump? The same Pahrump which is home to the famous Chicken Ranch?


54 posted on 10/03/2002 4:20:38 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto
The Chicken Ranch and Leghorn Bar (www.chickenranchbrothel.com) 10511 Homestead Road Pahrump, NV

The CR is on the left (east) side of Homestead Road, just a block south of its intersection with Silver Street (where an airstrip for the Ranch used to run to the east along the northern edge of the property) and about 3 miles south of the branch Post Office on the southwest corner of Homestead's intersection with Kellogg Road. Majority owner Russ Reade has recently changed his establishment's long-standing policy of not having an Internet presence and has comissioned a website.

This bordello takes its name (and is the home of certain memorabilia) from the famous, but long-since closed, original Chicken Ranch in LaGrange, TX.

55 posted on 10/03/2002 4:23:35 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: Heartlander2
I think Jim-Bo is full of crap.
56 posted on 10/03/2002 4:23:45 PM PDT by exnavy
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To: Always Right
i agree, i think that if they hd the ability, manhattan would be glowing green now... these guys dont hold punches, as soon as its possible, and the timing is right, they strike. i saw later down the poster claim that "those who know arent talking"... just food for thought, but those wh dont know are also not talking. i have no clue how credible this guy is, but if he "knows" this, then Bush knows it too, and he would make appropriate steps, the guy isnt stupid. he is the single most informed person on this planet, and he still is undaunting in his will to attack iraq. im sorry, but this post is complete bunk...
57 posted on 10/03/2002 4:24:54 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Heartlander2
I'll bet that Bo Grites was a great soldier and great leader of soldiers. I'll bet he is very tactically proficient. You can be all of those things, while also knowing absolutely nothing about devising a sound strategy on the coalition or national level.

His points are well taken, but I think that they only provide a strong case for revamping our immigration laws, establishing our borders, and conducting large scale annihilation of those who would be both so foolish and so evil as to try to kill American citizens.
58 posted on 10/03/2002 4:25:05 PM PDT by Schmedlap
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To: Heartlander2
JimBo Gritz is a Lib'ral Ditz...MUD
59 posted on 10/03/2002 4:26:40 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: okie01
Good question. I assume he's sufficiently uneducated to believe that they stole it from some bio-lab in that weaponized state.
60 posted on 10/03/2002 4:29:36 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: jenny65
Oh, come on. Israel has had the kid gloves on since day one. Every time they even so much as scowled at Arafat, America is all over them to back off.

Give the Stupidstinians four years of real, unrelenting, vicious, murderous warfare (even if they do break and run after 3 minutes) and they'll be whimpering like babies for peace.

61 posted on 10/03/2002 4:33:18 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Schmedlap
I'll bet that Bo Grites was a great soldier and great leader of soldiers. I'll bet he is very tactically proficient. You can be all of those things, while also knowing absolutely nothing about devising a sound strategy on the coalition or national level.

Bo Gritz, like Col David Hackworth, were extremely brave and courageous leaders at the company and Battalion level. They lived among their troops being at the forefront of all combatative operations. They were practically worshipped by their troops. These officers had a propensity for visiting the local whorehouses and bars with their NCO's and lower enlisted ranks. They were considered great fighting leaders, but lacked that officer quality for commanding larger than Battalion sized units. This is why they both retired as colonels never getting close to the general rank.

I served with a Lt David Hackworth in the 40th Inf Div in Korea. I've never known a better platoon leader nor warrior than he.

A shame that the "Hack" never was able to progress into the higher leadership ranks of the US Army, but he was not a politician, he was a soldier's soldier.

62 posted on 10/03/2002 4:52:16 PM PDT by rstevens
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To: paul51
Your full of sh*t.

I am hereby reducing my role on this great forum to one and only one task.

To teach the distinction between "your" and "you're".

Your is a possessive pronouns:

Ex:"Is that your gun?"

You're is a verbal construct, in the form of a contraction. It means "you are."

Ex: "You're sure that is your gun?

63 posted on 10/03/2002 4:52:44 PM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o
Your is a possessive pronouns

Dammit.

Pronoun. Typo will be corrected as I continue my mission.

64 posted on 10/03/2002 4:55:31 PM PDT by don-o
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To: 45Auto
Rumour sprendin' a-'round
in that Texas town
'bout that shack outside La Grange
and you know what I'm talkin' about.
Just let me know
if you wanna go
to that home out on the range.
They gotta lotta nice girls.

Have mercy.

65 posted on 10/03/2002 4:58:05 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Heartlander2
The dude does not have a clue, if they have suitcase nukes, all they can do is blow them up with TNT and spread a little radiation around.

They use Tritium, which is a very short lived radiological element. If not maintained with NEW tritium every 6 months,it's a chunk of radioactive waste.

You don't go down to the local nuclear reactor and just pick some up.

Besides, if they had the damn things, they'd have already set them off. They don't need an excuse to attack us, they will no matter what we do.

Time to destroy them, before they try to destroy us.

I think they shot their load with 9/11 and are desperately running right now. They haven't had time to plan a another attack, let alone do one. They are a little busy running for their lives. The COWARDS!!!
66 posted on 10/03/2002 5:05:37 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Heartlander2
Isn't Bo Gritz the guy who showed up at a Neo-Nazi rally to read a speech, gave the Nazi salute, and said he wasn't sure what it (the salute) meant, but he wanted to show a sign of respect and greetings?
67 posted on 10/03/2002 5:36:58 PM PDT by theDentist
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To: LibWhacker
there will be NO MORE attacks on America by camel humpers.

I donno, Lib. I am not too sure these guys are going to take it laying down.

Regards

68 posted on 10/03/2002 7:10:11 PM PDT by biffalobull
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To: bashman34
Proof? It would seem absurd that if Islamic Jihadis had possession of such WMD's they would not use them as retaliation against our dismantling of the Sharia enforcing Taliban, but save them for when we attacked the very secular Saddam. Absurd.
69 posted on 10/03/2002 7:24:57 PM PDT by pistola
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To: Heartlander2
Well ... I don't think anybody can "promise" anything about Iraq.

This is just a scare tactic from a coward!

I'm still for "Give me liberty or give me death".
70 posted on 10/03/2002 7:36:02 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: Heartlander2
Anything from Bo Gritz is unworthy of this forum
71 posted on 10/03/2002 7:39:13 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: don-o
Actually, what I meant to type was...Your head is full of....

OK

72 posted on 10/03/2002 8:32:44 PM PDT by paul51
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To: Heartlander2
Bo Gritz is a washed up has been, an apologist for islamic terrorism, an iraqi pupppet and a general all around a$$hole.
73 posted on 10/03/2002 9:02:01 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Heartlander2
If a nuke goes off in America, no Islamic city in the world will be safe from the same fate for the next decade. That alone should forestall any such nuclear attack on our homeland. However, Bush should make this clear with a doctrinal statement.
74 posted on 10/03/2002 9:10:19 PM PDT by stryker
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To: rstevens
Not only that; how can he account for other attacks on America for the last 11 years, up to and including 9-11, when we hadn't provoked them? It's just like they were trying to get attention, and weren't getting it, so their attacks got worse and worse! I think they are trying to see how far they can push us, so even if we don't attack, or there's not much of a war, we still need to show force, or strength. For that's really the only thing these people respect!

Yeah there's always the possibility of revenge attacks, there are always risks involved. But there's also the risks in doing nothing. I don't think this man, and others like him realize this. They are not in the loop anymore, even though they may have contacts.

Besides, what makes them think that they, and those that agree with them, know more than all the people in the administration, and congress, and some of our allies know? They may mean well, but do they expect us to sit in our bunkers and holes and suck our thumbs? Who was it who said something about "peace through strength"?, I think it was Mr. Washington, but I'm not sure.

I don't recall Mr. Washington, and the others saying: "Let's hide in our homes and bunkers now, and wait until the British go home, we don't want them to get revenge on us, you know!"(grim chuckle). Anyway, we may still need to brandish a gun, but we can hope it might scare the enemy away. But if he doesn't, we better be ready to use it!
75 posted on 10/03/2002 10:05:22 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: Arkinsaw
He is saying that he knew that Al-Qaeda would not harm us as long as we only whipped their asses "reasonably". Good to know that Al-Qaeda is willing to take a "medium-size" butt whooping gracefully as long as we don't lay the "jumbo" on them. Nice guys.

LOL... Yep. I'm certain that a medium size whooping is all they were spoiling for.

76 posted on 10/03/2002 10:50:45 PM PDT by AFPhys
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To: Heartlander2
Bo Gritz is a complete and total nut. And this isn't the first time, nor first issue, where he's made a fool of himself.

The Islamic Jihad will strike America after Bush invades Iraq. The level of violence and damage will likely exceed Sept. 11, 2001! This I can promise you.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Bo Gritz doesn't have any better a crystal ball than I do, but I'm curious about why he selected 'Islamic Jihad' out of the many, many other Islamic and secular Arab-marxist-nationalist international terrorist groups that we currently face? Islamic Jihad is not particularly special as far as the debate about Iraq goes.

Right now there are unguarded nuclear weapons in the U.S. waiting to be used by terrorists against us.

Known as SADMs (Small Atomic Demolition Munitions) or "suitcase nukes," these pocket bombs have the blast power of 5,000 tons of TNT. Moreover, their surface radiation contamination and "fallout" magnifies the footprint of these man-portable weapons.

There is no proof that there are unguarded nuclear suitcase weapons here in the US, much less any proof that Iraq, Islamic Jihad, or any other group has obtained them for their use, or would be able to figure them out if they did have them. They aren't easy to set off. In fact, since none have been used, it's reasonable to assume that Islamic terrorists have NOT obtained such weapons because they would certainlt have used them by now.

SADMs are part of the many Soviet Unconventional Warfare caches secreted throughout America (as we did in Europe) during the cold war in anticipation of general war between the USA and USSR.

Allegedly. But as I said, they aren't easy to set off or take apart without Soviet information. I see though that Bo Gritz proves Bush's point that WMD in the hands of terrorists and terrorist states could be used as blackmail. Bo Gritz doesn't want the US to act because he is either afraid of Iraq retaliating with nuclear weapons, or because Bo Gritz supports Iraq for philosophical reasons.

If he is afraid that Iraq will retaliate using nuclear suitcase bombs, then his later claim in this article that Iraq has no WMD must be false; if Bo Gritz is against a US attack on philosophical grounds, why doesn't he just stick to that instead of making up nonsense about suitcase nukes in terrorist hands. He sounds like a loon telling the people on Flight 93 not to retaliate against the hijackers for fear the hijackers will slash more passenger's throats. "Just sit there," Bo says. "Just sit there- when they land they will negotiate with the authorities and then we will all be released. If we fight, they will kill us all." Sorry, Bo. This time we're not buying the line.

There will be no extreme acts of Islamic terrorism in the United States if Bush does not massively damage innocent Arab lives, property, infrastructure and economic means. This I can also promise you.

