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LET'S FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO CHIEF NEGOTIATOR!!
COB1 | 10-05-02 | COB1

Posted on 10/05/2002 9:15:25 AM PDT by COB1

Our friend, Herb Meadows, AKA CHIEF Negotiator, died in a house fire on October 4, of last year.

IT'S BEEN A YEAR, AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF HIS DEATH!

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!

Folks, I know the wheels of justice turn slowly, but sometimes they get stuck!
Let's get those wheels turning again!

I'm asking for an all out freep by e-mail and telephone to find out why he died and how he died!

Let's don't let the bureaucrats push this under the rug!

The name is Herbert Paul Meadows.
The date of birth is 08-28-48.
The case number is 011612-F.

Below is a list of e-mail addresses and telephone numbers of people we need to contact:

HOUSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT ARSON DIVISION - 713-865-9000.
Chief Kent of Arson Investigations - 713-551-2239.
Leo Gonzales - Detective - Arson Div. - 713-865-9055.
leocadio.gonzales@cityofhouston.net
Tyrone Freeman - Detective - Arson Div. - 713-551-2214.
tyrone.freeman@cityofhouston.net

Houston Police Department - 713-222-3131
Complaints Department - HPD - 713-308-0040
Citizen's Review Committee - HPD - 713-308-8939

Harris County Sheriff's Department - Detectives - 713-967-5810

District Attorney for Harris County - Charles Rosenthal - da@dao.co.harris.tx.us

MEDIA:

Houston Chronicle - hc@chron.com
Houston Press - feedback@houston-press.com
Texas Triangle - TXTRIANGLE@AOL.COM

Mix96 Radio:
Program Director
Larry and Bridget
Lori Bradley

Mayor Lee Brown - mayor@cityofhouston.net

Houston City Council:
Anise Parker - annise.parker@cityofhouston.net
Gordon Quan - atlarge2@cityofhouston.net
Shelly Sekula-Gibbs - atlarge3@cityofhouston.net
Michael Berry - atlarge4@cityofhouston.net
Carroll G. Robinson - atlarge5@cityofhouston.net
Bruce Tatro - bruce.tatro@cityofhouston.net
Carol Mims Galloway - districtb@cityofhouston.net
Mark Goldberg - districtc@cityofhouston.net
Ada Edwards - districtd@cityofhouston.net
Addie Wiseman - districte@cityofhouston.net
Mark Ellis - districtf@cityofhouston.net
Bert Keller - districtg@cityofhouston.net
Gabriel Vasquez - districth@cityofhouston.net
Carol Alvarado - districti@cityofhouston.net


LET'S ROLL !


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: arson; chiefnegotiator; investigation; murder; taxreform
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1 posted on 10/05/2002 9:15:25 AM PDT by COB1
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To: Jalapeno; ru4liberty; Dog Gone; Flyover Country; LadyX; philman_36; Scuttlebutt; xJones; amom; ...
Bumping for justice!!
2 posted on 10/05/2002 9:19:45 AM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
BUMPING FOR JUSTICE!!!!
3 posted on 10/05/2002 9:21:26 AM PDT by Defender2
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To: 1riot1ranger; Action-America; AfghanAirShow; aglax; Allegra; American72; AndyMeyers; antivenom; ...
Bumping for justice!
4 posted on 10/05/2002 9:22:15 AM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
bttt
5 posted on 10/05/2002 9:23:31 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: COB1
Well COB I'm all for justice, but after posting this I suggest you NEVER get caught in Houston alone for ANY reason! ;-)

(remind self .... more COB1 prayers)

