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D.C. on Alert As Sniper Roams Free
Drudge ^ | Oct 4 | STEPHEN MANNING

Posted on 10/05/2002 6:15:53 AM PDT by SLB

ROCKVILLE, Md.- A series of six fatal sniper shootings has shaken the Washington, D.C., suburbs, even as officials urge wary residents to go about their normal business.

But law enforcement authorities are worried.

"My level of concern about the ability of the suspect to strike again is high," said Charles Moose, the Montgomery County police chief, late Friday. "This brings us to a higher degree of recklessness by this suspect or suspects."

"We implore him to surrender, stop this madness," Moose said.

On Friday, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said testing showed the same high-powered rifle had been used to kill at least four of six shooting victims. Five victims were shot in Maryland; one was gunned down in Washington, D.C.

The sixth victim, a 72-year-old Washington, D.C., pedestrian, was killed by the same weapon used to kill at least three of the Maryland victims, said Special Agent Michael Bouchard.

"The four shootings were done with the same firearm," he said, adding that forensic testing was still under way in the two other Maryland fatal shootings.

Bouchard also said ATF agents would examine evidence collected from the scene of a shooting Friday outside a crafts store in Fredericksburg, Va., 55 miles south of Rockville to see if it was related. A woman was shot in the back, but survived the attack.

Police were looking for two men in a white van with dark lettering, a description that came from a witness to one of the killings. Police pulled over white vans Friday and plastered orange stickers on the back to show the vehicles had been checked. Moose said investigators were chasing more than 500 leads.

Each Maryland victim was felled by a single bullet. Police said evidence indicated the killer was some distance away and used .223-caliber bullets.

The search went on amid a mix of fear and defiance among residents of the economically and culturally diverse slice of the suburban county where the shootings occurred.

Meanwhile, all over Montgomery County, people appeared to carry on with business as usual - though with a lot more caution. Many said they were afraid but wouldn't stop getting groceries, going to work or leaving their children with a baby sitter.

"I had to shop. I need to eat. I can't stay at home all day," said Kira Leonova, who works at a bookstore near one of the slaying scenes. "I have to work and I have a family."

Dexter Evans, 20, scanned the traffic as he waited for a bus to Rockville, and he took a second look at every white truck. "You can't even walk down the street without looking over your shoulder," he said.

Schools opened with extra police patrols and calls poured into 911 dispatchers about suspicious noises.

Five of the victims died within five miles of one another during a 16-hour span between Wednesday evening and Thursday morning. All were gunned down in broad daylight in very public places: two at gas stations, one outside a grocery, another outside a post office and the fifth as he mowed the grass at an auto dealership.

"There's still no information to lead us to think our victims are associated," Moose said. "They don't appear to be anyone's enemies, just random targets."

Carin Saez, 27, found herself going back to school Friday to pick up her 12-year-old niece, deciding it was too dangerous. Saez said she would not let her own children go back to school until the killer was caught.

"I was petrified to even go to the store last night," Saez said. "My kids were scared. They didn't even want to go outside. They're more scared now than on September 11."

Officials at Richard Montgomery High School in Rockville canceled a Friday night pep rally and police were posted at the football game against rival Wooten High. Dani Young, a 17-year-old senior, said: "It kind of ruins the mood of homecoming."

In Bethesda, Mary Patterson said as she leaving home for a hair appointment: "I'm not afraid. After all, I'm 81 years old - my time could be anytime."


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In Bethesda, Mary Patterson said as she leaving home for a hair appointment: "I'm not afraid. After all, I'm 81 years old - my time could be anytime."

Gotta love her for that comment.

1 posted on 10/05/2002 6:15:53 AM PDT by SLB
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To: SLB
"Police pulled over white vans Friday and plastered orange stickers on the back to show the vehicles had been checked."

Nice of them to advertise this pertinent bit of info.