This is his most idiotic statement yet. Evidently Bo Gritz slept in over the millenium and missed the millenium plots, slept in through the Philippine hijacking plots, slept in through the first WTC bombing, and slept in on September 11, 2001.

The 9-11 attack was in direct retaliation for such "collateral" destruction during Desert Storm

Oh, really? How does Bo Gritz come to this conclusion? Does he have any evidence to support this assertion? No, he does not- that's why he didn't present his evidence but is instead blowing hot air to any willing to listen. Who CARES what THEY thought they were doing it for, it remains a FACT that they were wrong as a group as they do NOT have a right to avenge anything. Only governments have a right to avenge, not individuals. Individuals can only act in defense, not as vigilantes. The hijackers had no authority to carry out revenge on a country for the alleged offenses against a country that doesn't even claim them. Get it? the people of their countries didn't grant them the power or the authority to act in their name. Not through election, nor through tolerance of their rule.

Unless ol' Bo Gritz wants to admit that Iraq had a hand in 911 and gave the hijackers the authority to act in Iraq's name to avenge the Gulf War. But Iraq won't even admit that, so the hijackers are on their own, and as such, they are morally wrong. No people gave them the Authority of the Avenger's Sword. That Authority can only be given to government, and from government to its ministers and public servants.

The only people who think otherwise are the moral equivalency crowd. And their philosophy is so bankrupt it would mean our destruction and the destruction of constitutional law.

- even as Pam Am 103 (Dec. 1988) was retribution for the U.S. downing of an Iranian AirBus 300 (July 1988).

Pan Am 103 and the Iranian Airbus was not related to 9/11 and is irrelevent when it comes to lending insight into the mindset of totally unrelated terrorist groups, each of whom has their own philosophies and methods, some religious and some secular marxist or nationalist or both. I suppose in Bo Gritz's world, our downing of the Iranian Airbus was in retaliation for the 'Hostage Crisis,' the taking of the US embassy in Iran. (It was not, but it could be accepted as 'fact' by people who don't know their history just as easily as people would accept as fact Bo Gritz's junk about 9/11.)

I am a loyal American citizen - not a mind reader, or in communication with any terrorist contact. The reason I know what will happen is because I understand the Holy Koran and Islam. I trained Afghan Muhajadeen, was an advisor in Saudi Arabia, and have conducted operations in East/West Africa (Muslims), Indonesia and Bangladesh. While this was more than 10 years ago, the Koran has not changed a single scintilla.

Bo Gritz has been known to grossly exagerate his past and to mislead people in order to obtain money; I have no reason to doubt he's doing it again right here. His tale of POW rescues reek of things other than 'patritotism.' He doesn't know the Koran any better than I do, for only an idiot would believe that everyone who reads the Koran interprets it the same way. That's not even true of the Bible... that's why there are so many sects in Islam, and why so many of them call eachother heretics and persecute one another with as much gusto as they persecute Christians and Jews and Hindus. In that sense, the interpretation of the Koran changes CONSTANTLY, depending on the reader's own biases. People see in it exactly what they want to see in it, and ignore the rest... that's human nature. Somewhere there is a Muslim 'Bo Gritz' proclaiming that he understands Christians because he 'knows' the Bible and has seen what the IRA does and worked with the IRA in Libya...

77 posted on 10/03/2002 11:44:27 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Heartlander2
After the WTC and Pentagon bombings, I publicly assured Americans that there would be no further acts of Islamic violence as long as Bush did not go beyond reason in searching out and exterminating the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Well, here's proof that Bo Gritz is an erronous old fool. Did he forget about the Singapore plot, right after 911 and before we even went into Afghanistan? Did he forget the Shoe Bomber? The Morocco plot? That curious downing of an airliner ion Rockaway, NY? The LAX shooter? Jose Padilla? The plot on the US embassy in Italy, immediately after 9/11? did he make his assertions before or after the anthrax mailings? Evidently Bo has a very selective memory- there were many things caught after 9/11 in all stages of preparation. Some imminent, some less so, some just ideas among many other ideas.

The Koran is specific in concerning jihad warriors, revenge, and spiritual rewards. Islam cannot attack an enemy until attacked;

According to the Koran, suicide is prohibited too- but depending on the personal desires of those who read it, they can twist it around until they can find a way to make suicide OK. The palestinians read it one way by ceremonially dying BEFORE they carry out a suicide bombing; the 911 terrorists twisted the Koran another way by claiming that they weren't committing suicide at all because they were engaged in a mission like any other mission, except that in this case the chances for survival were slimmer, and death would be an INDIRECT result of their mission, not the point of the mission. But because this view was contrary to conventional Islam's admonition against suicide, Atta didn't tell every hijacker what the mission was all about, for fear that one or more would refuse to go beyone a hijacking into suicide and ruin his mission.

Bo Gritz forgets that zealots- religious or otherwise- can fabricate whatever incident they need to justify what they do. Bo Gritz does the same thing with his selective worldview. He pulls out what he needs to support his argument and ignores all evidence that does not. The Koran is the same... he says. If the Koran were interpreted the same way, the Wahhabi Salafists would not need to persecute the Shiite and the Sunni, and muslims in the Middle East wouldn't consider American muslims like Farakhan to be heretical. Anyone who says Farrakhan's faith is the same as Khomeini's or some Kuwaiti citizens' is a fool. They don't share the same faith at all- they only share the same hate. If the Koran's commentary on Jihad were all interpreted the same, the Palestinians, young and old, would long ago have blown themselves to bits; but instead, they depend on young fools who don't have wisdom nor even real faith in anything because getting people to go on suicide missions isn't as easy as the leadership would like you to believe, nor is suicide so acceptable in Islam as the bad guys want us to fear. The average Iraqi soldiers we encountered in the Gulf War weren't suicidal nor were they murderous...they just wanted to surrender to anyone in order to live.

then they must respond in a like degree - ergo following the Desert Storm blitz, the jihad targeted the WTC representing coalition economy, while the Pentagon was the primary military nerve center.

Oh, but I thought al Qaeda got their revenge with the bombing fo the US embassies in Africa, and the attempted bombing of the USS The Sullivans, and the bombing of the USS Cole? The fact is, you can take ANY action and claim it is in revenge for some other action. People who do things ALWAYS claim it was in revenge, and if you go far enough back in history you can ALWAYS find some reason, however twisted, to justify an action you are going to carry out anyway. Bo Gritz forgot that the Gulf War was 'in revenge' for Hussein invading Kuwait, so anyone that uses the Gulf War as an excuse for terrorism is essentially saying that revenge is justified to avenge revenge. Bo should say what he really means: "Muslim terrorists are always right, the US is always wrong, and we should hug the Muslims for doing us the favor of bringing us to justice."

78 posted on 10/03/2002 11:50:36 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Heartlander2
We had no Islamic terrorism in American until we attacked Iraq.

FALSE. For one, we did NOT attack Iraq. Iraq attacked Kuwait, and so Iraq started the Gulf War. We RETALIATED against Iraq, get it, Bo? WE RETALIATED. (Is this really Bo Gritz? He used the word "American" like an Arab or Chinese guy would here instead of the word "America.")

SEPTEMBER 1970 : (HIJACKING) TWA #741 and Pan Am #93 hijacked by the PFLP and flown to Amman, Jordan. (US civilian planes, although this wasn't 'in' the US)

1974 : (ABU NIDAL WAS FOUNDED WITH IRAQI HELP) Abu Nidal Organization (ANO) was established with Iraqi help and had its main office in Baghdad until 1982. Like its Arab rivals, Iraq has often preferred to "contract out" direct actions which pose a high risk of discovery. - "Saddam's Spies," Globalscan International, LLC, 1999
(* My note: I added this because it was Abu Nidal which sent agents INTO the US well before the Gulf War to assassinate US officials and their families- among them, Col. Oliver North and his family. I doubt seriously that that was the only thing Abu Nidal ever did here, as Hussein was long notorious for eliminating his enemies, including Iraqi defectors in other countries, if they were vocal agaisnt his rule.)

1974 - 1982 : (ABU NIDAL WAS BASED IN BAGHDAD, IRAQ THROUGH 1982) Abu Nidal also was based in Bagdhad later after its expulsion from Libya. Abu Nidal turns up conveniently dead in 2002 in Baghdad- wouldn't be prudent for ol' Abu Nidal to be around for Hussein's TRIAL, would it? No telling what ol' Abu Nidal knows aboiut Saddam Hussein and his acts against the US.

AUGUST 31, 1979. (CALIFORNIA : JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) Violence at Hare Krishna temple in San Diego. (Jamaat al Fuqra, see also Jamaat ul Fuqra.)

NOVEMBER 21, 1979. (NEW YORK : JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) Violence at Islamic-Iranian temple in Queens, NY.

1970s - early 1980s : (JAMAAT UL FUQRA FOUNDED BY SHEIKH MABARIK ALI GILANI, FIREBOMBINGS) The annual report on the Patterns of Global Terrorism during 1998 issued by the Counter-Terrorism Division of the US State Department states as follows of the Jamaat-ul-Fuqra: "Seeks to purify Islam through violence. Members have purchased isolated rural compounds in North America to live communally, practise their faith and insulate themselves from Western culture. Fuqra members have attacked a variety of targets that they view as enemies of Islam, including Muslims they regard as heretics and Hindus. Attacks during the 1980s included assassinations and fire bombings across the US. Fuqra members in the US have been convicted of criminal violations, including murder and fraud." (AL GILANNI is an associate of bin Laden. Notice he got started in the US LONG before the Gulf War.)

DECEMBER 9, 1981 : (BLACK PANTHERS, WESLEY COOK MURDERS OFFICER FAULKNER, MUMIA) Black Panther Wesley Cook shoots 25-year-old Philadelphia Police Officer Danny Faulkner. Upon being shot, Faulkner falls to the ground. Wesley Cook stands over the injured young policeman and fires repeatedly into his face. Cook also attempts to murder a second police officer. Four different black eyewitnesses testified at Cook's trial and clearly identified this animal as the bestial murderer. Three other black witnesses testified that they clearly heard a laughing Cook say, "I shot the motherf*****, I hope the motherf***** dies." In prison, Cook did what most black criminals do: he "found" Islam. He changed his name to Mumia Abu Jamal. Suddenly, his case became a cause celebre for a number of groups. Black racists, whose fanatic hatred for all whites and all police has been documented repeatedly on this web site, viewed Mumia as a hero for having murdered another white "pig." Self-hating Jews, who always support the most demonic degenerates ever to crawl on the face of the earth, also quickly embraced this vicious Jew-hater.

SEPTEMBER 1, 1982 - JULY 1983: (ARIZONA, OREGON, CALIFORNIA, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACKS) Violence at Islamic Cultural Center in Tempe, Arizona, July 1983. The Hotel Rajneesh in Portland is bombed. Three pipe bombs are placed in a fourth-floor room of the hotel by Stephen P. Paster of Los Angeles, who is reportedly one of the organizers of Fuqra in America.

