Posted on 10/06/2002 3:17:37 PM PDT by knighthawk
His Excellency Abdullah Turki has one of the hardest jobs in public relations: arguing the case that Islam, as practised in Saudi Arabia and taught in Saudi-funded mosques around the world, is not as frightening the West thinks it is.
As head of the World Islamic League, he lives in Mecca, works in offices provided by the Saudi government, flies around the world in a private Saudi jet, and yet claims to represent all of Islam, not just the kind practised in Saudi Arabia.
It is an important distinction, especially since the September 11 attacks. Fifteen of the hijackers that day were Saudi citizens, which led many to question how a country so closely allied to America could nurture men so hostile to it.
Fingers pointed to Wahhabism, the kind of Islam practised in Saudi Arabia, inspired by the writings of an 18th century scholar.
Mr Turki is one of the most senior religious figures in Saudi Arabia and his arrival in Paris, on the latest leg of a European trip to meet religious and political leaders, reflects how seriously the country wishes to clean up its image as a land of molly-coddled Muslim medievalists.
Defenders of Wahhabism say it is simply Islam's version of Calvinism, a stern reaction to a religion turned corrupt.
Muhammad bin Abd al-Wahhab rejected the worship of saints and idols and found a home with the forebears of the Saudi royal family. Many Saudis argue that Wahhabism and Islam are synonymous.
Mr Turki says: "There is not Wahhabite Islam and non-Wahhabite. There is just Islam." Sitting down, wearing his djellaba and white head scarf, Mr Turki looks like a pale, fragile sage. But he offers a firm handshake.
"I am here to deepen relations between Muslims and non-Muslims," he says, "to improve understanding of our culture and civilisation.
"After September 11, the Western media spoke a lot about Islam and Muslims and relations began to deteriorate between us. This visit is intended to clarify things, to talk. It is our right to reply."
When I suggest his task will be a tough one as long as Saudi Arabia continues to practise Sharia law and its Imams breathe hatred for Christians and Jews in their mosques, he smiles.
"Those who look objectively at Islam, Orientalists, these people who know Islam are not of this opinion. What percentage of Muslims are extreme like you suggest? A millionth in the history of Islam and Arabia."
Mr Turki insists that the World Islamic League is a non-governmental organisation, an umbrella group for Islamic organisations around the world. The Saudi government merely gives it facilities, he said.
However, he has been accused of the same things as his government - presenting a friendly face to the West while peddling Wahhabism in the mosques and schools.
Mr Turki is unconcerned by such accusations. He insists that ordinary people have very different views from those he reads in the media. "We can work together," he says.
-except for islam, all other religions are forbidden
-woman are not allowed to drive a car
-woman who are unveiled will be beaten up by the religious police
-woman are not allowed to travel without a family member
-woman are not allowed to sit in a restaurant alone
-cutting off bodyparts or stonings as punishment
-beating up woman is okay
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Ive been waiting for this approach to surface...dont remember Calvin urging Christians to convert others by killing them in the thousands including women and children... LOL what a lying sack of shiite this punk is...
NOT.
Defenders of Wahhabism say it is simply Islam's version of Calvinism, a stern reaction to a religion turned corrupt.This is not bloody comforting. Calvin's Geneva was not a nice place to live. And at least Calvin recognized the sovereignty of secular power, the relative autonomy of civil society, a concept alien to the children of the prophet.
This is true. Ordinary people hate them even more than those in the media.
A 10 year old asked her about women being stoned. She said it was just like abusive husbands in the USA.
What she FORGOT to say is that the USA has laws AGAINST abuse BUT IN A MUSLIM STATE, ABUSE IS THE RULE OF LAW for "female" transgressions.
It was disgusting!!
Sac
-except for islam, all other religions are forbidden
-woman are not allowed to drive a car -woman who are unveiled will be beaten up by the religious police
-woman are not allowed to travel without a family member
-woman are not allowed to sit in a restaurant alone
-cutting off bodyparts or stonings as punishment
-beating up woman is okay
Good points regarding the exceptions to the softer side of Islam.....EXCEPT, on the line I accented in red....you forgot to mention that when CUTTING OFF BODY PARTS, some body parts are cut off not for PUNISHMENT but to prevent all women from enjoying sexual gratification.
In Egypt, for example, young girls must have their clitoris's completely CUT OFF. A good way to keep them at home, I guess. Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick.