2 posted on 10/05/2002 6:22:03 AM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee; harpseal; Lion Den Dan; Fred Mertz; Wally Cleaver; pocat; Jeff Head; ...
There is a gun collection being auctioned near here next Saturday. It looks like over 75 various long guns/shotguns. Everything from 30-06 to .243 to a double barreled Daisy BB gun (I have never seen one of those). I wonder if the ATF will be present? It is the same weekend as the Knob Creek Machinegun shoot so there will be plenty in the area.
3 posted on 10/05/2002 6:25:38 AM PDT by SLB
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4 posted on 10/05/2002 6:29:17 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: SLB
We should be encouraging the populace to be armed. An armed populace is the first line of defense in homeland security. Armed victims and bystanders make terrorists "jobs" much more difficult. Israel has had considerable success in stopping many terrorists incidents as they start. We should be encouraging the same. It is not hard to notice that these shootings occured in "Gun Free" danger zones.

The second amendment is the original homeland defense system.

5 posted on 10/05/2002 6:33:04 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: SLB
"We implore him to surrender, stop this madness," Moose said.

That outta get their attention..the words of a true warrior...

Better work up some more profiles...
White males
25-35 yrs of age
Trailer Trash or Columbine types
Gun lovers, Gun lovers, Gun lovers
Read Gun magazines
Hunt (like to kill innocent animals) like "moose un squiverrl"
Found at rifle ranges every where
Read bibles
Have tatoos
Ride Motorcycles or mountain bikes
Former military or active duty or wish they were either...
Could be Japanese
Wished they couldda been at Waco or Ruby Ridge
Like to shoot BB guns as kids
Were in the boy scouts
Spout off about the constitution and other radical documents
heterosexuals...or frustrated homosexuals who wished they were heterosexuals
had pimples as kids...
Got mad at somebody and said so
Are hispanic or arab but probably white
ex Russian KGB now Russian Mafia
Disgruntled Indians being ripped off by casino managers..
Really butch disgruntled lesbians who wish they were more feminine lesbians..
have drivers licenses but are the type who would drive without one...
are overweight but could also be skinny
breathe air
like puppies but hate kitties
am open to other suggestions

6 posted on 10/05/2002 6:38:22 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: SLB
"We implore him to surrender"

Right.. I am sure your do, because you can't catch this sick bas**rd! I often shudder to think what 10 or 20 terrorist snipers could do in the US if they wanted.

Chief Moose, what you need to do is figure out how to handle a threat like this and make use of your civillian reasources. You need more eyes on the ground and a plan.

7 posted on 10/05/2002 6:41:43 AM PDT by bluecollarman
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To: SLB
I have a complementary copy of a software program called Ad-Aware. Everytime I visit the Drudge site, I get a "cookie," which my Ad-Aware software flags. The file is as follows:

C:\windows\cookies\MY HARDDRIVE NAME\@fastclick[1].txt

The file remains on my PC until I remove it. I was told that Ad-Aware flags hidden add related files that could be broadcasting information from my PC. I wonder if this is an accurate accessment, or if Ad-Aware is just another program to fascinate computer dummies like me.

8 posted on 10/05/2002 6:44:49 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: SLB
I heard from one source that the perp(s) are supposed to be Hispanic, but why couldn't they be Arabic? Isn't this the type of activity to expect from terrorists?
9 posted on 10/05/2002 6:46:05 AM PDT by Marauder
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To: joesnuffy; justshe; Grampa Dave
Chief Moose....as long as he is heading it up, they will NOT find them.

He couldn't find a crack dealer in NE Portland if one walked up to Moose to turn himself in!!

10 posted on 10/05/2002 6:46:20 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: SLB
"I was petrified to even go to the store last night," Saez said. "My kids were scared. They didn't even want to go outside. They're more scared now than on September 11."

If this is terrorism, then mission accomplished.

11 posted on 10/05/2002 6:46:46 AM PDT by mhking
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To: SLB
..a double barreled Daisy BB gun

"You'll shoot both your eyes out!"

12 posted on 10/05/2002 6:47:28 AM PDT by csvset
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To: ghostrider
If you have IE6, in internet options set your Privacy to medium-high.
13 posted on 10/05/2002 6:47:35 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: SLB
"We implore him to surrender, stop this madness," Moose said.

I'm sure the sniper will take this advice and surrender immediately.

What the hell do they put in the water in Maryland!

14 posted on 10/05/2002 6:51:16 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Thanks!

I have, 5.50.4......... But will soon upgrade. I was just curious about the Drudge site and about the claims of Ad-Ware.