6 posted on 10/05/2002 9:23:43 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: Billie; JulieRNR21; daisyscarlett; whoever; ru4liberty; MeeknMing; kitkat; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; ...
Bumping for justice!
7 posted on 10/05/2002 9:24:39 AM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
Will do!!!!! Imagine the impact on them, Monday morn!
8 posted on 10/05/2002 9:26:34 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
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To: COB1
We are printing out the information Cobby, and will help in any way we can. If we don't push them, they will let this one slip under the cracks and Justice will never be done for the Chief!
Thanks so much for all you are doing to see that the Chief's MURDERER does not go unpunished!
9 posted on 10/05/2002 9:29:01 AM PDT by ladyinred
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Thanks for the prayers, HC.
I'm going to need 'em!
My wives always said that I'm like a bull in a china closet!
Let's see if we can tear this thing apart!
10 posted on 10/05/2002 9:29:11 AM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
Bump for justice!!
11 posted on 10/05/2002 9:30:30 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: Clovis_Skeptic; Miss Marple; gracie1; Cultural Jihad; MadIvan; rintense
BTTT!
12 posted on 10/05/2002 9:31:46 AM PDT by ladyinred
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To: COB1
Oh! No
I liked the Chief.... many posts and replys....
A HOUSE FIRE....!.

The subject of his rants and appypappys we're very good.
reeling(me)......will come back and get busy...

13 posted on 10/05/2002 9:31:50 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: COB1
Go for it, COB1....Chief was one of the reasons I signed on to Free Republic after lurking for a year...my first post was to him, my first reply was from him. I'll always have a warm place in my heart for him and I'm outraged that his death is still a mystery. Anything you can do to see justice served has my prayers and good wishes.
14 posted on 10/05/2002 9:33:19 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: COB1
Great idea! A little 'spam' is just what they need. : )
15 posted on 10/05/2002 9:33:24 AM PDT by ST.LOUIE1
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To: COB1
It is worth a try....... thank you for sticking with this for so long Cob - few friends would have put out so much effort.
16 posted on 10/05/2002 9:35:35 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: ladyinred
Thanks, dear friend.
Give old chadsey an extra dog biscuit for his help.
{{{HUGS !}}}
17 posted on 10/05/2002 9:35:51 AM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
THANK YOU COB1
18 posted on 10/05/2002 9:36:57 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Thanks, Texas girl!

There's a mistaken impression among bureaucrats that all we can do is stand on the corner, wave flags and shout.
We do a darn good job of that, but with this many patriots, we can do a LOT more than that!

19 posted on 10/05/2002 9:38:51 AM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
What a sad anniversary. Mr. D. is a prosecutor...I'll see if he is willing to review the info. you've provided and contact the D.A. or atleast give us suggestions on the best ways to put pressure on whoever....
20 posted on 10/05/2002 9:49:26 AM PDT by dutchess
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To: COB1
Another bump for the Chief.
21 posted on 10/05/2002 9:51:12 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: COB1
Done! We need to let them know that we haven't forgotten and they can't just close this up or pretend it didn't happen. We want to know what happened and we want justice.
22 posted on 10/05/2002 9:53:39 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: COB1
Bless you, Coby, for not giving up. What a FRiend you are. Thank you......BUMP for the truth and justice.
23 posted on 10/05/2002 9:54:08 AM PDT by Billie
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To: dutchess
If Mr. "D" is interested, tell him I have more that I can't put out here because I can't back it up.
I've been cut off from some of my sources.
24 posted on 10/05/2002 9:55:25 AM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
Bump for the Chief,We miss you.
25 posted on 10/05/2002 10:01:16 AM PDT by fatima
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To: COB1
Pressure like this might very well help. If nothing else, we'll have some investigators pulling files out of the cabinet on Monday to see where the case stalled.
26 posted on 10/05/2002 10:13:51 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: COB1
Don't think you are alone in this. I read every thread and do care, I just seem to have nothing to contribute.

Now there is something I can do...Will begin now to write!

Thanks for your efforts for a fellow FREEPER.
27 posted on 10/05/2002 10:15:58 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: COB1
Bump for the CHIEF..
And wilco.
28 posted on 10/05/2002 10:19:42 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: COB1
BUMPTTT!!!

29 posted on 10/05/2002 10:23:07 AM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: COB1
BTTT!
30 posted on 10/05/2002 10:26:58 AM PDT by martian_22
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To: COB1
Wilco Cobby.

