3 border agents shot at in 2 weeks

Arizona Daily Star ^ | October 5, 2002 | Tim Steller

[Selmo]

Three U.S. Border Patrol agents have reported being shot at in separate incidents west of Tucson since Sept. 23.

Only once did an agent return fire, agency spokesman Ryan Scudder said. No agents were injured, and it was unclear whether anyone was struck by the agent's gunfire.

In the first incident, about 2 a.m. on Sept. 23, an agent was driving west along the border, about a mile east of San Miguel Gate, when he heard three shots fired from the Mexican side of the border, Scudder said. One round struck the left rear side of the agent's marked Chevrolet Tahoe.

The agent left the area and did not return fire, Scudder said. The agent did not see any people or vehicles in the area where the shots originated.

San Miguel Gate is a popular but informal border crossing on the Tohono O'odham Nation, about 30 miles south of Sells and 65 miles southwest of Tucson.

At about 4 p.m. on Sept. 26, an agent was driving south toward Serapo Gate, another informal crossing on the reservation, about 20 miles west of San Miguel Gate. Another vehicle going south passed the agent, and someone fired at the agent as that vehicle passed, Scudder said.

That agent returned fire, but it was unclear whether he struck the vehicle or anyone inside, said Scudder, who did not have a vehicle description.

About 3 a.m. Tuesday, an agent working on foot had just discovered a group of border crossers in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument when he heard a gunshot, Scudder said. The agent also said he heard a bullet ricochet off a rock.

Agents searched for eight hours but could not find evidence of the bullet or the shooter, Scudder said.

The three incidents were the latest in a series of gunfire attacks on agents in Southern Arizona this year. Tucson Sector agents reported being fired on at least seven times in the fiscal year that ended Monday, Scudder said.

In March, a drug smuggler fleeing back to Mexico fired repeatedly on agents near Naco.

In May, an agent working near Papago Farms, about 100 miles southwest of Tucson, reported being fired on by Mexican soldiers driving a Humvee.

In July, an agent working in the same area reported being chased and fired on by men in a pickup, and returning fire. No one is known to have been hit in any of these three incidents.

But in August, a man believed to be a drug smuggler shot and killed National Park Service Ranger Kris Eggle as he worked alongside Border Patrol agents in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. In that case, Eggle's killer, Panfilo Murillo Aguila, was then shot to death by Mexican officers on their side of the border.

Edward "Bud" Tuffly, the president of the agents union in Southern Arizona, said agents are wondering whether there will be a response to the shootings.

"If something is being done, they're not being told about it," Tuffly said. "That has a demoralizing effect on the agents."

[holyscroller]

My suggestions: booby traps, machine guns, razor wire, rottweillers, 10,000 troops, and Marine Inspector in charge!

[B4Ranch]

"If something is being done, they're not being told about it," Tuffly said. "That has a demoralizing effect on the agents."

PRESIDENT BUSH, GET OFF YOUR ASS AND PROTECT AMERICA'S BORDERS!!!

[B4Ranch]

Retired Disabled Veterans need your help, or buddy can you spare a minute or two? Attention: VetsCoR

[Marine Inspector]

My suggestions: booby traps, machine guns, razor wire, rottweillers, 10,000 troops, and Marine Inspector in charge!

I can start tomorrow.

[holyscroller]

Report in the morning, Sir!

[FreedomFriend]

More shots. My goodness, you'd think that Bush would get a clue.

[Marine Inspector]

My goodness, you'd think that Bush would get a clue.

Bush couldn’t get a clue if it was handed to him.

[FlyVet]

Only once did an agent return fire, agency spokesman Ryan Scudder said.

Sooner or later, sooner or later....

Mad Minute = deterrence.

[FreedomFriend]

Unfortunately, I think that he has a clue. The problem is that he is a Globalist, and he errs on the side of National Sovereignty. He's envisioning the big Pan-American Union.

[Mark17]

My suggestions: booby traps, machine guns, razor wire, rottweillers, 10,000 troops, and Marine Inspector in charge!

LOL, how un PC of you. I agree, by they way.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Bump that.....