15 posted on 10/05/2002 6:52:11 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: ghostrider
Fox News is saying a news conference is coming up soon.
16 posted on 10/05/2002 7:04:25 AM PDT by Alissa
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To: joesnuffy
I heard some "expert" on Fox news last night saying that the shooter has Guns and Ammo magazines in his place of residents and that the ppolice should question every gun owner in Montgomery County..

I've been told that what you read, may put you in prison one day, even if it is legal...

:-S
17 posted on 10/05/2002 7:04:27 AM PDT by Astro Boy
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To: Marauder
I heard from one source that the perp(s) are supposed to be Hispanic...

"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatamela, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take five to ten million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans.

-- Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister, as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985.

-archy-/-

18 posted on 10/05/2002 7:12:48 AM PDT by archy
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To: archy
In Dallas, El Paso, and Houston, we kill 'em back, whoever they are.
Might explain why they're up around that bastion of gun control, Washington DC.
I guess I'll have to add my rifle to my vehicle accessories list.
19 posted on 10/05/2002 7:19:44 AM PDT by Marauder
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To: SLB
We in the US are in a safety trough between bimodal points of perceived "safety" -- 100% civilian gun ownership ban (like Japan) and 100% civilian gun ownership (like Kennesaw, Georgia). The point we are in now is naturally unstable. People lack the training to know where a shot comes from and what to do (contrast this with the situation in 1963, when people were hitting the deck the moment they heard a shot, and afterwards knew where it came from, near the Grassy Knoll in Dallas). Of course, the far better stable point is everyone owning and familiar with guns.

To all this I would consider adding, in this case, possessing and willing to use a bulletproof vest.

20 posted on 10/05/2002 7:19:58 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: archy
Each one has embedded into their mind the dream of getting a painting job, cutting somebody's lawn or washing dishes in the local restraunt.

These guys are not gunning anybody down. Sure, they have their hard nosed criminals, but I don't see a wave of terrorists coming from those Catholic countries.
21 posted on 10/05/2002 7:20:49 AM PDT by Freeper 007
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To: SteveH
I'm not old enough to have a personal memory, but I do recall hearing that pedestrains ran and got their rifles when the guy was sniping from the Tower in Austin.
22 posted on 10/05/2002 7:22:55 AM PDT by Freeper 007
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To: Freeper 007
[i]I'm not old enough to have a personal memory, but I do recall hearing that pedestrains ran and got their rifles when the guy was sniping from the Tower in Austin.[/i]

YES, and one of them shot the suspect.
23 posted on 10/05/2002 7:28:44 AM PDT by Bowana
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To: SLB
I feel really ashamed that this dweeb police chief's last name is "Moose", y'know?

So, if the "same rifle" was used in four of the six shootings, does that mean another was used for the other two (and that means that BOTH of the "Hispanics" named Abdul in the van have .223s) or they just can't identify the ballistics on the other two? One wonders.

Maybe Chief Moose should get some folks from Prince George's or the Metro DC police to help him out. They're used to drive-bys in those jurisdictions!

}:-)4
24 posted on 10/05/2002 7:29:25 AM PDT by Moose4
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To: ghostrider
I have Ad-aware too. It detects "spyware" according to my computer-expert brother. We found some spyware on my hard drive, but nothing really bad so far. I'm going to keep using it.

I use AdSubtract to keep cookies out.
25 posted on 10/05/2002 7:29:47 AM PDT by alley cat
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To: SLB
"I had to shop. I need to eat. I can't stay at home all day," said Kira Leonova, who works at a bookstore near one of the slaying scenes. "I have to work and I have a family."

Now I understand how the Israelis feel about homicide bombers.

26 posted on 10/05/2002 7:32:25 AM PDT by evad
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To: SLB
I am just listening to Officer Moose now. He is really a very impressive person. Articulate, thoughtful. A really nice guy. No cheese responses please.
27 posted on 10/05/2002 7:38:51 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Freeper 007
"Dateline" Unknowingly Supports 2nd Amendment!
"Catastrophe, Deadly Tower"

While watching a Dateline story on The Texas Tower Massacre, the show explains that the only thing that kept the shooter a bay and saved many lives, was CITIZEN'S GOING HOME TO GET THEIR DEER RIFLES!