AUGUST 8, 1983. (MICHIGAN, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) Dr. Mozaffar Ahmad, a leader of the Muslim sect Ahmadiyya Movement, is shot to death in Canton, Mich., a Detroit suburb. Police identified William Cain of Akron, Ohio, as the killer. Cain and another Fuqra member, Calvin Jones, die shortly thereafter while setting a fire at the Ahmadiyya Center on Detroit's west side.

1984 : (BAZ ENTERS THE US) Rashad Baz enters the US on a student visa. He would later attack Hasidic jews on the Brooklyn Bridge in March of 1994.

1984-85 : (BAZ ATTENDS COLLEGE IN US) Rashad Baz attends communty college. He would later marry a US citizen and apply for and receive legal residency on that basis. He would then go on to attack Hasidic jews on the Brooklyn Bridge in March of 1994.

JUNE-JULY, 1984. (MISSOURI, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) A defective bomb was found at the Kansas City, Mo., Vedanta Society temple. No arrests have been made.

AUGUST 1, 1984 : (WASHINGTON, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) John Liczwinko of Seattle, affiliated with the Seattle Vedanta Society, is attacked.

AUGUST 1, 1984 : (COLORADO, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) The Hare Krishna temple in Denver is firebombed. Documents obtained in a 1989 raid indicate that the bombing was "apparently perpetrated" by a Fuqra cell then living in Englewood, Colo. Aug. 1, 1984.

AUGUST 1, 1984 : (KANSAS, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) A Hindu physician, Srinivasu Dasari, of Overland Park, Kan., is kidnaped. Victim remains missing, presumably dead.

AUGUST 1, 1984 : (WASHINGTON, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) Three East Indians are shot to death in a suburb of Tacoma, Wash. No suspects arrested.

FEBRUARY 1, 1985 : (COLORADO, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) Fire breaks out at a Leetsdale, Colo., power station. June 22, 1985.

FEBRUARY 1, 1985 : (TEXAS, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) Islamic mosque in Houston is attacked.

JULY 5, 1985. (ILLINOIS, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) The Vat Thothikalam Lao in Rockford, Ill., is attacked. Dec. 1, 1985. Laotian temple in Rockford, Ill., is attacked.

JANUARY 27, 1986: (FLORIDA, AL ARIAN USF CASE) The University of South Florida College of Engineering hires Sami Al-Arian.

MAY 28, 1986. (JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) Randell Gorby of Bethany, W.Va., who was linked to the Hare Krishna temple in Philadelphia, is attacked and injured.

MAY 1988 : (IRAQ STARTS AFLATOXIN RESEARCH) Starts research on aflatoxin at a laboratory in al Salman. Its method was to grow fungus aspergilus in 5.3 quart flasks (The Center for Strategic and International Studies, “If We Fight Iraq: Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction,” revised 28 June 2002) .- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor (I include this because Iraq's nuclear program was already well underway with German and Brazilian help as of this point, and yet Iraq started research on Aflatoxin- aflotoxin isn't what any other nation would consider a good bioweapon, because Aflotoxin isn't rapid-acting. Instead, it works over a long period of time to cause horrible cancers- cancers, I might note- just like those Iraq blames on depleted uranium shells used by the coalition. Such a thing would be useful to a country which wants to hurt its enemies without its enemies even being aware that they have been hit by another state. Aflotoxin would also be useful in creating a crisis and blaming it on others, don't you think? )

SEPTEMBER 17, 1988. (GEORGIA, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) A doctor was shot to death in front of Humana Hospital in Augusta, Ga. by someone linked to Jamaat al Fuqra

OCTOBER 20, 1988: (FLORIDA, AL ARIAN USF CASE) Al-Arian incorporates the Islamic Concern Project, an umbrella organization that includes the Islamic Palestine, or ICP, a charity dedicated to Palestinian causes and telling Americans about the Palestinian Intifada.

DECEMBER 1988: (PAN AM #103 BOMBING, LOCKERBIE) Pan Am #103 bombed over Lockerbie, Scotland; 270 people killed. Libyan leader Moammar Khadaffy's son involved.

1989 : (OREGON, IRAQI SCIENTISTS ATTEND PORTLAND SYMPOSIUM) Three scientists from Al Qaqaa attended a 1989 symposium at Portland, Oregon, on detonation physics, hosted by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. According to a U.S. customs agent involved in the capacitor case, these scientists inquired about krytrons at the conference. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

1989 : (BAZ MARRIES A US CITIZEN TO GET LEGAL STATUS) Rashad Baz marries a US citizen to enable him a better chance in applying for legal residence later and extend his stay. He would succeed and be given legal residency. He would later attack Hasidic jews on the Brooklyn Bridge in March of 1994.

NOVEMBER 1989 : (IRAQ DEVELOPS AFLATOXIN BOMBS, TESTS ROCKETS) Develops 16 R-400 Aflatoxin bombs, and conducts trials in 122mm rockets.ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor - Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT

1990 : (WMD, SCIENTIST KARL-HEINZ SCHAAB IS SOUGHT BY GERMAN AUTHORITIES FOR SALES TO IRAQ) German scientist Karl-Heinz Schaab is sought by German authorities since 1990 on charges of selling German uranium enrichment technology to Iraq before the Gulf War. . - "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

1990 : (SHEIK OMAR ABDEL RAHMAN COMES TO THE US) Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman came to the US with a history of alleged but unproven involvement in terrorism. He had been detained by Egypt's security services after the assassination of President Anwar Sadat in 1981. In spite of this he was admitted to the US and no investigation of him took place for the next two or three years. - "FBI Wary of Investigating Extremist Muslim Leaders: Agency May Rethink Hesitancy on Religious Figures," By Walter Pincus, Washington Post Staff Writer, Monday, October 29, 2001; Page A04

1990s : (RAHMAN SPREADS HATE IN THE US) Once in the United States, Rahman rose to a position of prominence in the Islamic communities centered in northern New Jersey and parts of New York City. During the early 1990s, Rahman was one of a number of radical imams who appeared at Arab American gatherings across the US, "collecting money and preaching religious views antagonistic to the United States and its interests," a former FBI official said. Two of Rahman's sons went to Afghanistan to work with bin Laden, and one would later be pictured at bin Laden's side - "FBI Wary of Investigating Extremist Muslim Leaders: Agency May Rethink Hesitancy on Religious Figures," By Walter Pincus, Washington Post Staff Writer, Monday, October 29, 2001; Page A04

1990s : (TEXAS, AL-HALLAK, EL-HAGE, BIN LADEN) Moataz Al-Hallak, funamentalist Islamic cleric, ran a mosque in Arlington, Tex., where at one time he assisted in the purchase of a small airplane requested by Wadih El-Hage, then bin Laden's personal secretary. Witnesses in the embassy bombings trial also identified Moataz Al-Hallak as a fundamentalist cleric in the US with ties to bin Laden. - "FBI Wary of Investigating Extremist Muslim Leaders: Agency May Rethink Hesitancy on Religious Figures," By Walter Pincus, Washington Post Staff Writer, Monday, October 29, 2001; Page A04

JANUARY 31, 1990. (ARIZONA, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) Rashad Khalifa, controversial Muslim leader in Tucson, Ariz., is stabbed to death.

? 1990 : (NOSAIR, NY KAHANE ASSASSINATION, RAHMAN) ElSayyid A. Nosair assassinates Jewish activist Meir Kahane in New York. Nosair is a follower of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who later is linked to the first WTC bombing and a bomb plot against the UN in NY.

MARCH 1990 : (IRAQIS ARRESTED TRYING TO SMUGGLE CAPACITORS THROUGH LONDON) Iraq is caught trying to smuggle military-standard and specification detonation capacitors from CSI Technologies of San Marcos, California. The capacitors' many applications include nuclear weapons as well as conventional warheads and military laser systems. An implosion system can use this type of detonation capacitor, which stores large amounts of electrical energy, with a high-speed electronic switch, called a "krytron." This assembly can supply within a fraction of a microsecond a burst of electrical energy to the detonator or blasting cap which sets off the conventional high explosives. Following an 18-month undercover investigation by the U.S. Customs Service in collaboration with the British government, five persons were arrested in London and the capacitors they were carrying—they had been given dummies instead of real ones—were confiscated. Customs officials identified the end-users for the capacitors as the Al Qaqaa State Establishment, the top-secret facility involved in developing missiles and explosives for Iraq's Ministry of Industry and Military Industrialization. German intelligence believes that Al Qaqaa, which has experience with modern conventional high explosive and high-speed measurement technologies, was given responsibility to develop the non-nuclear components of a nuclear explosive device. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

MARCH 30, 1990 : (MASSACHUSETTS, JAMAAT AL FUQRA-RELATED ATTACK) The Islamic center in Quincy, Mass., is attacked

(And this is just a sampler mainly from my jamaat al Fuqra files, but they were not the ONLY group in the US)

79 posted on 10/03/2002 11:59:45 PM PDT by piasa
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(continued response to Bo Gritz)...

The jihad assaults against the U.S. Marines in Beirut, U.S. Airmen in Saudi Arabia, and U.S. Navy in Yemen were in opposition to U.S. military occupation in Islamic nations.

Horsecrap, the US had gone into Lebanon to rescue Arafat's sorry but from Israel. As thanks, our embassy and our barracks were bombed, and the stinking Syrians shot down some of our aircraft and captured some pilots. The Beirut bombings were done at the behest of Syria, and the issue was over Syria OCCUPYING the country of Lebanon and using it as a base from which to launch attacks on Israel. Syrian and Iranian backed terrorists in Lebanon massacred the Lebanese army, the Christians, detroyed their churches, killed their priests, and the place has been a mess ever since, even now the only complaint from the Arab world is "how dare the Christian Lebanese fight back and how dare Sharon let them do it."

Terrorists are not representatives of anyone and as such have been given no legitimate authority, not from government nor from the people under such governments. It simply isn't up to them to determine what is and what is not 'occupation' and they have no right to protest against anything but their own government. It is their government's responsibility to act, not theirs. Terrorists neither have the official sanction of government in so-called 'occupied' countries nor the elected authority of the people in 'occupied' countries whom they falsely claim to represent. That's why they are illegitimate- they have been given no power, no authority by the people.

The attack on the US embassy in Beirut, by the way, was planned by Imad Mugniyah. He was one of Arafat's followers in the Fatah organization before coming onto Hezbollah, and is unofficially backed by Iran and Syria. But he has no official backing, nor any elected backing, which means that he's illegitimate and is no Islamic 'patriot.' He was a participant in the Cold War on the side of the communists, although he himself is more of a nationalist; it was an enemy of my enemy sort of thing. Imad Mugniyah is NOT an Islamic religious terrorist. Neither is Arafat. They are in it for other reasons, and the Koran is not one of them.

The US is not OCCUPYING any Islamic nation against that nation's wishes, nor was it doing so then. The fact is, Islamic terrorists are OUTLAWS. Their actions are no different than if a US citizen decided to bomb the Canadian embassy in DC, or the Australian embassy because an Aussie aircraft carrier was visiting Norfolk. Arab terrorist actions are no different than if a German citizen decided to bomb NATO headquarters or NATO bases. No different than if a US citizen bombed the Saudi embassy in DC for their operation of Madrassas in the US. Heck, US citizens have never even bombed an Iraqi embassy in the US. Why? Because we're not terrorists.

