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Asteroid 'Hit Northern Russia'
Ananova ^ | 10-4-2002

Posted on 10/05/2002 12:02:00 PM PDT by blam

Asteroid 'hit northern Russia'

A large meteorite is thought to have smashed into a forest in a remote area of Russia.

Residents in the town of Bodaibo, in the Irkutsk region of Siberia, saw a large luminous body fall from the sky.

They say the impact caused the ground to shake and made a sound like thunder.

Flashes of bright light could be seen above the impact site, which was a long way from any settlements according to the Russian newspaper Pravda.

"Locals felt a strong shock, which could be comparable to an earthquake," said the report. "In addition to that, the people also heard a thunder-like sound."

Asteroid expert Dr Benny Peiser, from Liverpool John Moore's University, said: "If the eyewitness accounts are confirmed, this fact of an earth tremor together with thunder-like explosive sounds would indicate a rather significant impact event."

He said the incident occurred on the same day as the US House of Representatives debated the need to search for smaller asteroids and the danger of mistaking impacts for nuclear attacks.

At least 30 times a year, asteroids smash into the Earth's atmosphere and explode with the force of a nuclear bomb.

These smaller asteroids, between 200 and 500 metres wide, could potentially demolish a city with a direct hit or cause tsunamis - giant waves - capable of wiping out entire coastal areas if they land in the ocean.

Astronomers estimate there could be between 900 and 1,300 large asteroids measuring one kilometre or more in our part of the solar system, while the number of smaller bodies could amount to 50,000.

Story filed: 18:25 Friday 4th October 2002


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Russia
KEYWORDS: asteroid; bodaibo; catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; irkutsk; northern; nuketest; russia; siberia; tunguska
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Has anyone seen this in the news? Tunguska-2?
1 posted on 10/05/2002 12:02:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
US general fears asteroid explosion could trigger nuclear war

A high-ranking US military official has warned it's possible a stray asteroid could trigger atomic war.

Air Force Brigadier General Simon P. Worden voiced his fears to members of a House Science sub-committee.

General Worden is deputy director for operations of the US Strategic Command.

He said about 30 times a year space rock smashes into the atmosphere and explodes, releasing energy equal to that of an atomic bomb.

He believes there is a chance the explosions could be mistaken for a nuclear attack.

The United States has satellite instruments that determine within a minute if the explosion is a nuclear weapon or a natural explosion from an asteroid.

But General Worden says no other countries have such technology and without it, some could conclude they have come under attack.

He cited an example of an asteroid explosion in August, while Pakistan and India were at full alert over Kashmir.

He said a few weeks before US satellites detected an atmospheric flash over the Mediterranean that indicated "an energy release comparable to the Hiroshima burst.

"The resulting panic in the nuclear-armed and hair-triggered opposing forces could have been the spark that ignited a nuclear horror we have avoided for over a half-century," the general said.

Story filed: 08:38 Friday 4th October 2002

2 posted on 10/05/2002 12:05:55 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
A large meteorite is thought to have smashed into a forest in a remote area of Russia.

Why can't these damn things ever hit somewhere like Mecca?

3 posted on 10/05/2002 12:07:03 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: blam
This is interesting. A piece of comet hit Siberia in 1908. It exploded with such force that is flattened miles of forest. I've seen recent pictures that are pretty interesting.
4 posted on 10/05/2002 12:07:58 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: blam
No, but yesterday one of the news issues was the possible effects of an asteroid hit. They said America can pretty much know when one is comming, but not 3rd world countries. They might think they have been hit by a bomb instead.
Must be the US knew it was comming, and maybe Russia too. Or we warned Russia.
Anyway, the concern was if it were to hit, say, Iraq, India or Iran. They'd think they were at war.
5 posted on 10/05/2002 12:09:52 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; PatrickHenry
Boom!
6 posted on 10/05/2002 12:10:23 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: blam
"At least 30 times a year, asteroids smash into the Earth's atmosphere and explode with the force of a nuclear bomb."

Are there any astronomers in our ranks? This stat seems very high.

I would think that if 30 astronds hit with this sort of impact each year that a city would have disappeared by now.

7 posted on 10/05/2002 12:11:38 PM PDT by shadowman99
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To: blam
BTTT
8 posted on 10/05/2002 12:12:37 PM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: Mulder
"Why can't these damn things ever hit somewhere like Mecca?"

Funny you should ask. Some folks feel the sacred rock of the Ka'ba in Mecca is in fact of meteoric origin.

From http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/legend.htm:

"The wall of the Ka'ba, the holiest shrine of Islam at Mecca contains a black stone that has been reported to be of meteoritic origin. The stone which measures 16 by 20 cm and is held together by a silver band. Legend has it that the angel Gabriel gave the stone to the patriarch Abraham who built it into his house. The stone passed to the prophet Mohammed who built it into the wall of the Ka'ba. The black stone is not an object of worship, but is a venerated relict. Students of the matter now believe that the black stone is not meteoric, but may be impact glass, perhaps from the meteor crater at Wabar, about 100 km from Mecca."
9 posted on 10/05/2002 12:12:41 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I've seen those same pictures on the Discovery Channel --- Tunguska, 1908. No crater was found because the icy comet exploded in the earth's atmosphere before contact with the ground.
10 posted on 10/05/2002 12:13:41 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: shadowman99
astroids!!! Not Astronds!!! Or Osmonds or anything else....