Please be careful. You're dealing with a case involving at least one very dangerous character.
31 posted on 10/05/2002 10:27:06 AM PDT by Barnacle
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To: COB1; carenot; Billie; Invictus; Scuttlebutt; Daus; razorback-bert; beowolf; harrowup; ...
On the thread linked with the Autopsy and Investigative Reports, carenot, you had posted this:

"No one thinks about Herb now.

He is old news."

How incredibly wrong you are, indicated by just that last thread exceeding 900 replies.

So many of who knew CHIEF and interacted with him or just saw his passion for the tax issues and All Things Military will ALWAYS remember him.

The minute the hands on the clock swung to 0001 on 4 October 2002, my thoughts focused on remembering him, and through my waking hours.

It was my privilege to interact in 1998 and beyond on the Original Freeper Island Series with Billie and Scuttlebutt and Daus and A1stus and harrowup and others - an island in the Marquesas that knew no war, according to Invictus.

Invictus knew, serving in WWII under MacArthur and seeing action all over the Pacific.
We sailed there with Invictus in September 1998 to establish a getaway from Clinton and the Whitewater affairs, where the First Rule was Utmost Civility.

Invictus went from the war to becoming a Military Chaplain, serving two tours in the Korean Conflict, and retired in that capacity.
He escorted 'Home' many of our brothers, and even in retirement, was asked personally by President Reagan to escort 13 bodies found in North Korea and returned long after the war to their final resting places.

CHIEF was a great contributor to our little paradise, once stating he had 'altered' the grass skirts Billie and I had for the Friday night luau lessons - mowed 'em down to 4" long!

He also was our navigator, through a misunderstanding of the words negotiator and navigator, in the now ongoing Sea Sagas with ofMagog.

carenot, he is unforgettable to many, unfailingly kind to newcomers and oldsters alike.

If the power of Free Republic is what we think it is, surely THE MEDIA can be prompted to 'do the walking' for us!
I think success lies most strongly in appealing to them to assist us with this!

That kind of challenge is right up their alley!

~ ~ ~ This was your very last gif(t) to us, CHIEF ~ ~ ~

Your light will shine on and in us Phorever ~ ~ ~


32 posted on 10/05/2002 10:46:30 AM PDT by LadyX
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The term I would use isn't murder, but assassination. The CHIEF was assassinated.

Before I wade in knocking heads, as I intend to do, I need to be better informed.

What is the status of the investigation? It is considered a closed case?

What specifically are we asking for? That the case be reopened, or that the investigators devote more manpower to a case that is open, but inactive?

Are there obvious point men who are standing in the way of the case moving forward? Or is it simply a matter of the police running out of leads, throwing up their hands and declaring themselves stumped?

33 posted on 10/05/2002 10:51:48 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: COB1
BTTT and extra prayers for his wife.
34 posted on 10/05/2002 11:04:14 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Physicist; COB1
Good questions in #33.
35 posted on 10/05/2002 11:11:15 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: COB1
I admire your friendship and dedication to this gentleman.
36 posted on 10/05/2002 11:16:55 AM PDT by LaGrone
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To: COB1; Physicist
Perhaps you can provide an overview of the case for Freepers to copy and use in their e-mails, calls, snail mail, faxes.

A Summary:

- of who and what he was

- of known activities of that last evening/night

- some of the 'oddities' of the fire, and the location of where his body was found, not by the sink where he might have sought water to soothe burns, but in a fetal position on the floor beside the commode

- unique things found in the autopsy - marks - possible evidence of 'torture' ??

- statement that to the best you can determine, it HAS been ruled, supposedly, Closed so far as the INSURANCE company is concerned

- supposedly NOT Closed so far as the Arson Investigators are concerned

- etc.

37 posted on 10/05/2002 11:36:45 AM PDT by LadyX
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Thanks for the ping, COB and the reminder of the anniversary of Chief's death.

Hopefully our e-mails and phone calls will bring action and results from the local officials.
38 posted on 10/05/2002 11:37:36 AM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: COB1; LadyX
Thank you both for the pings and to COB, for all your hard work and faithful dedication to solving Herb's murder.

It's clear he was killed. Clear as a bell. Now, the $64,000 question is WHO and WHY.