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Bismillah irRahman irRaheem
In the Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Kind
Assalamu'alaikum,
Mohammad Bin S'aoud & Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab
Saudism & Wahabism
(source: http://www.obm.clara.net/arabia-3.html)<--this has been removed from the Internet!! Keep bumping it here!!
In 1740, Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahhab (his father was a judge) called on Muslims to return to the original form of Islam (in accordance with his understanding) but the scholars of the Islamic state at that time (i.e. of the Ottomani Khilafah) rejected some of his views because they appeared to contradict the divine texts and the views of the classical scholars of the main (Mazaahib) schools of thought in Islam i.e. those of Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'ie and Hanbali. Then he started to abuse the Islamic schools of thought and labeled those who disagreed with him as Murtadd (apostate), or Mushrik (polytheist). Initially he was disciplined by the scholars and was to face prosecution. He then sought protection in the town of Diriyah, which was ruled unlawfully by the rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud, head of Al-A'nnza tribe and a member of the prominent Al-Saud family, an enemy of the Ottomani Khilafah. The partnership between these two men eventually led to the foundation of so-called Saudi Arabia today.
1740-1747, Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahhab was preaching his views and severely criticising and attacking the Ottomani Khilafah. This continuous attack was beautiful music to the ears of the rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud.
In 1747, The Amir Muhammad Bin Saud declared full support and adoption of Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhaabs ideas and views. This led to the formulation of a tribal authority (Imaarah Qabaliyyah) under the political leadership of the rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud and the Spiritual leadership of Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhaab. The Sheikh was calling for and teaching his views i.e. the Wahhabi Mazhab or School of thought, while the rebellious Muhammad Ibn-Saud was ruling and judging with them. (The scholars refer to this alliance as the Wahhabi Movement).
1747-1755, The Wahhabi movement spread its authority under the leadership of the rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud. They raided and controlled many villages while forcing the Wahhabi views. In 1755, British forces tried to occupy Kuwait but failed.
In 1757, the rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud defeated the Amir of Al-Ihsaa city and controlled the Whole of Diriyah.
In 1765, The rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud died; his son Abdul-Aziz succeeded him.
In 1765, Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad, became the pirate leader of Al-Diriyah and head of the A'nnza tribe.
.In 1767, The Wahhabi movement started to move towards controlling Arabia.
In 1786, British forces tried to occupy Kuwait again but failed due to the tactical defending of the army of the Ottomani Khilafah.
In 1787, Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad In a large public gathering chaired by Sheikh Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahaab, formed a new type of inherited authority (Wilayat ul-A'hed) based on the Wahhabi views and declared himself leader of the Muslims (while the true leader was the Khaleef who was in Istanbul). Then the pirate leader Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad appointed his son Saud as the Khalifah after him. Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahaab agreed to this illegitimate pirate authority and passed his illegitimate Fatwa of Jihad against the Ottomani Khilafah.
In 1788, The pirate leader Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad with the military help of the British prepared a huge army of Wahhabis with British forces, attacked Kuwait and occupied it (this was offered as a gift to Britain who had failed many times in this task). The Al-Saud family ruled much of the Arabian Peninsula.
1788-1791, The Army of The pirate leader Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad i.e. the Wahhabi movement attacked most of the Muslims who differed with their views. They waged a war of so-called Jihad against the governors and soldiers of The Islamic State (Ottomani Khilafah). Thereafter they succeeding occupying Medinah, Kuwait, Iraq and part of Damascus ( and thousands of innocent Muslims were killed because they were Shi'a, Hanafi or followers of other Islamic Mazahib: The irony was that those Muslims were labeled as Mushriks whilst most of the forces with the Wahhabi movement were British crusaders!).
In 1792, Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhaab died. His son succeeded him as the Spiritual leader of the Wahhabi movement.
1792-1810, The Wahhabi movement with the help of the British forces controlled many countries up to Damascus. This rise to power alarmed the Ottomani Khilafah which was already facing massive attacks from western and eastern forces in different parts of the world. However, because of the huge conspiracy of the Wahhabi movement and Aal-Saud and their scale of attacks against Islam and Muslims it left the Ottomani Khilafah with no choice but to send forth its armies to contain the influence of the Wahhabi movement and their alliance.
In 1811, The army of the Ottomani Khilafah under the command of the governor of Egypt, Muhammad Ali paasha declared war against Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad and his Wahhabi movement. The governor of Egypt sent armies with his son Tosoun paasha to liberate Medinah.