FR needs a spell checker...

11 posted on 10/05/2002 12:13:55 PM PDT by shadowman99
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To: Mulder
"Why can't these damn things ever hit somewhere like Mecca?"

They did, where do you think they got the rock they worship?

12 posted on 10/05/2002 12:15:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: shadowman99
astroids!!! Not Astronds!!!

Actually, it's asteroids.

13 posted on 10/05/2002 12:16:32 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: blam
Residents in the town of Bodaibo, in the Irkutsk region of Siberia, saw a large luminous body fall from the sky. They say the impact caused the ground to shake and made a sound like thunder.

Jerrold Nadler?

14 posted on 10/05/2002 12:17:48 PM PDT by bootless
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
"Legend has it that the angel Gabriel gave the stone to the patriarch Abraham who built it into his house."

I actually believe the angel Gabriel was the asteroid.

15 posted on 10/05/2002 12:18:07 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
They did, where do you think they got the rock they worship?

It just fell a few hundred years early.

16 posted on 10/05/2002 12:18:23 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: blam
town of Bodaibo, in the Irkutsk region of Siberia,

Life isn't hard enough there without the sky falling? Those poor people must be scared out of their wits. I hope they don't blame it on GWB, but they probably will. Everything in the world and elsewhere is his fault, doncha know.

17 posted on 10/05/2002 12:19:08 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: Mulder
Or New Joisey........
18 posted on 10/05/2002 12:19:48 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Rye
Interesting link HERE.
19 posted on 10/05/2002 12:19:51 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: PoisedWoman
I hope they don't blame it on GWB, but they probably will.

Did the asteroid get UN approval?

20 posted on 10/05/2002 12:20:37 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: shadowman99
Are there any astronomers in our ranks? This stat seems very high. I would think that if 30 astronds hit with this sort of impact each year that a city would have disappeared by now.

Because cities are somewhat rare in the upper atmosphere, where most of these blasts occur. And even if 30 atomic blast-sized asteroid explosions occured randomly each year on the Earth's surface, which isn't the case, the odds of them blowing up in a densely populated area are extraordinarily remote.

21 posted on 10/05/2002 12:21:05 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: blam
So which is it? An asteroid, or a meteorite?
22 posted on 10/05/2002 12:22:09 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
The stone passed to the prophet Mohammed who built it into the wall of the Ka'ba

Sure the "to" really isn't "from"?

23 posted on 10/05/2002 12:23:33 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: shadowman99
Here is a link I found regarding "snowball" comets and the theory that our oceans are the result of a continuous cometary bombardment.

Sone Cones at the State Fair?

24 posted on 10/05/2002 12:24:09 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: shadowman99
I would think that if 30 astronds hit with this sort of impact each year that a city would have disappeared by now.

I would think that the equivalent of 30 nukes a year going off in the atmosphere would be rather more noticeable than it is, wouldn't it?

25 posted on 10/05/2002 12:25:20 PM PDT by templar
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To: OldFriend
Or New Joisey........

On the Trenton NJDMV offices to be more precise.

Private gripe

26 posted on 10/05/2002 12:27:00 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: blam
"Someone set us up the asteroid"?
27 posted on 10/05/2002 12:27:39 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: shadowman99
Most of the impacts are absorbed in the atmosphere.
28 posted on 10/05/2002 12:28:53 PM PDT by fire and forget
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To: Chad Fairbanks
"So which is it? An asteroid, or a meteorite?"

Sounds like the jury is still out, huh?

29 posted on 10/05/2002 12:29:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; All
I keep telling you guys, God throws rocks!
30 posted on 10/05/2002 12:30:49 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: templar
"I would think that the equivalent of 30 nukes a year going off in the atmosphere would be rather more noticeable than it is, wouldn't it?"

I actually posted a thread on one that exploded off the California coast last year.

31 posted on 10/05/2002 12:31:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I'm a little skeptical of this "nuclear-sized impact" 30 times a year ....

I've been reading about these since hte early 60's and have neever seen that number before.....
32 posted on 10/05/2002 12:32:25 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE
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To: blam
Oh, kewl! Feels like 1908 all over again. Did they see that they missed and fired another shot? Hmmmm. We could put it on a range ring--OK, range sphere if we allow for the light propagation speed. 94 years since 1908, divide by two for the one-way distance. Somebody 47 light years away is shooting at Siberia.
33 posted on 10/05/2002 12:33:00 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: blam
One point... An asteroid is a larger object than a meteor. Meteorites routinely hit Earth, but large events seldom occur in a person's lifetime. However, given the larger scope of human development in our lifetimes, chances are increasing that meteorities could cause problems. The Tunguska event has been theorized to be either cometary debris or a meteorite. Meteor strikes should have created substantial debris and crating. If memory serves, scientists were unable to locate an impact site. Thus, the cometary explanation (being ice and methane) surfaced.
34 posted on 10/05/2002 12:33:02 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: templar
I would think that the equivalent of 30 nukes a year going off in the atmosphere would be rather more noticeable than it is, wouldn't it?