They even called the mass of citizen's showing up to help "A Militia". Wow, "A Well Regulated Militia" assisted in stopping a massacre and saved many lives!

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state!

Thank You Dateline, and Thank You to the Founding Father's for providing every citizen of these United States with the right to defend ourselves!

DATELINE: http://www.msnbc.com/news/615013.asp
28 posted on 10/05/2002 7:39:38 AM PDT by Bowana
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To: SLB; All
There's a picture of this guy on this site, but I don't know how to post it, sorry..

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/1704925/detail.html

Former N.C. Man Wanted For Questioning In Shooting Spree
Man Is Reportedly Affilliated With White Supremacist Groups

POSTED: 9:35 a.m. EDT October 5, 2002

ROCKVILLE, Md. -- Federal authorities reportedly want to question a former North Carolina resident about a string of fatal shootings in Montgomery County and Washington. The Raleigh news and Observer reports that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has issued a bulletin for Robert Gene Baker III, (pictured, right).

Baker is a former Raleigh resident, but it's unclear when he last lived there. Federal agents believe he's heading south from Washington and may have associates in Virginia and North Carolina.

The ATF reports says Baker's family members reported him missing on Monday. The report doesn't say where his family lives.

The bulletin described Baker as a drug user affiliated with various militia and white supremacist groups. He is white, 5-feet-9 and 195 pounds, with brown eyes, brown hair and tattoos on both arms and back.

He was said to be traveling south in a white 2000 GMC van with dark lettering. The vehicle has a Maryland registration.

The ATF says Baker is armed with a handgun and high-powered rifle and should be considered armed and extremely dangerous.

Investigators say the bullets used in three of the five fatal shootings in Montgomery County, Md., and one in Washington, D.C., were all fired from the same weapon.

An agent from the ATF says tests of the shell fragments yielded the match. Investigators are still analyzing fragments from two other fatal shootings in Montgomery County that police believe are linked to the others.

Investigators say the same weapon was used to shoot a cab driver at an Aspen Hill Mobil station, a woman at a Kensington Shell station, another woman in front of a post office in Silver Spring, and a 72-year-old man walking on Georgia Avenue, just inside the District line.

Police are still awaiting test results from a non-fatal shooting Friday in Spotsylvania County, Va. Killer May Strike Again

A Maryland police official says he's really worried that a multiple killer could strike again.

Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose says the suspect or suspects have shown a high degree of recklessness especially using the same gun in several killings. He says his worry level is high.

Moose begged the killer to surrender and "stop the madness."

Previous Stories:
October 4, 2002: Police Link D.C. Shooting To Suburban Attacks
October 3, 2002: Profilers Say Maryland Shooter Will Strike Again

Victims Of Shooting Spree

James Martin, 55, of Silver Spring, Md. Killed about 6:04 p.m. Wednesday, in the parking lot of Shoppers Food Warehouse grocery store in Wheaton

James L. "Sonny" Buchanan, 39, of Arlington, Va. Killed about 7:41 a.m. Thursday, while riding a lawnmower at Fitzgerald Auto Mall in White Flint. Buchanan's company provided landscaping services for the dealership

Prenkumar Walekar, 54, of Olney, Md. Killed about 8:12 a.m. Thursday, at a Mobil gas station, Aspen Hill Road and Connecticut Avenue in the Aspen Hill area

Sarah Ramos, 34, of Silver Spring, Md. Killed about 8:37 a.m. Thursday, outside a post office at 3802 International Boulevard in Silver Spring

Laurie Ann Lewis-Rivera, 25, of Silver Spring, Md. Killed about 9:58 a.m. Thursday at a Shell gas station at Knowles and Connecticut avenues in Kensington

29 posted on 10/05/2002 7:43:36 AM PDT by Bella
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To: SLB
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30 posted on 10/05/2002 7:44:00 AM PDT by ffrancone
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To: SLB
gun collection sale,

Where is it at? Don't think I can buy anything after last night's Harry Berry fund raiser but you never know.

31 posted on 10/05/2002 7:45:14 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Bahbah
I am just listening to Officer Moose now. He is really a very impressive person. Articulate, thoughtful. A really nice guy. No cheese responses please.

Articulate?? ;-)
He musta went tru a real metamorfesus since the mornin' ;-)

Is that cheesy?