PRESIDENT BUSH, GET OFF YOUR ASS AND PROTECT AMERICA'S BORDERS!!!

[Risa]

You express my sentiments exactly, holyscroller.

Since when do Americans tolerate acts of war perpetrated by Mexican or any other nationals against American citzens?



risa

[MissAmericanPie]

Washington cannot be allowed to turn a blind eye to our borders. It will be a HUGE issue in 2004.

[FreedomFriend]

I'd say that there are 10 to 1 odds that he won't do it.

[Marine Inspector]

He's envisioning the big Pan-American Union.

I'd like to tell you what I really think, but JimRob and his BushBots would turn me in.

[B4Ranch]

The Republicans refuse to discuss "our borders"!

[Joe Hadenuf]

Securing our borders and our sovereignty is not part of the Republican agenda. Not in their plan.......

[American Soldier]

Sounds like they get some action down there. Makes me want to think about being a border patrolman. What is the GS promotion potential for that job?

Shouldn't be a pure law enforcement function anyway. They should be under DOD as a separate arm of the military, trained at military bases rather than the Federal law enforcement academy, and simply be given special law enforcement jurisdiction in the national border area.

Then, some of the border state national guard units should be converted from Army/Air National Guard units into Border Patrol National Guard units, and each company sized element, instead of meeting one weekend a month, would have duty rotated so that some folks from the company patrolled a certain stretch every day, getting relieved by someone else after their 24 hour or so shift.

This way the land would be guarded by locals with the greatest vested interest in protecting the area and also people who would be acclimatized and possess a native's understanding of the terrain.

[FreedomFriend]

You're right. It's not in the Democrats' plan, either.

What was it that GHWB spoke of eleven years ago?

[RAWGUY]

Great idea my friend...please consider the following:

Air drop land mines the full extent of the border and make this known. Then maintain it on a regular basis in the areas of activity. We will not need 10,000 troops but only about 1000 true hunter/killer types in squads of five that are mobile and are ready to hunt and kill and like it.*S* They should recieve bonuses for every kill made as an incentive. They should also recieve extra bonuses for every coyote on this side that they kill. Mangaged by a very hungry for action Marine is a very good idea and he should have the authority to police and even execute anyone of his own forces that are found to take payola. What are your thoughts on this?

[MissAmericanPie]

Let's don't give them a choice.

[RLK]

I like your attitude.

[RLK]

PRESIDENT BUSH, GET OFF YOUR ASS AND PROTECT AMERICA'S BORDERS!!!

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Not necessary. Bush and Fox are planning on moving the border north of California ans north of Texas to end the problem.

[marron]

It is time to begin using National Guard units to patrol troublesome portions of the border.

There are specific areas where Mexican soldiers are crossing for who-knows-what-purpose, specific areas where illegals are dying in the desert, and specific areas where criminals are crossing to commit crimes, and then escaping through the fence.

In each of these cases, the Border Patrol is insufficient to the task. They are outgunned by the soldiers, and the illegals are dying in areas too rugged to be patrolled by pickup trucks.

National Guard patrols can be ordered by the governor, without any big production. It can be explained to the press as a humanitarian effort, where it is.

In the case of the renegade Mexican soldiers, who have already killed one Border agent and have attacked others, this requires a different approach. There are Ranger and Special Forces National Guard units. These should be deployed in the trouble areas, on both sides of the border. The renegade soldiers come from specific units, led by specific officers, who have names. And addresses. They should be dealt with quietly, and no word of it should ever be spoken publicly.

[janetgreen]

Securing our borders and our sovereignty is not part of the Republican agenda. Not in their plan.......

And for that reason, millions of Americans will not vote Republican in '04. I will vote third party. Those of us who supported Bush have been made fools of because of his inability to cut the umbilical cord with Mexico.

[Risa]

"He's envisioning the big Pan-American Union."

FreedomFriend....

Even though I voted for him and have traditionally supported the republican platform, I do not believe this is about George Bush's political philosophy.

I personally think he hasn't the depth of intellect to even possess a well thought out political philosophy. Afterall, before he was elected, he stated with sniggering pride that he had never bothered to read the international news.