There are many ancient Arab sayings - the thrust of many being: If you don't want trouble with Arabs, leave them alone.

Here's an old American one the Arabs would do well to learn: Don't tread on me." Add to that, "...or America will kick your ass."

Not since the Goebbels and Hitler stage-production of the invasion of Poland, has the world witnessed such a snow job by the cast of George "mini-me" Bush and company trying to justify a second blitz of Iraq.

The only snow I see is coming from Bo Gritz.

They have failed to tie Saddam with Al-Qaeda,

I guess in Bo Gritz's world, we would never have fought Italy and Germany because we couldn't prove they were directly responsible for Pearl Harbor, nevermind the axis and nevermind those incidents with German subs that preceded our part in WW2. We never said we had to tie Iraq in with al Qaeda, for the obvious reason that al Qaeda was not alone in using terrorism against the US, not even alone on 9/11. We're looking for everyone responsible for 9/11 and that includes states and persons 'unknown.'

But nonetheless, we did find that al Qaeda was training in Iraq, we did find that Iraqi officials traveled to meetings in Afghanistan with the Taliban, we did find that an Iraqi intelligence officer met with Atta the 911 hijacker, we do know that Iraq was trying to attack Radio Free Europe, we have found that Yousef (entered the US on an Iraqi passport) of WTC-1 fame, we do know that Iraq tried to assassinate a former US president, and we do know Iraq was backing Abu Nidal which has indeed carried out operations in the United States against US citizens.

JANUARY 2000 : (IRAQI AHMAD HIKMAT SHAKIR, MALAYSIA) U.S. officials said Shakir was present at a January 2000 al Qaeda "summit" in Malaysia that was attended by two of the 9/11 hijackers. Authorities believe the summit may have been a planning session for both the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole and 9/11. - "Iraqi a Missing Link," by Aly Sujo, NY Post

OCTOBER 2001 early : (SALMAN PAK, IRAQ) : Two Iraqi National Congress activists in London travelled to eastern Turkey. They had been told that a Mukhabarat colonel had crossed the border through Kurdistan and was ready to defect. The officer - codenamed Abu Zeinab - had extraordinary information about terrorist training in Iraq. In a safe house in Ankara, the two London-based activists took down Zeinab's story. He had worked at a site which was already well known - Salman Pak, a large camp on a peninsular formed by a loop of the Tigris river south of Baghdad.
However, what Zeinab had to say about the southern part of the camp was new. There, he said, separated from the rest of the facilities by a razor-wire fence, was a barracks used to house Islamic radicals, many of them Saudis from bin Laden's Wahhabi sect, but also Egyptians, Yemenis, and other non-Iraqi Arabs.
Unlike the other parts of Salman Pak, Zeinab said the foreigners' camp was controlled directly by Saddam Hussein. In a telephone interview with The Observer, Zeinab described the culture clash which took place when secular Baathists tried to train fundamentalists: 'It was a nightmare! A very strange experience. These guys would stop and insist on praying to Allah five times a day when we had training to do. The instructors wouldn't get home till late at night, just because of all this praying.'
Asked whether he believed the foreigners' camp had trained members of al-Qaeda, Zeinab said: 'All I can say is that we had no structure to take on these people inside the regime. The camp was for organisations based abroad.' One of the highlights of the six-month curriculum was training to hijack aircraft using only knives or bare hands. According to Zeinab, women were also trained in these techniques. Like the 11 September hijackers, the students worked in groups of four or five.
In Ankara, Zeinab was debriefed by the FBI and CIA for four days. Meanwhile he told the INC that if they wished to corroborate his story, they should speak to a man who had political asylum in Texas - Captain Sabah Khodad, who had worked at Salman Pak in 1994-5. He too has now told his story to US investigators. In an interiew with The Observer, he echoed Zeinab's claims.
Zeinab and Khodad said the Salman Pak students practised their techniques in a Boeing 707 fuselage parked in the foreigners' part of the camp. Yesterday their story received important corroboration from Charles Duelfer, former vice chairman of Unscom, the UN weapons inspection team.
Duelfer said he visited Salman Pak several times, landing by helicopter. He saw the 707, in exactly the place described by the defectors. The Iraqis, he said, told Unscom it was used by police for counter-terrorist training. 'Of course we automatically took out the word "counter",' he said. 'I'm surprised that people seem to be shocked that there should be terror camps in Iraq. -"The Iraqi Connection" The Observer http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741676/posts?page=1

OCTOBER 2001 : (IRAQI AHMAD HIKMAT SHAKIR, JORDAN) The Iraqi, Ahmad Hikmat Shakir, 37, was picked up October 2001 in Amman, and his passport showed he had recently traveled to Pakistan, Yemen and Malaysia, all key terror trouble spots. A search of one of his apartments turned up telephone records linking him to suspects in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing as well as a 1994 Philippine-based plot to blow up civilian airlines over the Pacific Ocean. - "Iraqi a Missing Link," by Aly Sujo, NY Post

NOVEMBER 2001 : (JORDAN, IRAQI SHAKIR, AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL) Amnesty International wrote to the Minister of Interior in November seeking assurances that Ahmad Hikmat Shakir was being humanely treated and not subjected to any kind of ill-treatment or torture as well as seeking information about his whereabouts, the reasons for his arrest, and whether any charges had been brought against him. By the end of January 2002 no reply had been received.

SEPTEMBER 26, 2002 Thursday : (IRAQ, AL-QAEDA) WASHINGTON, (Reuters) - Senior al Qaeda leaders have been in Baghdad "in recent periods," U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Thursday. "We certainly have evidence of senior al Qaeda who have been in Baghdad in recent periods. Whether they're currently there or not one never knows, because they're moving targets," he said, of the movement blamed by Washington for the Sept. 11 attacks on America that killed around 3,000 people. "If you're asking if it (intelligence) is current -- in the last period of days or weeks -- the answer is yes," the secretary said. ((Charles Aldinger, Washington newsroom, charles.aldinger@reuters.com)

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or prove that he has weapons of "mass destruction"

Yes, the UN inspectors did indeed find weapons of mass destruction, even Scott Ritter admits that Iraq has WMD and that Iraq used WMD. UNSCOM actually destroyed some of it and it's in all the records. They forced iRaq to admit to it when UNSCOM presented proof. That Iraq has WMD isn't even in question now.

1979 - 80s : (IRAQ AND BRAZIL MAKE OIL FOR URANIUM DEAL) Kucinsky recounted how in the '70s and '80s, Brazil's military regime forged an agreement with the Iraqi government, based on established relations regarding civilian work contracts granted to Brazilian companies. That agreement, he said, would oblige Brazil to ship uranium to Iraq in exchange for a steady oil supply after the 1979 oil crisis. "There was a strong possibility of oil from Iraq being interrupted," recalled Kucinsky. "In those days, the Brazilian state company (Petrobras) depended largely on Middle East oil Unlike the U.S. policy, Brazil didn't attempt to diversify its sources." Because Brazil relied heavily on Middle Eastern oil (more than 70 percent of its imports came from that region), officials in the regime were "panicked at the time," said Kucinsky. "They said that was the reason (for shipping uranium to Iraq); they wanted an exchange of two forms of energy," he recounted. - "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

1979 - 1990 : (BRAZIL EXPORTS MANY TONS OF URANIUM TO IRAQ) An investigation by Jornal da Tarde and its parent publication, Estado de Sao Paulo, claims that Brazil exported "dozens of tons" of uranium to Iraq between 1979 and 1990 in undocumented deals. - "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

1980s early : (IRAQ INQUIRES ABOUT PURCHASING PLUTONIUM) In the early 1980s, senior Iraqi military figures were interested in buying more than 30 kilograms of plutonium from an Italian arms smuggling ring that claimed to have such material for sale. The deal fell through when the smugglers were unable to produce any plutonium. As the amounts of plutonium in international and national commerce increase, security will need to tighten to prevent these materials from being stolen. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

1980s : (IRAQ) Spying, subverting and murdering are the common currency of many of the Arab world's intelligence services. Iraq's was virtually unique however in establishing an extensive arms and technology procurement network in the 1980s. Set up to bypass international controls on arms imports, the network focused on acquiring technologies, hardware and personnel to supply Iraq's massive nuclear, chemical, biological weapons and missile programs. Although the effort began in the 1970s, in the 1980s it was largely directed by Hussein Kamil who used Amn al Khas to run the operation. Other agencies had limited roles as the effort was kept highly classified and compartmentalised. This acquisition network operated through a host of front companies which have since been identified by Western governments. Not all of this network has however been dismantled. UNSCOM's eighth report, issued on 11 October, demonstrates that the network is still very much alive and, indeed, has to some extent, been rebuilt. UNSCOM discovered that Iraq had restarted its efforts to buy parts for its Ababil surface to surface missile programme. Acquisitions, carried out through middlemen and front companies, included "equipment, technologies, supplies and material." Iraq had initially claimed that these parts had been produced domestically but now admits that they were imported throug its covert network. - "Saddam's Spies," Globalscan International, LLC, 1999

1980-1988 (IRAN-IRAQ WAR, IRAQ USES WMD) Gulf War (Iran-Iraq) Iraq uses chemical weapons and works on biological weapons.

1981 or before : (BRAZIL SHIPMENTS OF URANIUM TO IRAQ) Word of clandestine uranium shipments from Brazil to Iraq first surfaced in a 1981 report by Bernardo Kucinsky, a former correspondent for Britain's Guardian newspaper. Now a professor of journalism at Sao Paulo University, Kucinsky told UPI that Brazil didn't really "smuggle" uranium to Iraq some 20 years ago. Rather, it engaged in "secret shipments without the knowledge of the Americans or international nuclear regulatory authorities." - "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

1981 : (BRAZIL SELLS IRAQ 8 TONS OF URANIUM) The Brazilian military had sold eight tons of uranium to Iraq in 1981, according to a Brazilian congressional investigation later in 1994, which also reported that after Brazil's successful ballistic missile program was ended, the general and 24 of the scientists working on it went to work for Iraq. There are reports that with financing from Iraq, a nuclear weapons capability has been covertly maintained contrary to directives from the civilian democratic leaders.- "Blocking a New Axis of Evil," by Constantine C. Menges, The Washington Times, August 7, 2002

JUNE 7, 1981 : (ISRAEL BOMBS IRAQI NUCLEAR REACTOR, BRAZILIAN SCIENTISTS HELPING IRAQ) What aroused suspicions at the time that Brazil's relationship with Iraq wasn't what it appeared was the June 7, 1981, bombing by Israeli fighter jets of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in Osirak. "This is what attracted attention to the whole issue," he said. Twenty-one years later, a possible new clue to the exact nature of Brazilian-Iraqi ties is adding further credence to the theory that Brazil indeed sold weapons-ready uranium to Iraq in exchange for help in developing its own nuclear program. Jornal da Tarde reported last week that about 40 Brazilian scientists were in the Osirak power plant during the 1981 Israeli bombing. "This brings forth the suspicion that this agreement between Iraq and Brazil was not only in exchange for oil but also there was some sort of nuclear, scientific cooperation between the two countries to develop nuclear weapons," Kucinsky said. - "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

1982 : (IRAN IRAQ WAR, USSR) The war appeared to be entering a new phase in which the superpowers were becoming more involved. For instance, the USSR, which had ended military supplies to both Iran and Iraq in 1980, resumed large-scale arms shipments to Iraq in 1982 after Iran banned the Tudeh and tried and executed most of its leaders. Thus, despite its professed neutrality, the USSR became the major supplier of sophisticated arms to Iraq.