32 posted on 10/05/2002 7:46:37 AM PDT by evad
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To: Bahbah
Did he say something about a missing person that they are looking for? And an automobile in Virginia?

(No, I wasn't taking a shower, but I was fixing Mrs. BenLurkin an omelette and only caught part of what he said.)

33 posted on 10/05/2002 7:49:43 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Freeper 007; Bowana; SteveH
Charles Whitman: The Texas Tower Sniper

The Charles Whitman story. Worth reading.

35 posted on 10/05/2002 7:54:09 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Bella
LINK
36 posted on 10/05/2002 7:59:28 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: SLB
A series of six fatal sniper shootings has shaken the Washington, D.C., suburbs

Are they sure about this? I thought guns weren't allowed in DC? Especially those that would be propelling .223 caliber rounds. Someone must be mistaken.

37 posted on 10/05/2002 7:59:42 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: SLB
Police were looking for two men in a white van with dark lettering,...

...saying "vote yes for the renewal of the Brady Bill"

38 posted on 10/05/2002 8:00:42 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: evad
LOL. Yes, that is pretty cheesy. I realize his "th"s are "d"s, etc. I was listening to what he was saying, not his accent. He was pretty darn good on the resiliance of the American character and the need to let those whom you love know it everyday. I certainly don't know much about this guy at all, but I did not detect a PC whiner and that I found refreshing. I am aware that you may be more informed than I.
39 posted on 10/05/2002 8:01:14 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: BenLurkin
I am sorry I didn't hear the entire press conference so I can't be of any help. Lucky Mrs. Lurkin.
40 posted on 10/05/2002 8:02:27 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: evad
"I had to shop. I need to eat. I can't stay at home all day," said Kira Leonova, who works at a bookstore near one of the slaying scenes. "I have to work and I have a family."

Some perspective here. Despite the unusual nature of the slayings one still has to consider the odds of taking a bullet from whomever the psycho sniper/snipers are.

Maybe a few hundred million to one? Drive a car, fly in a plane, been near a thunderstorm lately?

Anyone in law enforcement, the media, the government et al that wants to take extra ordinary action or makes unsupported claims is just showing how stupid they are. They will look like a horse's ass when this is all over and should be held to account.

A grave situation of course. It's -not- time to declare matial law or trample civil rights.

Good police work and an aware and informed citizenry will get us through this event.

Hopefully there are enough left of both commodities to make a difference!
41 posted on 10/05/2002 8:04:05 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy
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To: Marauder; mhking; bluecollarman; marktwain; KantianBurke; Bahbah
"I heard from one source that the perp(s) are supposed to be Hispanic, but why couldn't they be Arabic? Isn't this the type of activity to expect from terrorists?"

This is the exact mission training films that were captured in Afghanistan depict. Perhaps we have seen a test run. No reason this won't work in any populated metropolitan area--to some degree it is surprising that we have a description of the shooting van and occupants.

You assume these guys are Arabs--the Hispanic lable is just an effort to be Politically Correct.

As depicted, the van is supposed to shoot from a significant range (600-900 yards) and with a silencer (the 5.56 NATO round is not very noisy anyway); it is pretty difficult to identify the source of the shooter.

I also have some difficulty thinking about what I would do to respond if I were standing there watching it happen with my own M-14 or riot gun--if you were in range, you might shoot at tires on the van.

If they dispatch fifty van teams around the country, what do we do about it and how long do we think it would take to shut them down? Bet this van is no longer white but now yellow, or orange, or blue or some other color. No reason they need this big a van--could be done with a minivan or pickup--the idea is to give the shooter a stable platform; in some of the training films, the shooter was using a pickup with a canopy.

They could dispatch 100 of these for a capital investment of $50,000 and 200 men exposed; we would never catch all 200--they might have a few casualties but probably not many.

If the government is going to continue to deprive us of our own weapons for self defense, what are they going to do to protect us against direct armed attacks?

42 posted on 10/05/2002 8:05:56 AM PDT by David
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To: Bahbah
I am aware that you may be more informed than I.

Not at all...I was just messin' witcha.

This guy may actually be competent..I hope so.