In 1812, Tosoun paasha defeated the army of Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad and liberated Medinah.
In 1815, The governor of Egypt sent armies under the command of his second son: Ibraheem paasha to liberate Damascus, Iraq and Kuwait.
In 1816, The army of Ibraheem paasha defeated the army of Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad and the Wahhabi movement in Medinah, Iraq and Kuwait and liberated them.
In 1817, The army of Ibraheem paasha chased the soldiers of the Wahhabi movement up to their pirate capital Al-Diriyah.
In April 1818 the army of Ibraheem paasha surrounded the last stronghold of Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad and the Wahhabi movement in Al-Diriyah for the whole summer until the 9th of September 1818 when the Wahhabis surrendered themselves. Ibraheem paasha ordered his soldiers to destroy the whole city of Al-Diriyah and they did it. However the Aal-Saud family and the head of the A'nnza tribe Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad were protected by the British soldiers in Jeddah. Most of the Wahhabis including the son of Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab ran away to Riyadh. The Soldiers of the Islamic state (Ottomani Khilafah) ultimately captured Al-Diriyah, thus ending the first phase of the rebellion of Al-Saud in 1818.
1824-1864, The remaining followers of the Wahhabi movement built themselves up and rose again under the leadership of Abdul-Rahman Bin Abdul-Aziz.
1865-1891, The Wahhabi movement under the leadership of Abdul-Rahman bin Abdul-Aziz tried to get power over all tribes in Riyadh in order to fight the governor (Aal-Rasheed) of The Islamic State (Ottomani Khilafah). They tried to get political power in Riyadh, which was located close to their old stronghold Al-Diriyah. But this uprising caused unrest which led to tribal warfare which lasted for over 25 years and resulted in the governor of the Islamic State (Ottomani Khilafah) Aal-Rasheed resisting this internal uprising while the British and western forces were still hammering against the Ottomani Khilafah..
In 1891, The governor of The Ottomani Khilafah forced Abdul-Rahman and Al-Saud into exile. Al-Saud and the rest of the Wahhabi movement lived on the borders of the desert of the Empty Quarter (Al-Rebi' Al-Khaali) before settling in Kuwait.
1892-1900, Abdul-Rahman died, and his son Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman and the rest of the Wahhabi movement lived in Kuwait.
In 1901, Twenty-one-year-old Abdul Aziz Bin Abdul Rahman Al-Saud left Kuwait, determined to fight along-side the British forces against the Islamic state in order to get power over all of the territory once occupied by his pirate forefathers and to extend his occupation over the holy cities of Makkah and Medinah.
In 1902, The Exiled Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman Al-Saud and his gangsters (the Wahhabi movement) stormed Riyadh and shot and killed the Wali (the governor of the Khilafah:Aal-Rasheed) as another gift for Britain. This event marked the beginning of the formation of the pirate kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
1902-1913, After establishing Riyadh as his headquarters, Abdul Aziz proceeded, over the following decades side to side with the British soldiers to loot and kill the soldiers and supporters of The Ottomani Khilafah and he succeeded in many cities.
In 1914, Britain started to send a stream of agents (including William H. Shakespeare, Harry St. John Philby and Percy Cox) to woo and encourage Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman in her task on the Arabian front. Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman's campaign was one of sabotage and stabbing in the back, it was never face-to-face confrontation.
In 1915, Britain dispatched an agent by the name of William H. Shakespeare as a close advisor to Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman. The soldiers of the Khaleefah killed William alongside some Wahhabi conspirators.
In 1915, Britain dispatched another agent by the name of Harry St. John Philby, who soon appeared in full Arab dress on top of a camel with Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman as a saudi warrior. Philby was called by Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman the "new star of Arab firmament". Philby in return described Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman as the Arabs "man of destiny" however Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman was the arch political sell-out, many times offering to sell himself to the British. He once said to Philby, "If anyone offered me a million pounds I would give him all the concessions he wants".
In December 1915 the Anglo-Saud friendship treaty was concluded. This treaty made the house of Saud an outpost of the British Empire. Britain was given trading privileges and was superintendent of Saudi foreign policy. A guarantee of British military protection and arms supplies ended the Khaleefah's authority in central Arabia.
In 1916, Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman received from the British 1300 guns, 10,000 rupees and 20,000 pieces of gold in cash.