There was an account, back in the seventies I believe, of airline passengers near Alaska noticing a huge explosion out their windows. There were no other reports. So yes, it is amazing that such things can happen without our taking greater notice.

35 posted on 10/05/2002 12:33:24 PM PDT by JoeSchem
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To: Piltdown_Woman
These things shouldn't be happening in an intelligently designed universe.
36 posted on 10/05/2002 12:33:34 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: blam
Well, when the headline reads asteroid, and the first sentence of the article says Meteorite, well, it was just a question crying out to be asked.... :0)
37 posted on 10/05/2002 12:36:45 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: blam
This omen should not flim-flam us
I read it first in Nostradamus.

Leni

38 posted on 10/05/2002 12:37:56 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: PatrickHenry
These things shouldn't be happening in an intelligently designed universe.

neither should Barry Manilow, rap, or Rosie O'Donell.

39 posted on 10/05/2002 12:38:41 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: PatrickHenry
These things shouldn't be happening in an intelligently designed universe.

Why is that?




40 posted on 10/05/2002 12:40:07 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: PatrickHenry
Why not?
41 posted on 10/05/2002 12:42:56 PM PDT by BullDog108
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Just to calrify to everyone...

A meteor is a meteor. A >relatively< small chuck of rock. An asteroid is a >relatively< large chucnk of rock.

A meteorite is a meteor AFTER it impacts the Earth. prisoner6

42 posted on 10/05/2002 12:43:29 PM PDT by prisoner6
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To: Mulder; RightOnTheLeftCoast; blam
Why can't these damn things ever hit somewhere like Mecca?

I have it on good authority that a meteor stream lasting from one week to two months will be falling in and around Baghdad sometime in the next two to four months.

Reportedly up to thousands of small to medium sized meteors, highly accurate.

43 posted on 10/05/2002 12:44:09 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: prisoner6
I bet the same journalists that wrote this article also wrote the article about the semi-automatic revolver with the silencer...
44 posted on 10/05/2002 12:47:06 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: blam
I know Pete Worden fairly well and I think he is right. I first mentioned that this problem deserves a higher priority more than ten years ago. It hasn't.
45 posted on 10/05/2002 12:47:07 PM PDT by Movemout
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To: BullDog108; Sabertooth
Because it's untidy. That's my opinion.
46 posted on 10/05/2002 12:48:09 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Nothing redeemable here............
47 posted on 10/05/2002 12:51:51 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: blam

Here is a satellite picture of a cloud that formed over Greenland after a meteor (asteroid) hit in 1997

 

GOES-8 visible image on 9 December 1997

The GOES-EAST visible image at 1445 UTC gives a nice view of a distinct high cloud over southern Greenland near local noon:

Image
corresponding coastline map:
Image
The "+" marks the reported impact point at 61.4N, 44.4W. Latitude and longitude lines are sketched at 2 degree intervals, based on the reported GOES earth-navigation. At this time, the navigated map's coastlines fall 3 pixels south and one pixel west of the observed coastlines, within the GOES earth-navigation error tolerances of 4 visible pixels.

Unfortunately, Greenland is too dark in December to provide visible images during the other GOES-8 observation times, such as 1145 and 1745 UTC.

GOES-8 infrared images on 9 December 1997

Fortunately, Greenland can be seen every three hours in the GOES-8 thermal infrared channel ("I04", or Imager channel 4 at 11 microns) with lower resolution:

Image GIF animation

Image coastline map ("+" marks impact point)

Image 0245 UTC (local midnight)

Image 0545 UTC

Image 0845 UTC (30 minutes after impact)

Image 1145 UTC

Image 1445 UTC (local noon)

Image 1745 UTC

Image 2045 UTC

Image 2345 UTC

A cold, high cloud appears over southeastern Greenland at 0845 UTC, 30 minutes after the reported impact, with faint hints of cloud formation along the center ridge of the southern Greenland ice cap at 0545 UTC.


48 posted on 10/05/2002 12:52:11 PM PDT by Lokibob
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To: blam
Siberia seems to be a magnet for these things. They're always blowing, flattening forests, blasting out craters.
49 posted on 10/05/2002 12:54:45 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: PatrickHenry
Your above #36 post reminds me of a Monty Python statement: "We're all bozo's on this bus"...we just need some proof we're not.

Best FReegareds...Mustang sends.
50 posted on 10/05/2002 12:56:00 PM PDT by Mustang
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