1982 , end of year : (IRAN IRAQ WAR, IRAQ RESUPPLIED BY USSR) By this time, Iraq had been resupplied with new Soviet materiel, and the ground war entered a new phase. Iraq used newly acquired T-55 tanks and T-62 tanks, BM-21 Stalin Organ rocket launchers, and Mi-24 helicopter gunships to prepare a Soviet-type three-line defense, replete with obstacles, minefields, and fortified positions. The Combat Engineer Corps proved efficient in constructing bridges across water obstacles, in laying minefields, and in preparing new defense lines and fortifications.

1984 : (IRAN-IRAQ WAR, USSR, FRANCE SUPPLY ARMS, IRAQ USES WMD AGAINST IRAN) Beginning in 1984, Baghdad's military goal changed from controlling Iranian territory to denying Tehran any major gain inside Iraq. Iraq tried to force Iran to the negotiating table. Saddam Hussein sought to increase the war's manpower and economic cost to Iran. For this purpose, Iraq purchased new weapons, mainly from the USSR and France. Iraq also completed the construction of what came to be known as "killing zones" (which consisted primarily of artificially flooded areas near Basra) to stop Iranian units. In addition, according to Jane's Defence Weekly and other sources, Baghdad used chemical weapons against Iranian troop concentrations and launched attacks on many economic centers.

1984- 1988 : (IRAN-IRAQ WAR, IRAQ ATTACKS IRANIAN NUCLEAR REACTOR ) Iraq launched seven air attacks on the Iranian nuclear reactor at Bushehr between 1984 and 1988 during the war, ultimately destroying the facility.

1984 : (IRAN IRAQ WAR, TANKER WAR) Iraq expanded the so-called tanker war by using French Super-Etendard combat aircraft armed with Exocet missiles.

FEBRUARY 1984 : (IRAN IRAQ WAR, WAR OF ATTRITION) The Iraqi command ordered the use of chemical weapons.

1984 : (IRAN-IRAQ WAR) Iraq returns borrowed French Super Etendard aircraft armed with Exocets to France and purchased approximately 30 Mirage F-1 fighters equipped with Exocet missiles to use against Iranian shipping.

MARCH 1986 (Late) : (IRAN IRAQ WAR, WAR OF ATTRITION, WMD) UN secretary general, Javier Perez de Cuellar, formally accused Iraq of using chemical weapons against Iran. Citing the report of four chemical warfare experts whom the UN had sent to Iran in February and March 1986, the secretary general called on Baghdad to end its violation of the 1925 Geneva Protocol on the use of chemical weapons. The UN report concluded that "Iraqi forces have used chemical warfare against Iranian forces"; the weapons used included both mustard gas and nerve gas. The report further stated that "the use of chemical weapons appear[ed] to be more extensive [in 1981] than in 1984." Iraq attempted to deny using chemicals, but the evidence, in the form of many badly burned casualties flown to European hospitals for treatment, was overwhelming.

JULY 1986 : (IRAN IRAQ WAR, WAR OF ATTRITION, UN, WMD) According to a British representative at the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva in July 1986, "Iraqi chemical warfare was responsible for about 10,000 casualties."

1987 : (IRAQ, HUSSEIN GETS SERIOUS ABOUT NUKES) Saddam Hussein got serious about acquiring technology and equipment for nuclear weapons in 1987. Two different organizations were involved in the procurement and development tasks for his clandestine nuclear program: The first, Al Qaqaa State Establishment, located in Iskandariya near Baghdad, was thought to be in charge of developing the non-nuclear components for a nuclear weapon, German intelligence documents say. The second, Nassr State Enterprise in Taji, also near Baghdad, was said to be responsible for Iraq's uranium enrichment effort. Independently of these organizations, IPC agents in Europe actively sought weapon and uranium enrichment technology and equipment as well. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

MAY 17, 1987 : (IRAN IRAQ WAR, TANKER WAR, US, IRAQ ATTACKS USS STARK, IRAN FIRES ON KUWAIT) Iraqi missile attack on the USS Stark, in which thirtyseven crew members were killed, draws the US in at Kuwait's side. Baghdad apologized and claimed that the attack was a mistake. Washington sent its own ships to the Gulf to escort eleven Kuwaiti tankers that were "reflagged" with the American flag and had American crews. Iran refrained from attacking the United States naval force directly, but it used various forms of harassment, including mines, hit-and-run attacks by small patrol boats, and periodic stop-and-search operations. On several occasions, Tehran fired its Chinese-made Silkworm missiles on Kuwait from Al Faw Peninsula.

1988 : (GERMAN CENTRIFUGE EXPERT MEETS IRAQIS) Bruno Stemmler, a former centrifuge expert at the German firm MAN Technologien GmbH, met secretly with Iraqi centrifuge design engineers in 1988. Before 1988 the German firm H&H Metalform Ltd. sold Iraq flow forming machines, which could shape the preforms into thin centrifuge rotor tubes or outer missile casings. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

1988 : (IRAN-IRAQ WAR, WAR OF THE CITIES) In response to Iranian missile attacks against Baghdad, some 190 missiles were fired by the Iraqis over a six week period at Iranian cities in 1988, during the 'War of the Cities'. The Iraqi missile attacks caused little destruction, but each warhead had a psychological and political impact -- boosting Iraqi morale while causing almost 30 percent of Tehran's population to flee the city. The threat of rocketing the Iranian capital with missiles capable of carrying chemical warheads is cited as a significant reason why Iran accepted a disadvantageous peace agreement.

MARCH 1988 ?: (IRAN IRAQ WAR, WAR OF ATTRITION, WMD, HALABJA) Iraq was again charged with a major use of chemical warfare while retaking Halabjah, a Kurdish town in northeastern Iraq, near the Iranian border.

MARCH 1998 : (BRAZIL REFUSES TO EXTRADITE GERMAN SCIENTIST KARL-HEINZ SCHAAB FOR SALES TO IRAQ) Brazil's Federal Supreme Court turned down an extradition request for Schaab, saying he was charged with a politically motivated crime, which meant that under Brazilian law, could not be extradited. Schaab had been sought by German authorities since 1990 on charges of selling German uranium enrichment technology to Iraq before the Gulf War.- - "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

MAY 1988 : (IRAQ STARTS AFLATOXIN RESEARCH) Starts research on aflatoxin at a laboratory in al Salman. Its method was to grow fungus aspergilus in 5.3 quart flasks (The Center for Strategic and International Studies, “If We Fight Iraq: Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction,” revised 28 June 2002) .- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

1988 : (GERMANS BRUNO STEMMLER & WALTER BUSSE GO TO IRAQ & VISIT FACTORY 10 IN IRAQ) - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

1989 : (IRAQ PURCHASES US CAPACITORS) Iraq was able to buy about 150 lower-quality capacitors from Maxwell Electronics, a California-based firm. The head of that company speculated that Iraq may have upgraded these capacitors. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

1989 : (IRAQI SCIENTISTS ATTEND PORTLAND SYMPOSIUM) Three scientists from Al Qaqaa attended a 1989 symposium at Portland, Oregon, on detonation physics, hosted by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. According to a U.S. customs agent involved in the capacitor case, these scientists inquired about krytrons at the conference. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

NOVEMBER 1989 : (IRAQ DEVELOPS AFLATOXIN BOMBS, TESTS ROCKETS) Develops 16 R-400 Aflatoxin bombs, and conducts trials in 122mm rockets.ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor - Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT

1990-1991 Gulf War (Desert Storm) Iraq prepares biological weapons for possible use.

1990 : (WMD, SCIENTIST KARL-HEINZ SCHAAB IS SOUGHT BY GERMAN AUTHORITIES FOR SALES TO IRAQ) German scientist Karl-Heinz Schaab is sought by German authorities since 1990 on charges of selling German uranium enrichment technology to Iraq before the Gulf War. . - "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

1990 : (BRAZIL APOLOGIZES FOR TECH TRANSFERS TO IRAQ) Brazilian president Fernando Collor de Mello apologized for the technology transfers, which he called "potentially significant." - "Brazil: Trying to Give Up Missiles" from The Risk Report,Volume 1 Number 3 (April 1995) Page 4.

MARCH 1990 : (IRAQIS ARRESTED TRYING TO SMUGGLE CAPACITORS THROUGH LONDON) Iraq is caught trying to smuggle military-standard and specification detonation capacitors from CSI Technologies of San Marcos, California. The capacitors' many applications include nuclear weapons as well as conventional warheads and military laser systems. An implosion system can use this type of detonation capacitor, which stores large amounts of electrical energy, with a high-speed electronic switch, called a "krytron." This assembly can supply within a fraction of a microsecond a burst of electrical energy to the detonator or blasting cap which sets off the conventional high explosives. Following an 18-month undercover investigation by the U.S. Customs Service in collaboration with the British government, five persons were arrested in London and the capacitors they were carrying—they had been given dummies instead of real ones—were confiscated. Customs officials identified the end-users for the capacitors as the Al Qaqaa State Establishment, the top-secret facility involved in developing missiles and explosives for Iraq's Ministry of Industry and Military Industrialization. German intelligence believes that Al Qaqaa, which has experience with modern conventional high explosive and high-speed measurement technologies, was given responsibility to develop the non-nuclear components of a nuclear explosive device. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

JULY 1990 : (IRAQ, SPIN FORMING MACHINES CONFISCATED BEFORE DELIVERY) The U.S. official also said that Iraq ordered spin-forming machines, which can shape centrifuge endcaps, from another Swiss firm, Schaublin. But the machines were confiscated in July 1990, before they could be shipped to Iraq. The same official said that Iraq acquired seven machine tools, which he described as simple computer-controlled lathes. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