1917-1926, Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman and his organised Wahhabi gangsters in military style and with the help of the British soldiers succeeded in controlling the Whole of Arabia i.e. Najd and Hijaz.
In On 8 January 1926 Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman (Known as Ibn-Saud) was self-proclaimed king of Arabia. King Abdul-Aziz was embroiled in discussions with the British representative, Percy Cox, for the determination of the borders of the new entity. The British Public Records described king Abdul-Aziz's demeaning stature at these meetings "like a naughty schoolboy" in front of Cox. When Cox insisted it was his decision as to the frontiers between Kuwait, "Ibn-Saud almost broke down and pathetically remarked that Sir Percy was like his father and mother who made him and raised him from nothing... and he would surrender half his Kingdom, nay the whole, if Sir Percy ordered. Cox took out a map and pencil and drew a line of the frontier of Arabia". Surely no Muslim can ever read such a statement except with abject shame at the way the sacred sites of Makkah and Medinah and the land of Hijaaz were put in the hands of a family with such debased and dishonorable pedigree.
1926-1932, King Abdul Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman (Ibn-Saud) courted the British unashamedly, showing sublime affection towards Britain's envoys. He offered to put Arabia under their control. For his loyalty to the British crown, like so many other British agents, Ibn Saud was awarded a knighthood (presented to him by his self-proclaimed "father and mother" Percy Cox) and British documents referred to him as "Sir" Abdul Aziz Bin Saud for many years afterwards.
In On September 23, 1932 the self appointed king, Sir Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman replaced the names of Najd and Hijaaz by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and he laid the foundations of the current Pirate state.
In 1953, The pirate king Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman died.
In 1953, Saud the eldest son of Abdul Aziz Succeeded the throne upon his father's death and became king.
In 1957, King Saud made the first trip by a Saudi monarch to the United States.
In 1962, Saudi Arabia by special request of the British government sponsored an international Islamic conference, which fostered the Muslim World League, which has its headquarters in Makkah.
In 1964, King Saud Bin Abdul-Aziz died.
In 1964, Faisal Bin Abdul Aziz became king.
In 1971, King Faisal by special request of the British government was a central force behind the establishment of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (the OIC) in Jeddah.
In 1975, King Faisal Bin Abdul Aziz was killed by his brother Fahd (The current king).
In 1975, Khalid Bin Abdul Aziz became king.
In 1982, King Khalid was poisoned by his brother Fahd (The current king)
In 1982, Fahd became king.
1982-1997, Until today King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz is the pirate ruler of the pirate state of so-called Saudi-Arabia.
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad
You had better read up on the Thirty Years War before you repeat that assertion. The Calvinists were just as bloody as the Lutherans and the Catholics.
... Catholic and Lutheran princes could determine the religion practiced in their territory was maintained, and this privilege was extended to include the Calvinists as well.[SNIP]
Over 300,000 had been killed in battle. Millions of civilians had died of malnutrition and disease, and wandering, undisciplined troops had robbed, burned, and looted almost at will. Most authorities believe that the population of the Empire dropped from about 21,000,000 to 13,500,000 between 1618 and 1648. Even if they exaggerate, the Thirty Years War remains one of the most terrible in history.
The Thirty-Years-War
It takes a real dork to believe in a religion that will cause you to be killed if you deny it or leave it.
That was true of Christianity throughout most of its history. In fact, that was true of most religions thoughout history. Toleration is a modern concept. I'm glad that you believe in it.
...a list of 126 churches that were damaged or destroyed in Indonesia between June 1996 and January 1998.
The nation's attention turned to the rising numbers of church arson when in 1996 over 400 churches burned across the [U.S.].Charles OsgoodNational Church Arson Registry
You'd better call the FBI. They'll want to know.
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Al-Quaeda is a creature and natural outgrowth of Saudi Arabia. The war is not over until the House of Saud falls.
LET'S ROLL!
Remember the comments of Saudi price al-Walid when he visited New York? He called on the US to make a balance in her foreign policy towards the Palestinians and to study the motives and the reasons behind the incidents of September 11, basically saying that we deserved it. Guiliani refused his ten million contribution to the victims’ fund, and rightfully so. Now they say they are our friends? Hockey puck!
A tough job indeed, like selling Chelsea as "a glamorous social butterfly."
The treacherous two faced lying bitch has earned our hatred, and deserves to feel the wrath of a brutal American vengeance.
Semper Fi
Then it wouldn't be Islam anymore. It would be another religion because Islam has another goal.
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