43 posted on 10/05/2002 8:06:21 AM PDT by evad
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To: Milwaukee_Guy
well said.
44 posted on 10/05/2002 8:08:24 AM PDT by evad
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To: Freeper 007
...I don't see a wave of terrorists coming from those Catholic countries.

Not until after a Communist and/or socialist leadership has had a few years to get them ready, starve them for a month, ship them to the Mexican border and point them northward after saying *Food!* and ringing Pavlov's bell for them. In this case, that would be the playing of General Santa Anna's Deguello...

-archy-/-

45 posted on 10/05/2002 8:16:53 AM PDT by archy
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To: alley cat
It detects "spyware" according to my computer-expert brother. We found some spyware on my hard drive, but nothing really bad so far. I'm going to keep using it.

It's about the same with me. My electrical engineer son sent the link for Ad-Aware. He said that it was supposed to remove spyware cookies. I assume that means you have to keep it updated. If Drudge is loading us up with spyware, then it doesn't speak well for his site.

46 posted on 10/05/2002 8:19:16 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: evad
Thanks for the kind word.

Maybe what we are missing in the Post 9/11 USA is a little -LEADERSHIP- from our elected officials and the media.

I think the President is doing a fair job in his own domain. I find the Senate one of the most dispicable cabals on the planet right now. How about the Senate letting the "Torch" go and create the current mess in NJ? How about the Senate giving the prior President a free pass. Look at the econimic and global political mess he left for the current administration.

Back on track...a possible "Major Address" by the president this Monday according to some reports. We really need Bush and his administration to lay out a clear path in the war on terrorism. They also need to "out" members of Congress and the media who are blatant obstuctionists. Maybe it's time to send the UN packing also.

Can anyone tell us where we want/need to be 5 or 10 years from now?

What -are- our goals as a Nation?
47 posted on 10/05/2002 8:26:05 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy
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To: Lion Den Dan
Out by White Mills. I will bring the sale notice to coffee this week.
48 posted on 10/05/2002 8:28:58 AM PDT by SLB
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To: nanrod
It could easily be that some of the sleeper-cell guys are going stir-crazy waiting for an order from bin-Missing which never comes, and have just decided to start killing people to keep their hands in it until it does...

That was essentially the case with the two Turkish Muslims in 1914 at the Australian mining town of Broken Hill, who opened fire on a holiday excursion train of miners and their families, killing several including some children, until dealt with by a miner's militia and mounted police patrol. Though it had taken several months for the word of a call to Jihad by the Grand Muftyi of Jerusalem to appear in newspapers that reached them once they learned of it, they spent an evening in oprayer and chanting, loaded up their *assault vehicle* [an ice-cream wagon] with rifles, ammunition and a homemade crescent flag, and set off about their deadly mission for their Religion of Peace.

If you're ever in the New South Wales area, check out the police museum, where a pair of rusting rifles, the flag and wheels of their cart are still on display- or were back around 1975, at any rate. The incident was among those considered by the writers of the *Mad Max* film screenplay.

But it's also worth considering the possibility that the shooters are terrorists working on a command *dead man's switch* with orders to begin depredations if they do not receive orders to the contrary at 6-month, annual or other periods, or on memorable anniversary dates or even birthdays. Anyone know conclusively when bin-Laden's date of birth was?

-archy-/-

49 posted on 10/05/2002 8:30:14 AM PDT by archy
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To: Bahbah
He is really a very impressive person. Articulate, thoughtful.

Did you see a different press conference? He made so many "foo-pahs" (his pronunciation) it was embarassing -- like going into a long and convoluted explanation about a vehicle being taken to Montgomery County for forensic tests, without explaining whose vehicle it was. When pressed by reporters, he said it was from the "Arlingon" shooting, then had to apologize and explain there was no shooting in Arlington.

Then he went into a long explanation of why they won't be processing the vehicle until 2 pm this afternoon: bottom line being that the forensics team is "tired." I'm sure the families of the victims, and the people of Maryland and Virginia are tired of being terrorized, but by all means, let's not overtax law enforcement!

Sorry, this guy is way over his head, and inspires zero confidence, IMHO.

The most bizarre thing about this case is that Moose is the former police chief of Portland, Oregon, home of the northeast Islamic jihad team that was arrested yesterday. Too weird.

50 posted on 10/05/2002 8:34:22 AM PDT by browardchad
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