AUGUST 1990 : (IRAQ, GERMANY ENDS TRAINING OF IRAQI ENGINEERS) Immediately after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, the German Foreign Office issued an internal memo to its export control officials. The document ordered an end to a training program three German firms had been conducting for Iraqi engineers, "in the light of newest evidence of German involvement in the nuclear weapons field in Iraq, and threatening political complications [arising from] such a suspicion." The training program was part of a concerted Iraqi effort to overcome what Western experts believe was its nuclear Achilles heel, lack of skilled personnel. The three firms—one of which was Interatom GmbH, which supplied staff from its advanced reactor department—had been training the engineers for nearly a year before the export control office was informed of the full scope of the training program. The Iraqis were on the staff of a Baghdad organization known as Industrial Project Company (IPC), which the Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency, believes is at the pinnacle of Iraq's entire military procurement effort. Although Interatom officials told German export authorities that the transfer of nuclear know-how was forbidden, customs agents emphasized that IPC staff expressed a keen desire to get specific and extensive nuclearrelated information. IPC is also behind a company called Al Fao General Establishment, in Baghdad. According to U.S. and Israeli intelligence reports, Al Fao has been active in procuring missile technology for Iraq. A U.S. government expert said that Al Fao wanted laboratory equipment from Interatom which could be used as a clean room for manufacturing missile guidance systems, or centrifuge components needed to enrich uranium for use in nuclear weapons. A work room, German investigators said, was the first dual-use (civilian-military) export to Iraq which was stopped after Kuwait was overrun. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

1990 : (IRAQ INVASION OF KUWAIT EXPOSES BRAZILIAN TECH TRANSFERS TO IRAQ) The best known is Hugo de Oliveira Piva, who has been called "Brazil's Dr. von Braun." A former head of CTA (Centro Tecnico Aeroespacial) (Aerospace Technical Center), Brazil's premier missile lab, he was caught in Iraq with a team of Brazilian missile experts when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. Piva then humiliated his government by taking as long as he could to come home. "Piva's name comes up a lot," the U.S. official says. In a recent interview with the Brazilian newspaper Istoe, Piva said he would view the resumption of Brazilian missile projects with satisfaction. "I regard these projects as my children whom I used to hold on my lap." Piva's "children" may be the MB/EE and SS-series missiles Brazil was working on during the 1980s. A consortium of Brazilian firms known as Orbita was trying to develop a medium-range missile based on the Sonda-IV space rocket with foreign financing. As a missile, the rocket could carry a 500 kilogram payload up to 1,800 kilometers, almost as far as the U.S. Pershing II missile. Avibras, Brazil's largest weapon exporter, was also working on a line of surface-to-surface missiles known as the SS-300 and the SS-1000. - "Brazil: Trying to Give Up Missiles" from The Risk Report,Volume 1 Number 3 (April 1995) Page 4.

1990 : (IRAQ CLAIMS IT CAN MAKE CAPACITORS Soon after the March 1990 London arrests of Iraqi capacitor smugglers, Saddam Hussein asserted that his Ministry of Industry and Military Industrialization had succeeded in producing similar capacitors. While this claim cannot be verified, in 1989 Iraq was able to buy about 150 lower-quality capacitors from Maxwell Electronics, a California-based firm. The head of that company speculated that Iraq may have upgraded these capacitors. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

SEPTEMBER 1990 : (WMD, IRAQ EFFORT TO DEVELOP NUCLEAR BOMB) After the invasion of Kuwait, Iraq launches a “dash for the bomb”, hoping to complete construction within a year.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

NOVEMBER 1990 : (IRAQ ENRICHED URANIUM CHECKED BY IAEA- STILL THERE) The biggest immediate concern was that Iraq would construct one nuclear explosive out of a small amount of highly enriched uranium which remained in its civilian nuclear program. This material was committed to peaceful uses and inspected every six months by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which last checked in November and found the material intact. But the possibility existed that Iraq would snatch the material between inspections and use it in a bomb. Even now it is impossible to say where this material might be. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

DECEMBER 16, 1990 : (IRAQ CASCADE SYSTEM OPERATING?) On the 16th, the London Sunday Times claimed that Iraq had a cascade operating at Tuwaitha the location of Iraq's known nuclear facilities, which are inspected by the IAEA. The German scientist who had secretly worked with Iraq, Bruno Stemmler, called this assertion ridiculous. He said that developing a cascade would be "far, far more difficult" than balancing a rotor in a single centrifuge. Iraq would need large quantities of uranium hexafluoride, computerized control equipment to maintain precise pressures and temperatures throughout the cascade, autoclaves for inserting uranium hexafluoride into the cascade, and desublimers for withdrawing it. Although Stemmler thought that Iraq would have little trouble obtaining a power supply (frequency inverter) for a single rotor assembly, getting the power supply for an entire cascade would prove "extraordinarily difficult." The Sunday Times also claimed that Iraq was mass-producing centrifuge components at a facility code-named Factory 10, located northwest of Baghdad. Stemmler and a colleague, Walter Busse, visited the factory in 1988. Both said that they saw no evidence that Iraq was manufacturing centrifuge components at the facility, although Stemmler said he saw what might have been a single outer casing of a centrifuge. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

JANUARY 1991 : (GULF WAR, IRAQ TESTS CROP SPRAYING HELICOPTERS) Tests run on crop spraying helicopters, to test their suitability for spraying biological weapons. - Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

FEBRUARY 1, 1991 : (GULF WAR, US WARNS IRAQ ABOUT WMD) SecDef Cheney warns U.S. will retaliate if Iraq uses chemical or unconventional weapons.

1991 : (POST GULF WAR, IRAQ, UNSCOM BEGINS OPERATIONS) UNSCOM began operations in Iraq - "Saddam's Spies," Globalscan International, LLC, 1999

1991 - present : (IRAQI OIL REVENUES DEPOSITED IN NY FOR THE PURCHASE OF FOOD , ETC, ARE MANIPULATED BY IRAQ TO OBTAIN CASH) Saddam's thuggish older son, Uday, controls the first of two Iraqi procurement networks. Its primary purpose is to flood the U.N. sanctions committee with export requests to trigger the release of funds from the escrow account with the BNP in NY City where since 1991 the proceeds from Iraq's oil revenues have been deposited. In some cases, the former Iraqi officer (AL-HAIDER?) said, Uday uses cutouts and middlemen to sign fictitious contracts with European companies for goods such as food and medicine that routinely are approved by the United Nations. "Once the contracts are approved, the money is released from the escrow account," he says. "Iraq then pays the company up to 40 percent for the paperwork, and lets them keep the goods. Saddam desperately needs the 60 percent in cash for forbidden goods and could care less about food or medicine." French exporters, interviewed by Insight, explained yet another finesse of Saddam's commercial network. They said they had been approached by an Iraqi front company known as ALIA, based in the Garden district of Amman, Jordan. "Uday uses ALIA to squeeze a 10 percent commission from exporters that gets kicked back to the regime," an exporter tells Insight. Large companies such as Renault Vehicules Industriels, Schneider Electric SA and Dow Agrosciences have used ALIA to sell several hundred million dollars worth of U.N.- approved goods to Iraq, according to export documents obtained by Insight. The Iraqi purchases included off-road vehicles, large quantities of specialized pumps and chillers that could be used for uranium enrichment, 2,000-liter and 5,000-liter reactor vessels needed to produce chemical weapons and chemicals for pesticides. All ostensibly were sold for civilian purposes and approved by the U.N. sanctions committee in New York. In France, ALIA also is known as SOFRAG ALIA Development France, according to the documents. It applied to the United Nations for permission to export $1 million worth of oil-well logging equipment to Iraq under an approved program to rebuild Iraqi oil fields. Such equipment is particularly sensitive because it includes neutron generators which U.N. weapons inspectors discovered were key components in the crude gun-implosion nuclear device Iraq had designed and tested before the 1991 gulf war - "How Saddam Got Weapons of Mass Destruction" By Kenneth R. Timmerman, Insight Magazine via WorldNetDaily.com , Tuesday, October 1, 2002 ,

1991-1997 : (UNSCOM FOUND 27 TONS OF BRAZILIAN URANIUM IN IRAQ) An International Atomic Energy Agency report says that U.N. weapons inspectors, during a 1991-97 investigation into Iraq's nuclear capabilities, found some 27 tons of uranium originating from Brazil. However, according to Brazil's Jornal da Tarde newspaper, which recently reprinted a 1990 expose entitled "The dark history of the relationship between Brazil and Iraq," Brazil sold three large shipments of uranium to Iraq in clandestine transactions- "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

MARCH 1991 : (IRAQ STOCKPILE OF URANIUM) Iraq has only 12.3 kilograms of 93 percent enriched uranium, some of which might fuel the Tammuz II research reactor at Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center near Baghdad. The material was intended for the 40-megawatt Osiraq reactor, destroyed by Israel in 1981 just before it was scheduled to begin operating. Iraq also has about 10 kilograms of 80 percent enriched uranium at the 5-megawatt IRT-5000 reactor supplied by the Soviet Union. Up to two-thirds of the enriched uranium has been irradiated in the reactor and would require remotely operated chemical processing to extract the highly enriched uranium, a step that would have been difficult for Iraq to accomplish quickly, even before the bombing of Tuwaitha. The unirradiated highly enriched uranium, however, could be added to the 93 percent material, possibly providing Iraq with just enough material for a crude bomb. - "Iraq and the Bomb: Were They Even Close?", By David Albright and Mark Hibbs, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, March 1991, Volume 47, No. 2, pp. 16-25

APRIL ? 1991 : (IRAQ LIES TO UN ABOUT BIOWEAPONS) Iraq tells UN that it has never had any biological materials, weapons, research or facilities.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

AUGUST 1991 : (IRAQ FINALLY ADMITS TO BIOWEAPONS PROGRAM) Iraq admits to a biological weapons research programme- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

1993 : (IRAQ DRAINS SWAMPLANDS) The Iraqi government began draining the swamplands, where the Shiites lived. This made it so they could not grow rice, which was an important source of food.

1993 : (SOUTH AFRICA, AL QAEDA, WMD, NUKES) Bin Laden operatives reportedly also tried to buy enriched uranium in South Africa in 1993.(Could this also be related to the Iraqi atttempt to obtain enriched uranium in Africa referred to by the UK Prime Minister, Tony Blaire?)

1994 : (IRAQI SCIENTIST KHIDIR HAMZA) Iraqi scientist Khidir Hamza defects from Iraq- "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

1995 : (IRAQ BIOWARFARE TESTS) "Unscom inspectors also came up with evidence suggesting that Iraq carried out biological weapons tests on human beings in 1995." - "Ritter: Baghdad 'possesses three nuclear bombs,'" by Christopher Walker, Times of London, 9/10/98

JULY 1995 : (IRAQ ADMITS ITS PROGRESS IN BIOWEAPONS DEVELOPMENT) Iraq admits to have made substantial progress in its biological weapons programme, making just under 30,000 litres of biological agents and filled munitions. This included 19,000 litres of Botulinium, 8,400 liters of antrax and 2,000 liters of aflatoxin and clostridium- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

AUGUST 1995 : (IRAQ ADMITS IT HAS PRODUCED BIOLOGICAL BOMBS) Iraq admits to having produced 191 biological bombs, of which 25 were missile warheads which had been loaded with anthrax, botulinum and aflatoxin for use in the Gulf war.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

AUGUST 1995 : (SADDAM HUSSEIN'S SON-IN-LAW DEFECTS TO US) Saddam’s son-in-law, Lt General Hussain Kamil, defected to the US from Iraq. He had been placed in charge of the WMD programme and provided substantial evidence.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

AUGUST 1995 : (IRAQ ADMITS TO DIVERTING NUCLEAR FUEL TO WEAPONS LABS) Faced with Lt. General Kamil's defection to the US, Iraq then admitted to starting its attempts at a fast-track nuclear programme, which involved diverting nuclear fuel from power stations to the weapons laboratories- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

SEPTEMBER ?, 1995 : (IRAQ ADMITS AIRCRAFT TESTING OF BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS) Iraq admits two projects to testing the delivery of biological weapons through Mirage F-1 and MiG-21 aircraft.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

JANUARY 2, 1998 : (IRAQ, ATTACK ON UNSCOM INSPECTORS) Rocket attack on the headquarters of the UNSCOM inspectors in Baghdad; it did not cause damage because the rocket did not explode.