Sadly, only the police will know, and for whatever reason they aren't talking. Nor are they moving - as far as we can tell. Too bad they won't take your calls. IMO, they're closing the lines of communication. That makes zero sense to me. ZERO!

Justice for Chief BUMP!
39 posted on 10/05/2002 11:41:47 AM PDT by Humidston
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Cob,

The writer who wrote the original snippet about the fire in the Chronicle was S.K. BARDWELL. I just checked the Chron site, and Bardwell is still writing crime articles for the paper.

I recommend you contact this person and discuss what data you have. Maybe the Chronicle asking questions would cause some movement on the case.

What is the status of the home at this time?

40 posted on 10/05/2002 11:49:26 AM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: COB1
Check your e-mail for Something Very Important !!
41 posted on 10/05/2002 11:49:48 AM PDT by LadyX
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To: Humidston
Bump for Friends of CHIEF bumps!
42 posted on 10/05/2002 11:53:08 AM PDT by LadyX
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To: LadyX
BUMP
43 posted on 10/05/2002 11:54:56 AM PDT by lucyblue
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To: Physicist; All
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply.

According to the Chief of Arson Investigators, this case is still open and under investigation.
It's inconceivable to me that if it's a simple case of accidental death that the case would still be under investigation.
It appears that there are some power plays involved that we know nothing about.
I know there is intense rivalry between the HPD and the Arson Division, but I don't know if this is a contributing factor.
The HPD does not get involved in cases handled by the Arson Division unless they are specifically asked to do so.
Since both departments are in competition for the same funds, that automatically makes them rivals.
In other words, a piss poor way to run any investigation!

44 posted on 10/05/2002 11:57:10 AM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
Thanks for helping us take some action, COB1....
45 posted on 10/05/2002 12:01:24 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Physicist
What I would like to see everyone ask for is that this case be solved - plain and simple!
I'm no longer satisfied to accept the excuse that the "investigation is still in progress".
That's a cop-out!

If it means putting more manpower toward solving it, then do it!
If there are some power people who don't want this thing solved, then I want to know who they are!
If this involves police corruption or incompetence, then let's air it out!
We are being sandbagged, and it's time for that to stop!

46 posted on 10/05/2002 12:02:52 PM PDT by COB1
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To: All
Please, if those of you from out of town can FReep HFD, you can take the spotlight off of COB and may indeed bring this case to a conclusion! Please take a moment to email.

United we stand...

47 posted on 10/05/2002 12:05:17 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: Jalapeno
I got that, Jalapeno!
He/she will be contacted!
Thanks a bunch!
48 posted on 10/05/2002 12:05:48 PM PDT by COB1
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To: Humidston
"you can take the spotlight off of COB"

Thanks, Humid!
I don't worry about that spotlight as much as I do that little red laser dot on my chest!
LOL!

49 posted on 10/05/2002 12:08:26 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
http://www.tdi.state.tx.us/commish/lcoprc1i.html

Cob, don't rely on just the City of Houston. Have you written to these folks, registered letter, return receipt requested? Suspected arson by the homeowner's carrier's claims adjuster is referred here for investigation. An arson report is a public document. It's worth a letter. Refer to the arson case file #, date of incident, address, insurance company, named insureds: Mrs. Chief, Alwayswatching - IIRC.

Explain that as a close, long-time friend of Herb Meadows, you are requesting a status report; that you have been unable to obtain any information from Houston Arson Division since the first report was issued on ________. Include a copy of it along with your letter. Ask them to inform you of any fee required to obtain status report. Make a couple of copies of your letter in case you have to write the state's atty general down the road. You'll be able to demonstrate to that office of the effort you've made, prior to writing him.

You might preface all of the above by writing to the arson investigators, and that chief with registered letters, return receipt requested. It leaves a deeper impression than just a phone call or email, imo. Plus you'll have all that 'pending' crap in writing, when they respond. That might raise their eyebrows a notch or two. If they *don't* respond, you can demonstrate that to the atty gen down the road, too, with copies of *those* letters.

50 posted on 10/05/2002 12:09:56 PM PDT by top of the world ma
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