I believe he is catering to his big corporate buddies who desire cheap labor (and god knows what his deal with Mexico's Fox is all about).

Whatever he is; he deceived the American people who elected him into office. He certainly didn't espouse the view that he wanted a free flow of people into the US from Mexico when he campaigned. No one would have voted for him (except the minority interest groups he caters to.)

Who would ever have thought that he'd ignore the pleas for help from the border patrol, abandoning them to a hopeless situation and possible death, or that he'd ignore the pleas of help from the American citizens who live in those areas and fear stepping outside at night, because they may be shot by armed foreign nationals, smuggling mexicans and drugs?

We need a new GOP candidate for 2004. Tom Tancredo seems to me our only hope for maintaining the sovereignity of our nation and the liberal democracy that has served us so well for more than 200 years.

Just some thoughts.
risa

[FreedomFriend]

ping

[FreedomFriend]

It's an act.

Bush knows what he is doing. He's not stupid.

This is about Globalism. I'm pretty sure about that. "Free Trade", the free flow of goods and peoples across boundaries, the "trade of the Americas", a "Pax Americana", and later an Americas styled currency.

Time will tell if things go in America's favor, but I wouldn't count on it.

[danmar]

...wuss, just shoot the mother!

[FreedomFriend]

Janet, they're good buddies. Senor, Vicente and his buddy Bush have "plans".

[Texas_Jarhead]

I'll second that motion with the addition of claymores

[alphadog]

"I'd like to tell you what I really think, but JimRob and his BushBots would turn me in."

I'll say it...Bush is a RINO

[Risa]

B4Ranch,

Thanks for an enlightening read...and how awful,just awful, and to save 2 billion dollars.

Is freedom not worth 2 billion dollars?

risa

[RAWGUY]

Oh Yeah..I forgot to say something...My Father (Sgt. "Big RED ONE" WWII) taught me to fire weapons and to hunt as well. We are all from TN. and hunting was a way of life for us. He taught my Brothers and I how to use weapons and how to hunt and sent us out to do that very thing,(I was about 10 years old at the time). He would give us a whole box of rounds for every time that we would return with game for every round spent. One shot for one kill was the reward and I never had to buy my own rounds while this rule was in effect. I still have some of those rounds for sentimental reasons.*S* If you looking for recruits you may want to consider this...let me know your thoughts and please know that I do like the way you think about this growing problem....GOD Bless.

[SwordofTruth]

PRESIDENT BUSH, GET OFF YOUR ASS AND PROTECT AMERICA'S BORDERS!!!

When the next terrorist strike occurs, what will the federal government's excuse be for not guarding our borders better?

It's not hard to understand how Clinton became president when one sees how stupid and gullible the average American has become. Maybe America is getting the government that it deserves. Self-destruction is a great waste.

A country without God, is a country without hope.

[Risa]

FreedomFriend...

"It's an act."

oh.

geeze, what an ass I am. I fell for it.

And all along I've been puzzled by his seeming ability to function in his position with what seemed to be a CroMagnon brain.

risa

[philetus]

Thanks for the ping.
We got aliens flooding into our country,clogging and bankrupting our schools and hospitals.
Getting preferencial treatment from gov. agencies who are breaking the law to do it.
Our border guards are being shot at by illigals and drug runners.Won't be long til they start killing some.
The situation is so bad that troops should have already been on the borders.
We now have people committing acts of war against the U.S.

The pols in DC and the people who pull the pols strings don't give a damn about "the people".
They have their own agenda and were just in their way.
Their just playing their"game that never ends".

I'd be willing to bet Tancredo had to draw straws with a couple others to see who had to play the part he's playing now. I think their using this to see how much flak they get if they don't deport the kid. If this flies without too bad of a sh%t storm, you know whats next.Wholesale.

Well, that's my rant for the day.

I guess I shouldn't worry. I know the republican pols are going to clean it all up and the democrats are going to stay out of the way and let them do it.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[4Freedom]

"Since when do Americans tolerate acts of war perpetrated by Mexicans or any other nationals against American citizens?"

When it's an election year and there's a bunch of RINOs running (stampeding) for office?

Do I win?