MAY 1998 : (IRAQ OBTAINS KIDNEY MACHINES TO GET PRECISION SWITCHES) Iraq ordered six “lithotripter” machines, saying they would be used to treat kidney stones. Each machine contains a high-precision electronic switch which triggers atomic bombs. It ordered six extra switches.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

MAY 1998 : (IRAQ, CYNTHIA MCKINNEY, KHALED ELGINDY, AAI, IRAQ TRIP) Khaled Elgindy joins a delegation of Arab-American activists on a humanitarian mission to Iraq and to observe the effects of sanctions first hand. Khaled previously served as Press Secretary to Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), who at the time became the first member of Congress to oppose military action against Iraq and has since called for the lifting of sanctions against the Iraqi people. Khaled Elgindy is in 2002, the National Coordinator for Political Action at the Arab American Institute in Washington, DC. Khaled represents AAI on a number of national coalitions, including the National Iraq Network, and is responsible for mobilizing Arab-American action on various legislative issues.e has a master's degree from Georgetown University's school of foreign service and a bachelor's degree in Poli-Sci from Indiana U. May be relative of Amr I. ``Tony'' Elgindy, arrested on charges related to stock dealing around 9/11/2002

JUNE 1998 : (AAADC, AAI, KHALED ELGINDY, CONYERS) The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee sponsors a congressional briefing to publicize the letter. Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Gumbleton of Detroit spoke at the briefing and described the deplorable health conditions he found during his recent visit to Iraq. In July, the Arab American Institute (AAI) sponsored a similar congressional briefing, at which Khaled Elgindy of the AAI showed slides of his visit to Iraq and Carl LeVan of Representative Conyers’ office described the letter in detail and urged the staff members in attendance to encourage their congressmen to sign on. LeVan said that the letter will probably not be sent until October, so as to get as many signatures as possible. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/695883/posts?page=70

AUGUST 26, 1998 : (UNSCOM INSPECTOR RITTER RESIGNS) According to Mr Schiff's report on the claims by Mr Ritter, the longest-serving American weapons inspector, Unscom knows where the three nearly complete nuclear bombs are hidden. The UN team is also said by Mr Ritter to have information on the method used to conceal the bombs, the units and officers responsible for guarding them, and the types of vehicle employed to transport them in the game of cat and mouse between Saddam and the UN experts. Mr Ritter claimed that, despite the information available, no order was given to the team to conduct a surprise inspection of the site. He claimed that the Security Council and the Clinton Administration had blocked the work of the inspectors just as they were "on the doorstep" of uncovering Iraq's hidden non-conventional weapons of mass destruction. His revelation about the existence of the three bombs has again heightened tensions in the Middle East and raised the stakes in any new confrontation between Iraq and the West. Israel has long believed that it would be the first target of any Iraqi nuclear strike. - "Ritter: Baghdad 'possesses three nuclear bombs,'" by Christopher Walker, Times of London, 9/10/98

SEPTEMBER 3, 1998 : (IRAQ, SCOTT RITTER COMMITTEE TESTIMONY) Ritter was invited to testify at a joint hearing of the Senate Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees on September 3, 1998. Strom Thurmond, the South Carolina Republican, introduced Ritter as "a tough and demanding inspector" and a "dedicated American." Ritter wasted no time in offering his assessment of the continuing threat: "Iraq has not been disarmed." The United States, he claimed, had deliberately thwarted the U.N. inspections for fear of a confrontation with Iraq. He ripped the administration for its refusal to back up the inspections process with a legitimate use of force, including, but not limited to, removing Saddam Hussein's regime. http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/524dplvk.asp

SEPTEMBER 10, 1998 : (UNSCOM INSPECTOR RITTER, IRAQ, NUKES) Iraq is hiding three technologically complete nuclear bombs and is lacking only fissionable materials to make them operational. This is the view of Scott Ritter, the United Nations arms inspector who resigned on August 26. Mr Ritter made his claim at a recent meeting of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. It was published for the first time yesterday by Zeev Schiff, military editor of Haaretz, the Tel Aviv daily. Haaretz quoted Mr Ritter as revealing that proof also existed that Iraq had been manufacturing chemical weapons outside its borders since the Gulf War. He said that Unscom wanted to pursue this lead in Sudan, but its mandate limited its activities to Iraq. - "Ritter: Baghdad 'possesses three nuclear bombs,'" by Christopher Walker, Times of London, 9/10/98

DECEMBER 1998 : (IRAQ, UNSCOM DISMANTLES GERMAN CENTRIFUGE INSTALLATION) The Times of London interview with Hamza notes another possible clue tog the nature of Brazil-Iraq relations in the early 1980s. Before leaving Iraq in 1998 -- just days before U.S.-led air strikes -- U.N. weapons inspectors had dismantled an illegally imported German centrifuge installation that had been used to refine progressively natural or low-enriched uranium until it became suitable for weapons, the Times reported. - "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

DECEMBER 20, 1998 : (OPERATION DESERT FOX ENDS) End of Desert Fox, a 72-hour operation. Clinton says more may follow.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor It was during Desert Fox, when a corner of a building's roof was blown off, that the CIA discovered Iraq had fitted aircraft with crop-dusting equipment.

1999 : (GERMANY, SCIENTIST KARL-HEINZ SCHAAB CONVICTED OF TREASON FOR SALES TO IRAQ) Schaab had spent time in Rio de Janeiro while eluding German authorities. He was captured returning to Germany and convicted of treason in 1999. He had been sought by German authorities since 1990 on charges of selling German uranium enrichment technology to Iraq before the Gulf War.- "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

1999 to present : (NO MONITORING OF TRADE ACROSS INTERNATIONAL LAND BORDERS WITH IRAQ) After 1999 there has been no monitoring of trade across the international land borders with Iraq. "King Abdallah [of Jordan] threw Lloyds of London out of the port of Aqaba, where they were supposed to monitor Iraqi imports," the former Iraqi intelligence officer says. "There are regular convoys of trucks to Baghdad from Jordan, and now a direct rail link from Syria carrying military spare parts and production gear, including equipment needed in Iraq's nuclear- weapons plants." - "How Saddam Got Weapons of Mass Destruction" By Kenneth R. Timmerman, Insight Magazine via WorldNetDaily.com , Tuesday, October 1, 2002

JULY 1999 : (CUBA, IRAQ, TERRORISM) As recently as July 1999 Domingo Muchaustegui, a former Cuban government official said to have exceptional information about the Cuban government, wrote: "For U.S. interests, the closeness of the [Cuban] relationship with Iraq and some of the more militant terrorist groups in the Middle East is troublesome. Can Cuba be used to carry out terrorist acts against U.S. targets? Is there any cooperation between Sadam Hussein and Castro in the development of chemical and bacteriological weapons? What remains from the close cooperation between Castro and the more militant terrorist groups in the region?" (University of Miami Middle East Studies Institute, July 1999).

MAY 2000 : (IAEA DISCOVERS IRAQI CENTRIFUGE) The IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency, which also carried out inspections on Iraq until Dec 1998) discovered and destroyed an Iraqi nuclear centrifuge which had been stored in Jordan.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

JULY 2000 : (SCOTT RITTER, IRAQ, AL KHAFAJI) Ritter was welcomed back to Baghdad in July 2000, with the blessing of Saddam Hussein. The reason for his trip? To produce a documentary film, "In Shifting Sands," that would chronicle the weapons-inspection process and, he says, "de-demonize" Iraq. The 90-minute film, which he says he is close to selling to a broadcast outlet, was produced with the approval of the Iraqi government and features interviews with numerous high-level Iraqi officials, including Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz. U.S. intelligence officials and arms control advocates say Ritter has been played--perhaps unwittingly--by Saddam Hussein. "If you're Scott Ritter," says one arms expert, "the former 'cowboy' weapons inspector, kicked out by Saddam Hussein, you're not going to get back into Iraq unless Saddam Hussein invites you and wants you there." He acknowledges, as well, that the U.S. government doesn't like how the film was financed. Shakir al-Khafaji, an Iraqi-American real estate developer living in Michigan, kicked in $400,000- http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/524dplvk.asp

AUGUST 2000 : (CIA REPORTS IRAQ ON IRAQI BIOCHEM DRONE DEVELOPMENT) The CIA reports to US Congress that Iraq is converting an L-29 trainer jet into an unmanned aircraft which could spread chemical and biological weapons. Work was suspected to be carried out at the Al-Faris factory, where Iraq built drop tanks to deliver weapons before the Gulf War.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

OCTOBER 2000 : (IT'S NOT JUST IRAQ....CUBA & IRAN OPEN BIOTECH PLANT) Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage and the Iranian vice minister of health inaugurated a biotechnological research and development plant outside Tehran. Experts expressed doubts about the supposed medical objectives of the installation, because Iran already produces 97 percent of the medicines its population consumes.

JANUARY 2001 : (IRAQ REBUILDS BIOCHEMICAL PLANTS) Iraq is reported to have rebuilt two factories in the Falluja complex, which produced chemical and biological weapons before the Gulf War.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

MARCH 2001 : (IRAQ WRITES TI UN CLAIMING IT WANTS TO REBUILD A FACTORY TO PRODUCE 'FOOT AND MOUTH DISEASE VACCINE') Iraq writes to the UN giving notice of its plans to asking to reopen the Daura factory, which had been shut down by UNSCOM in 1996 after it was found to make biological weapons. Iraq said it needed to reopen Daura to produce vaccine for foot-and-mouth disease. - Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

APRIL 2001 : (ATTA & IRAQI INTELLIGENCE OFFICER AL-ANI MEET IN CZECHOSLAVAKIA) When the conspiracy's planning must have been nearing its final stages, Atta was back in Prague for a further brief visit - a journey of considerable inconvenience. Mohamed Atta visited Prague, Czechoslavakia at least twice, and perhaps four times during 2000-2001. Czech officials say that a meeting took place with an Iraqi intelligence agent, Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir Al-Ani on his second trip in April 2001, several weeks before Al-Ani was expelled from the country.
The CIA has evidence that two more hijackers, besides terror leader Mohamed Atta, met with Iraqi intelligence officials earlier this year - bolstering arguments for a Baghdad role in the attacks, it was reported yesterday. The two other skyjackers were Atta's friends and co-conspirators, Marwan al-Shehhi and Ziad Samir Jarrah, who were believed to have been at the controls of two of the pirated jets on Sept. 11. The Observer newspaper of London reported yesterday that senior U.S. intelligence sources said they have "credible information" al-Shehhi and Jarrah met with an Iraqi agent last spring. (Not in Prague but in the UAE) The secret meetings took place in the UAE, the paper reported. - New York Post, "2 (3) More September 11 Hijackers Tied To Iraq" November 12, 2001, by WILLIAM NEUMAN http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/587611/posts

APRIL 2001 : (GERMAN COMPANIES CAUGHT TRYING TO DELIVER COMPONENTS TO IRAQ) August Hanning, head of the BND (German’s Federal Intelligence service), gives an interview to a German Sunday newspaper. “New chemical weapons are being developed in Iraq. German companies apparently tried to deliver important components for the production of poison gas to Iraq’s Samara plant.” (Interview published by Welt am Sonntag, a German Sunday newspaper, on 22 April 2001, entitled: “The spy who came in from Westphalia”) This is compatible with Mr Saeed’s evidence.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

MAY 2001 : (IRAQ, OVER US PROTESTS, TAKES OVER UN CROP-DUSTING HELICOPTERS) Iraq takes over several crop-dusting helicopters from the UN, against US protest that they may be used for a biological weapons attack.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

MAY 10, 2001: (CUBA, SYRIA, LIBYA, IRAN, VENEZUELA) Castro undertook a round of visits to Syria, Libya and Iran. Speaking at Tehran University, he insisted that "people must be informed and awakened; they must not allow themselves to be pillaged by the West.” During that same trip, the Iranian Press Service quoted Castro as saying, "Iran and Cuba reached the conclusion that together they can tear down the United States." Castro, in an apocalyptic speech, told his Muslim audience in Iran: "America is weak. I have studied its weaknesses from very close by. I tell you, the imperialist king will finally fall." - Agence France-Presse "Tours through radical Islamic states by Castro and his close Venezuelan ally, President Hugo Chavez, in the months prior to the September attacks indicate some level of complicity or knowledge of what was going to happen," says Lisette Bustamante, a former aide to Castro who currently works on the Spanish daily newspaper La Razon. Not only were statements by both leaders in their Middle Eastern trips laced with violent anti-American rhetoric, Bustamante points out, but Chavez quite candidly told reporters that his talks with Saddam Hussein and heads of other oil-producing states involved the creation of a "new anti-imperialist axis" against Western industrialized economies.

SEPTEMBER 2001 : (REPORTS OF IRAQI CHEMICAL WEAPONS EXERCISE) Iranian reports say 20 Iraqi soldiers based in Zaafarniyah region had died and 200 suffered severe breathing problems after taking part in chemical weapons exercise around June.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

DECEMBER 2001 : (IRAQI SCIENTIST SAYS IRAQ HAS REACTIVATED LABS, HIDDEN FACILITIES IN CIVILIAN AREAS, WMD STORAGE IN APPARENT WELLS, MADE PORTABLE, GERMAN MATERIALS MADE THEIR WAY INTO WEAPONS PROGRAM) A former Iraqi nuclear scientist, Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, who has defected to the US, gives an interview to the New York Times from a safe destination in Bangkok (An interview with Mr Saeed was arranged by the Iraqi National Congress, an exiled opposition group to Saddam, whom had helped him escape. It appeared on p1 of the New York Times on 20 December 2001, entitled: “A nation challenged: Secret sites.”). His evidence is described as “plausible” by Richard Butler, an Australian former head of UN Iraq inspections. Mr Saeed said that:- • Iraq has reactivated 300 secret weapons laboratories since the withdrawal of UN weapons inspectors • Nuclear production and storage facilities are being hidden to the rear of government companies and private villas in residential areas. • Weapons are being stored underground in what are made to look like water wells, lined with lead-filled concrete. • Several empty facilities have been prepared, so projects can be on the move and withstand the bombing of one facility. • Material from Leycochem, a German construction company, had arrived for under UN-approved schemes, but then redirected to nuclear development.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

DECEMBER 2001 : (IRAQI DEFECTOR SAYS IRAQ USED A HOSPITAL AS COVER FOR BIOWEAPONS AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT, BIOCHEM WEAPONS WERE TESTED ON KURDISH ANS HSIITE PRISONERS) Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, an Iraqi defector, gives evidence saying that:- • Biological weapons were being developed at the back of the Saddam Hussein hospital in Baghdad. (This was later corroborated by Khidhir Hamza, another defector, who told US congress that “the computer we used for nuclear weapon design is now located in a hospital at the outskirts of Baghdad.”) • Biological and chemical weapons were tested on Kurdish and Shiite prisoners in 1989 and 1992.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

JULY 31, 2002 : (WASHINGTON POST REPORTS CIA FOUND IRAQI BIOWEAPONS LAB) The Washington Post runs a detailed report (“Reality is uncertainty,” by Joby Warrick, Washington Post, 31 July 2002) suggesting that the CIA has found a laboratory called Tahhaddy, or “Challenge”, on the west bank of the Tigris river, employing a team of 85 scientists working on a viral strain code-named Blue Nile. Details sound similar to Ebola Virus, a lethal hemorrhagic disease.

AUGUST 2002 : (US SATELLITES DETECT ACTIVITY AT IRAQI BIOWEAPONS FACILITY) US satellites detect a convoy of 60 trucks at a one of main suspected biological weapons factories, called the Taji Cell Protection Plant.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

81 posted on 10/04/2002 12:50:47 AM PDT by piasa
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To: jenny65
That philosphy hasn't exactly worked too well for the Israelis has it? And how much more defeated can the Palestinians be?

They have a long way to go- compared to Iraqi citizens, for example, the Palesinians are living high off the hog, with cell phones and Isreali-supplied public services and an apparently never-ending supply of UN housing and construction. Defeated enough so thst Arafat isn't a billionaire getting money and political support from idiotic western leftists. Defeated enough so that palestinian spokesmen and terrorists don't have the money to travel the world making trouble wherever they go. defeated enough so that palestinian propagandists can't get into the US to set up not-for-profit charities to fund yet more terrorism, or to speak their hatred at our universities to approving crowds.

82 posted on 10/04/2002 2:16:32 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Lion's Cub
just some stuff from the ol' timeline
83 posted on 10/04/2002 8:19:59 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Heartlander2
The Islamic Jihad will strike America after Bush invades Iraq. The level of violence and
damage will likely exceed Sept. 11, 2001!


He's right.
There will be so many dead domestic Muslim terrorists, sympathizers and moral equivocators)
on the streets of the USA...

we won't have to worry about Muslim terrorism in the USA for the next millenia.

I'm not advocating violence...but if the price of future peace is one
convulsion of street-cleaning...
Well, I guess the price of freedom is eternal vigilance (not a hallmark of the Clinton years)
and an occassional watering of the tree of freedom with the little tyrants that
are hiding in our midst. If this is the price of keeping Shar'ia law
off our continent...so be it.

Bring it on!
84 posted on 10/04/2002 9:00:38 AM PDT by VOA
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To: don-o
Your absolutely right. I'll happily help you with you're crusade against poor grammer. Possessives are another of my little pet peeves, I hope they're one of your's as well.
85 posted on 10/04/2002 9:06:18 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Heartlander2
A Global war with extremist Moslums is inevitable. Better now than latter.
86 posted on 10/04/2002 9:55:27 AM PDT by Search4Truth
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To: piasa; aristeides; thinden; honway; Fred Mertz
Thanks much for your timelines in #79, #80, and #81. Especially appreciate the Iraq synopsis in #81. Seeing it in a timeline like that makes the various articles really come together to show the ongoing effort!
87 posted on 10/05/2002 7:02:01 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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88 posted on 10/05/2002 7:05:22 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Heartlander2
I agree with him. We shouldn't invade Iraq. We should just unleash a dozen nuclear-tipped TLAMs from a sub.

I wouldn't spill a single drop of an American boy's blood over there. Better to just turn them into a sheet of glass.

The war is against ISLAM. And it is time to wipe that death cult from the earth.

89 posted on 10/05/2002 7:15:06 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: Howlin
Here's some other timelines I put up which may be of interest. ONe for people who claim there has been no Islamic terrorism here in the US before the Gulf War, one for people who say Iraq has no WMD, and so on.

There's much more where these came from

90 posted on 10/08/2002 9:18:16 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Bush2000

91 posted on 10/08/2002 9:56:46 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo
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To: Always Right
"This thread may not last, nor should it."

I'm surprised that a member of FR would advocate censorship. Ideas are ideas, whether you like them or not, and deserve to be discussed, IMO.

Carolyn

92 posted on 10/08/2002 10:36:44 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: CDHart
I'm surprised that a member of FR would advocate censorship. Ideas are ideas, whether you like them or not, and deserve to be discussed, IMO.

This is not an open forum to discuss everything. This is a conservative news forum. The pulling of threads is the owner of the forums right if they are not deemed appropriate. Say if 1000 liberal dems started continuely posting their propaganda, why shouldn't they be banned and the threads pulled. Censorship is the 1st Amendment Free Speech right of the forum owner, as it should be. Why should Jim have to flip the bill for ideas that are propagated that are counter to what he believes?

93 posted on 10/08/2002 10:56:34 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
"Why should Jim have to flip the bill for ideas that are propagated that are counter to what he believes?"

Aha! There you have it! Jim Robinson can pull anything he wants to, as he owns the forum. However, you do not.

Carolyn

P.S. No one is ever "always right."

94 posted on 10/09/2002 3:10:17 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: piasa
Going through some old posts.... what happened to all this stuff?
95 posted on 09/30/2003 1:00:59 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Note: this topic is from October 3, 2002.
James Bo Gritz: The Islamic Jihad will strike America after Bush invades Iraq. The level of violence and damage will likely exceed Sept. 11, 2001! This I can promise you. Right now there are unguarded nuclear weapons in the U.S. waiting to be used by terrorists against us. Known as SADMs (Small Atomic Demolition Munitions) or "suitcase nukes," these pocket bombs have the blast power of 5,000 tons of TNT. Moreover, their surface radiation contamination and "fallout" magnifies the footprint of these man-portable weapons. SADMs are part of the many Soviet Unconventional Warfare caches secreted throughout America (as we did in Europe) during the cold war in anticipation of general war between the USA and USSR. There will be no extreme acts of Islamic terrorism in the United States if Bush does not massively damage innocent Arab lives, property, infrastructure and economic means. This I can also promise you. The 9-11 attack was in direct retaliation for such "collateral" destruction during Desert Storm - even as Pam Am 103 (Dec. 1988) was retribution for the U.S. downing of an Iranian AirBus 300 (July 1988)... After the WTC and Pentagon bombings, I publicly assured Americans that there would be no further acts of Islamic violence as long as Bush did not go beyond reason in searching out and exterminating the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.
Thanks Heartlander2.
96 posted on 02/06/2010 10:14:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Heartlander2

Bo Gritz is an idiot.


97 posted on 02/06/2010 10:16:26 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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