[Paulie]

"Who would ever have thought that he'd ignore the pleas for help from the border patrol, abandoning them to a hopeless situation and possible death, or that he'd ignore the pleas of help from the American citizens who live in those areas and fear stepping outside at night, because they may be shot by armed foreign nationals, smuggling mexicans and drugs?"

This sums up my thoughts on this. I'm sickened by the goings on along the southern border, and furious that we're not only not stopping it, but not making Mexico pay the price for the damage already caused.

[Under the Radar]

And for that reason, millions of Americans will not vote Republican in '04. I will vote third party. Those of us who supported Bush have been made fools of because of his inability to cut the umbilical cord with Mexico.

Amen to that.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Who would ever have thought that he'd ignore the pleas for help from the border patrol, abandoning them to a hopeless situation and possible death, or that he'd ignore the pleas of help from the American citizens who live in those areas and fear stepping outside at night, because they may be shot by armed foreign nationals, smuggling mexicans and drugs?

Your post is worthy of a bump and a repeat reading!

[ET(end tyranny)]

This is about Globalism. I'm pretty sure about that. "Free Trade", the free flow of goods and peoples across boundaries, the "trade of the Americas", a "Pax Americana", and later an Americas styled currency.

The second lat in trilateral? The Amero? Followed by a pacific or Asian grouping with one currency.

Then down the road a few years, why hey, we don't need three currencies. And since there are only 3 currencies we should all just use one currency. So much easier, and so much easier to implement now!

[Marine Inspector]

I'll say it...Bush is a RINO

That would be the rated “G” version of what I was thinking.

[antivenom]

Remember Dashole's UNION he is protecting from Homeland Security???...It is a branch of the same lousey "protected" bunch provinding US the "good for government work" work ethic, endorsed and protected by Colleen Kelly the UNION president!

WE must get Homeland Security...FIRE the lowest of low Federal Union members who end up working the southern borders, and get IQs,work ethic and EQUIPMENT (requiring the IQs) down on the borders and managed by a NO NONSENSE boss who can FIRE the bumbling morons.

The UNIONS are so beholdened to the Democrat party they are too worried to "FIRE UPON" future Democrat party voters spilling over the voters. GOODNESS the same UNION led bunch want to have watering holes in the desert to placate the "illegal familes" here in the USA when MORE family members wander over our borders...the INS and the Border Agents are NOTHING more than an extension of the DNC.

I am tired of people BLAMING Bush or ANY elected official because of the UNIONS' strangle hold on FEDERAL UNION workers. The Democrat's lip lock on the Unions is the setting up a two against one war when GW or anyone has to address the REAL problem on the borders..."Half ass union attitudes in the name of protection...."

REMOVE the UNIONS from the Federal Government NOW!!!

[Marine Inspector]

...the INS and the Border Agents are NOTHING more than an extension of the DNC.

Aren’t you completely uninformed.

[antivenom]

"That has a demoralizing effect on the agents."

Give me a break...how can anyone "demoralize" half ass "good enough for government work" low life Federal unions members...I thought the criteria of hiring a border agent is to find a Federal Union member approved to carry a gun but too damn stupid to find a job anywhere else in the "Federal Gov'ts Circus of Union Memebers Cush Job" market...BAN all UNIONS in the FEDERAL Government NOW!

Let's get old fat ass Colleen Kelly's butt down on the border and have her EXPLAIN what the UNION thinks "ought to be done" in the name of the UNION she represents.

[Marine Inspector]

Give me a break...how can anyone "demoralize" half ass "good enough for government work" low life Federal unions members...I thought the criteria of hiring a border agent is to find a Federal Union member approved to carry a gun but too damn stupid to find a job anywhere else in the "Federal Gov'ts Circus of Union Memebers Cush Job" market...

Now you've moved from “uninformed” to “idiot” stature.

[Marine Inspector]

Let's get old fat ass Colleen Kelly's butt down on the border and have her EXPLAIN what the UNION thinks "ought to be done" in the name of the UNION she represents.

Gee... if it was up to the UNION members, the border would be secure, but George "RINO" Bush wants open borders. This HOMELAND security department is a farce to grab more power. Get a clue.